I'VE HAD JUST ABOUT ENOUGH OF YOU SONNY
fire dumars
in case you were holding out hope you shouldn't have been
Orson on the Iron Bowl.
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to how bad it can get. It's sometimes still amazing to me that young people (recruits) have no memory of Tennessee being good. South Carolina has pretty much taken their place in terms of relevance in the SEC. I imagine that makes UT fans vomit
I think South Carolina has started to produce/recruit players on a level comparable to what Tennessee used to (John Henderson, Albert Haynesworth, Peyton Manning, Jamal Lewis, etc.), but Fulmer had those teams playing on a national championship-caliber level. Spurrier hasn't reached that point at South Carolina; he hasn't been able to reproduce what he had at Florida, especially on offense.
Yeah I was going to include something to that effect but got lazy. I agree UT was up higher than what SC has yet been able to achieve. But that only deepens the impact of how far they've fallen
Add in that their guaranteed crossover game is Alabama, which puts them at a competitive disadvantage with every team in the SEC East, save perhaps Florida, which is tied to LSU.
Poor CMU & Cincinnati. seems like they conduct coaching searches more than any other schools.
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I think Jones will do okay at Cincinnati. Not great, but okay.
More importantly, though, I hope this hire helps Michigan's case with Derrick Green.
He already did okay at Cincinnati...not great, but okay.
See what I did there?
Touche.
Those double "N" schools always throw me for a loop.
This was my first thought. You can tell that MGoBlog is rubbing off on you when your first concern for every question is the effect on Michigan recruiting. I wondered about Green immediately. Hope it trends him in a goblueish direction.
that is originally from our state. Go Butch, represent little ole' Saugatuck, MI!!!
But he's a damn catholic Yankee!!!! How's this possible?
The scary part is, this guy isn't too far off. Rebel flags and the distinct impression that the civil war isn't quite over hangs in the air around here. There were a number asking if Fulmer was still available.
Guys I'm shocked, absolutely shocked, that Gruden wasn't named the HC. The Tennessee faithful were so sure that he was coming. What happened!?
obvious /s
I think he's the next head coach of the Eagles. I just think the timing will be right - no one has mentioned it. I'm going with Gruden to the Eagles next year.
I just think gruden is going to stay out of coaching until a perfect and very well paying job comes around. He makes 4.3 million a year for his tv job, which has way less stress and is still probably enjoyable for him.
They wanted Gruden as bad as we wanted Harbaugh...
They settled for Jones like we "settled" for Hoke...
...except Jones has never beaten a ranked team, is from the North, has never recruited SEC country, and could quite possibly cause some Vol fans to off themselves.
Good luck with that.
They wanted Gruden as bad a we wanted Harbaugh...
However the next part is completely wrong. Butch Jones was like #9 on their list. This is more similar to us and Rich Rod than it is us and Hoke.
They were open with their interested in Gruden, Strong, Briles, Petersen, Patterson and Gundy...then there were a few other names that didn't go public that also told them no.
This was baaad for them. Personally, I always thought they should've been after Kirby Smart because I knew they weren't getting anyone else other than MAYBE Briles or Patterson.
This is completely different from Hoke, we always had Hoke on the radar and when Harbaugh didn't come - Hoke was still there. Butch Jones wasn't anywhere NEAR UT's short list at the beginning of this process. Hell, he probably wasn't on the "long list" either.
Nobody actually knows for sure how the Michigan search played out in 2010. DB kept it under wraps pretty good. Can you definitively say how many candidates he went to after Harbaugh before he settled on Hoke? Or if he even went to Harbaugh?
Nobody knows.
The bottom line is our fanbase was underwhelmed by Hoke similar to how UT is reacting to Jones. Except Jones has no ties to nor experience with Tennessee.
was not even there until RRs 3rd year. The only person whom might know how that search went is Bill Martin and I have doubts about that.
Now we'll see if Butch is any good. Still not sold on the guy. He landed at CMU after Kelly woke it up. Landed at Cinci... after Kelly woke it up.
This is the first time he's walking in to a dumpster fire. Now we'll see what he's made of. Seeing that Peyton will be retiring from the NFL in 3 ~ 4 years, that's about how long Butch has.
...should have hired Payton Manning to be their head coach. They absolutely love that guy down there.
As soon as his playing career is over.
He'll have some great assistant coaches and they'll officially be back because of the buzz which will help recruiting.
No way Peyton gets anything less than the #3 rated pocket passer in the country whenever he wants him.
Why would he.................the only thing he could do is tarnish his golden image. He has nothing to gain.
I could see the headlines now................"25 years later and Peyton still can't beat Florida"
From the RCMB, I kid you not: "Tressel to DC if Narduzzi leaves? Charbaneau says him or possibly Barnett..."
The Tressel they're talking about is Dick Tressel (I think it's Dick) which is Jim's brother and currently on their defensive staff.
Mike Tressel genius, i kid you not
Damn, got the first name wrong. Top of my head fails me again.
A MAC/Big East coach at UT? They just aren't serious about football in that conference, are they?
Nothing short of a C-130 could ferry Mark Mangino without a high probability of crashing.
There's no "of" in would've. It's would have, dammit.
Unlike Kiffin and Dooley, he has years of experience as a HC at the D1 level. They'll be back sooner than a lot of people think. Too much history there.
false, per UT fans, they hired jon gruden who is just dressing up like butch jones.
Tennessee has some really good offensive talent. If they had any defense, they could have went 8-4 or 9-3. Only the Alabama and Florida game were blowouts, and even the Florida game they were in it until the fourth. Lost to UGA by 7, USCe by 3, Mizzou by 3, Miss. State by 10 in games they put up a lot of points.
Although they lost to Vandy by 23, LOL.
Good luck Butch.
Anyone not fully in the "Tennessee is a traditional power and top job" camp is insane or 14 years old. They are a power on hard times and that is all. They, as much as I don't care for them, are a program that CFB would prefer to be good and not a complete tire fire like they are right now. Probably 2nd-3rd or so when you take the schools in the SEC on an all time basis.
The upshot? Neither this guy nor Malzahn seem like they have a great shot to land Green. We have to be firmly in the drivers seat now.
Hopefully Narduzzi takes the Cincinnati job. Say what you will about him, but he's done an impressive job in forming a very good defense out of some moderate talent. Without him, Dantonio is just Jim Tressel without good players.
Wasn't dantonio the dc of osu when they won the national title? I think the narduzzi loss would hurt them but I think dantonio being a defensive would certainly cushion the blow.
Depends on if he wants to be a HC or not, I suppose. Some coordinators want to be head coaches and dream of an NFL gig some day, others just want to be coordinators in the NCAA. Since he stayed at MSU this year I often wonder if he was an actual HC candidate at Cincy last time around, or if fans were just throwing his name out there.
it was mcgwire who said that.
That was McGwire.
Is there a program that has fallen farther than Tennessee? For all the program hiccups teams like FSU, USC, Texas, and Michigan have had; they come nowhere near the dumpster fire that is Tennessee.
I'd feel bad for them except....well, I digress, I don't feel bad for them at all. Their struggles have been pretty hilarious to witness.
I think it's possible to suggest that USC's 1991-2001 decade is equivalent, particularly the latter half from 1996-2001 where their records were 6-6, 6-5, 8-5, 6-6, 5-7, 6-6, and losing every year to both Notre Dame and UCLA.
Now it doesn't seem as bad, since we know what followed, but that's a pretty significant collapse for a program of USC's stature with its built in advantages.
But USC is in Cali, where D1 recruits are exceeded only by crushing state debt. Coming back was relatively easy.
Tenn has great facilities, tradition, and fan support, and they can add the right coach. But it may be difficult to ever get back to where they were without that recruiting base.
I don't disagree that USC has considerable advantages, but it's certainly a comparable collapse.
I think Tennessee's recruiting disadvantages might be a bit overblown. If we think of a map without state boundaries, Tennessee's well situated to recruit from the talent rich upcountry south. Knoxville is 3 hours from Atlanta, Greenville, and Charlotte. What hurts them is not so much their weak recruiting area but all the other programs that compete for players within it. USC's advantage is as much the lack of an alternate "home team" as its location itself.
They think this is basically on par with hiring Hoke. They'll calm down in a little bit. I think this is a pretty good hire for them.
Fullmer cost us half of the NC in 1997 because he was whining about Woodson beating his boy Peyton for the Heisman.
