mwolverineforlife

December 2nd, 2010 at 5:38 PM ^

What difference will it make, recruits nowadays only have the recent memories of CU being awful. I don't think anyone can really make a huge difference at Colorado, they'll just continue to be mediocre.

Seth9

December 2nd, 2010 at 5:44 PM ^

Oh wait...

If a program has a good coach and the necessary facilities, then they are capable of consistently putting a strong product on the field. Also, Colorado has 4 division championships and one conference championship over the past decade, so while they've sucked the past several years, it's not like recruits don't have memories of decent to good Colorado teams.

AAB

December 2nd, 2010 at 5:46 PM ^

for not spending money on their football program, to the point that they kept Hawkins around for an additional year because they couldn't afford to pay his buyout.  

Also, it would be really great if we didn't have 16 posts about Jim Harbaugh in a thread about Colorado's new coach (who is not Jim Harbaugh). 

Seth9

December 2nd, 2010 at 6:09 PM ^

The original reasoning was that programs that have sucked recently cannot recruit well because recruits will not remember the school being good. Harbaugh is the most obvious counter-example to this idea. Another obvious example, though it makes me cringe to say it, is Mark Dantonio. You can make similar arguments for Nick Saban (also cringeworthy), Mike Leach, Jim Leavitt, Glen Mason, Paul Johnson, Rich Rodriguez (at WVU), etc.

And with regard to Colorado's spending habits, it should be noted that they will have more money to spend in a few years because they're joining the Pac 10. So yeah, I would argue that Embree's ceiling is rather higher than perpetual mediocrity if he turns out to be a good coach.

Derek

December 2nd, 2010 at 5:42 PM ^

Don't schools have to have an actual tradition to do the "staying in the family" thing? Although I guess Colorado was at least decent for half the seasons that Embree was a coach with the team.

SFBlue

December 2nd, 2010 at 5:48 PM ^

Troy Calhoun and Les Miles were apparently top choices.  Telling that the AF guy was not interested.  McCartney with Embree/Bienemy as top assistants would have been pretty cool.  Have to pull for the few coaches who remain who were once on Bo's staff...

Don

December 2nd, 2010 at 6:11 PM ^

"It was never about me doing it again," McCartney said. "It was about setting the table for a black man to come in (as head coach). And he (athletic director Mike Bohn) hired one. Now, give him a chance."

I know absolutely nothing about Embree other than what I just read in that article, but I'm curious what his reaction would be to McCartney seemingly characterizing it as an affirmative action hire with no reference to his capabilities as a head coach.

This is Michigan

December 2nd, 2010 at 7:19 PM ^

He obviously doesn't know about the city ordinance that prohibits loud sounds to be played on campus. Thus, he cannot simulate crowd noise. This really puts CU at a disadvantage. No coach would want to coach there.

 

ps...I actually heard ESPN analysts make this argument. However, in their defense, I believe they were trying to point out how CU doesn't put much effort/funcing into the football program.