According to deadspin.com and other sources next week will be Conan's last week hosting the Tonight Show.
http://deadspin.com/5448422/former-late-night-talk-show-writer-reveals-i...
My thoughts on this are that Conan is getting screwed over by both Leno and NBC, and Conan will end up hosting a show on FOX. Your thoughts?
dick move...
Very true, I definitely do
Very true, I definitely do miss the masturbating bear.
Dont forget
Do not forget that NBC kind of put the screws to Leno as well, pushing him out while he was still #1 in the ratings, and not exactly asking to be bumped to the lesser-desired time slot.
From my understanding, several years ago when Conan's contract was up with NBC and he was considering going to another network, part of the deal that NBC struck with him was that in 2009, he would be given the Tonight Show gig, otherwise he would be free to leave NBC and would also be owed either 40 or 50 million dollars in severance (I have heard both figures).
It seems as if the NBC execs were betting that Leno would ready to hang it up by 2009, but that didn't happen. It should also be made clear that while Leno was gracious about giving up the Tonight Show spot, he was not necessarily happy about it.
I would hate to see Leno (or Conan for that matter) bashed over this situation. To me, it was the execs at NBC bungling the situation that caused the trainwreck that is currently going on. In '05 they made a deal with Conan that painted them into a corner, and in '09 when that corner started getting tight, they got greedy and wanted to save the millions they would owe Conan if they didn't give him the Tonight Show, and they made what appears to be a mistake by taking Leno off the Tonight Show in the first place.
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"You woud hate to see Leno bashed over this?"
Why is that?
Listen to his peers in comedy and what they think of him.
While Leno plays nice on camera and while shaking hands at the start of his show he has always been a coniving, backstabbing, self-serving dick. Look at how he got The Tonight Show over Dave (who Carson wanted to be his successor) in the first place.
A leopard doesn't change his spots...
"... never forget that Ohio is still a four-letter word."
-Bob Ufer
Do you know something we
Do you know something we don't? Judging Leno based on what his 'peers' say doesn't reveal too much truth.
Really?
So his peers that have known and worked with him for 20 or more years wouldn't know the guy and what he is like? Interesting take.
Secondly, as I mentioned, take a look at the way Leno got the gig in the first place. Does that seem like a guy who has a ton of backbone or scruples?
"... never forget that Ohio is still a four-letter word."
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Well, I'm not sure I trust
Well, I'm not sure I trust what his peers say, especially his rivals. They could have motives of their own at stake here. After all, this is the entertainment industry, how much backbone/scruples do any of these hosts really have?
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Thanks Big Boutros, this is a great example!
Patton's excellent thoughts mirror many of the other comedians that I have heard.
"... never forget that Ohio is still a four-letter word."
-Bob Ufer
Boutros To Replace Leno?
Rumor that Big Boutros will replece Leno. Contract guarantees that he can appear shirtless.
What Does George Lopez Have to Say?
Leno and O'Brien have been using their soapboxes. Letterman, Kimmel, and even O'Donnell have chirped in. George Lopez has a late night talk show, too. Has anyone heard any comment from Lopez? Or Fallon, Daly, or Ferguson for that matter?
*IF* that is true
then you vastly underestimate the execs at NBC. That is one heck of an effort to ratchet up the 10 slot, while putting Conan in a position to succeed AND saving 50 mill. Worst case scenario, it doesn't work out, and this happens. So they held onto Conan for another 4 or 5 years and owe nada.
When did your mother let you out of the basement Mr. Rosenberg?
Class Statement on Conan's Part
I thought the statement on Conan's part that he didn't want to contribute to the Tonight Show's downfall and that he didn't want to damage what Jimmy Fallon had going on showed class on his part. Even if his bottom line is "Tonight Show at 11:30 PM or the highway", it sounds better than the lack of such statement coming from Leno. It reminds me of Letterman shutting down negotiations with ABC in deference to Nightline.
All I know is that the
All I know is that the monologues have been a lot funnier this past week.
Yep,
And they'll only get better as he gets closer to leaving. The first half hour of last night was the funniest 30 minutes of Conan I've ever seen.
Now if he could have just
Now if he could have just generated such ratings without NBC breathing on him, there wouldn't be an issue. But I do think they should have given him more time. Though if it didn't work out, they would have lost a lot of revenue. And I don't think his ratings would have gone up too much unless they shifted the lineup around.
Conan has been funnier this
Conan has been funnier this week. I like The Tonight Show with Conan, but I think his 12:30 show was better. Wherever he lands next, I hope it is more like his old show.
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I'd like to hear...
I'd like to hear what Triumph the Insult Comic Dog has to say on this subject...other than the obvious "NBC Executives and Jay Leno are fabulous people.........For me to poop on!"
Seriously though, Leno is about as funny as a brick wall. And that's being generous.
one of
THE funniest bits ever done on t.v.
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That is one of the greatest
That is one of the greatest late night bits of all time. Please tell me I'm not the only one who remembers the masturbating bear from the very early Conan days.
Of course you're not!
Of course you're not! Absolutely incredible.
I knew there would be someone
I knew there would be someone else. That was comic gold.
Kenny Bania would agree
I was wondering if anyone
I was wondering if anyone would get the Seinfeld reference.
Son of a bitch. He was still
Son of a bitch. He was still getting into his rhythm as the Tonight Show host. And this week has been pure comedy gold. I honestly wouldn't be that surprised if it was all fake and being used to up the ratings, but it doesn't seem that way. Hopefully he takes the Cone-Zone to a station that appreciates him.
Howard stern mentioned today
Howard stern mentioned today that Conan was going on Letterman next week to talk shit about NBC and Leno. Would be must see TV.
Right now I think telling the
Right now I think telling the truth qualifies as talking shit. Dude's getting dumped on.
I hope he takes it to FX or
I hope he takes it to FX or something so he can be as wild as I'd like him to be.
Galileo was also chastised.
Wild?
I think he'd have to go to either HBO or Showtime to have a "no holds barred" show.
To really amp
the ratings, he should go "no holes barred" show.
When did your mother let you out of the basement Mr. Rosenberg?
I don't see him as a guy that
I don't see him as a guy that wants to be dropping f-bombs and having orgies on his show. I don't think being on NBC at 12:30 cramped his style at all. Obviously there's no way I could know this, but that's my impression.
NBC will try to use ratings
NBC will try to use ratings as justification but:
1) Leno's ratings were awful for at least a year after he took over for Carson; Letterman routinely beat him in the ratings. It took a few years before Leno passed Letterman.
2) Conan has won the 18-45 demographic nine out of the last 11 weeks in his time slot. He's winning the most lucrative demographic for advertising dollars.
Screw NBC and screw Leno (how he got the Tonight Show was rotten -- there's a reason Carson refused to appear on Leno's show). I'd be tempted to get tickets to Leno's shows when he comes back after the Olympics to boo and chant for Conan. I hope a lot of people in fact do that.
What I learned is that Jerry
What I learned is that Jerry Seinfeld is a dick.
He came out earlier inthe week telling Conan to man up and not complain and be real and all that. Seemed unseemly when you consider his own show didn't come out of the ratings gate blazing. Now it comes out NBC is planning to fill the 10 slot with a show of his. How self-serving and two-faced can you get?
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I fired off an e-mail to Jeff
I fired off an e-mail to Jeff Zucker (NBC's CEO and the douchebag behind this mess)telling him what an unconscionable asshat he is, and then followed it with an e-mail to Comcast's CEO (Zucker's soon to be boss) and urged that Zucker be fired as soon as Comcast completes the purchase of NBC.
thanks
thank you for you truly are the michigan difference
Does it matter that much?
Does it matter that much? Both are grown men in the entertainment business, and both will land on their feet. I wouldn't mind watching Leno/Conan on Fox or NBC or whatever. Sending hate mail to NBC defending person X and bashing X is pointless because you don't know what the real deal is. Few of us do.
Conan is prob the best out
Conan is prob the best out there.
"Don't stop Believin"
Conan is prob the best out
Conan is prob the best out there.
"Don't stop Believin"
Conan is prob the best out
Conan is prob the best out there.
"Don't stop Believin"
I didn't believe your first two posts
but the third time is the charm.
You are right - Conan is prob the best out there.
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I didn't believe your first two posts
but the third time is the charm.
You are right - Conan is prob the best out there
Ann Arbor is a classy broad.
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IMO Jay is the better stand
IMO Jay is the better stand up comic, the man just knows how to tell jokes. Conan is a great improv comic and engages the audience well. I hope something works out well. Conan should step back and not make a rash decision to leave. I'm sure there's a way both can be appeased.
Jay was a great stand up you are right.
He was one of the best in his prime, but he has let that amazing skill slide and has simply become the milquetoast talk show host that he is today.
"... never forget that Ohio is still a four-letter word."
-Bob Ufer
I like Craig Ferguson better
I like Craig Ferguson better then anyone right now. Never been a big fan of Leno.
I routinely +1 myself in memory of em0, may he RIP
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Ferguson is funny in a
Ferguson is funny in a different way, but funny nonetheless. Dude needs his own band though.
That's the one thing that's
That's the one thing that's always bothered me about his show -- he's funny, but it's way too solo.
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Damn you NBC
That shit-pile of a network should be ashamed of itself, but only slightly less ashamed than it should be for signing a contract with Notre Dame (kidding). NBC was probably the best-regarded network in the 90s. Karma has placed it a distant 3rd to ABC and CBS (or perhaps 4th behind Fox as well). Conan was probably the only good thing left about the network, and they promoted him only to completely castrate his show. Brokaw and Carson aren't walking through that door! Cactus chef playing We Didn't Start the Fire on the flute isn't walking through that door!
It's not even about Conan's lower ratings. If it was, then come on, he's only been on the job for 7 months--that's half Lane Kiffin's tenure! Leno is supposed to be "one of the nicest guys in TV" but if that were true he wouldn't be ruining Conan's career. It's Letterman getting screwed all over again, and now we're going to have to suffer through another shitty HBO movie. Have fun with Brian "Sleepy" Williams and Carson "No Talent" Daly. May NBC be the biggest loser of them all.
Ann Arbor is a classy broad.
"Get off my plane!" - Ricky Stanzi, Air Force One 2
NBC is learning
That you can't have your cake and eat it too.
They tried to keep one of the two (Conan/Leno) from leaving and competing directly with their show, like Letterman has, and have failed to keep both sides happy.
I have my own reasons to hate NBC (The way they treated my favorite show Scrubs makes me disgusted), but this recent turn of events does not surprise me because this is how NBC acts.
I honestly would love it if both of them left and NBC would have nothing. They deserve it after their treatment of both their main players.
A wise man speaks because he has something to say; a fool because he has to say something. - Plato
Next week is going to be crazy
The last few nights have made for some really interesting television with the whole "fuck everything, we're going out and bringing you with us assholes" atmosphere.
by NBC again... first they screw over letterman and now conan... there was always something fishy about NBC putting leno back on at 10pm... but in all honesty conans humor was always going to tough tell sell for that time slot...
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