OT-Clock Management Rant

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March 19th, 2011 at 9:00 PM
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Ziff72
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OT-Clock Management Rant

I can't watch one more game right now without letting off some steam.   This has happened multiple times so far but most recently SDS and Temple are tied with 1 minute remaining.  The team with the ball holds it until there is about 35 seconds and jacks up a shot.  

You have to shoot with about 50-55 seconds left so you can get a 2 for 1.  I understand if you can't find a decent shot, but to just hold it so the other team essentially has the winning shot is moronic.

I just don't get it.

 

Also, can anyone explain how for 39 minutes teams run offense to get the best shot then in the last minute teams just hold onto the ball and then go one on one.  If that was the most efficient offense why don't they do it for the 1st 39 minutes?

 

 

 

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March 19th, 2011 at 9:02 PM | I can't believe that either (Score:1)
Muttley
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Sincerely,

Les Miles

 

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March 19th, 2011 at 9:10 PM | No Timeouts (Score:1)
ILL_Legel
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Did anyone else catch the SDSU assistant come off the bench when they called their last time and talk to each player individually to remind them they were out of TO's?  Looks like Fisher put in a new process.

March 19th, 2011 at 9:16 PM | Hey! (Score:1)
ggoodness56
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Too soon

March 19th, 2011 at 9:32 PM | Yes (Score:1)
Ziff72
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That staff was all over it.  They chased every guy down and looked them in the eye...NO TIMEOUTS!!!

March 19th, 2011 at 10:02 PM | That ASST was whats-his-face (Score:1)
Serth
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That ASST was whats-his-face who assisted during that very same game.

March 20th, 2011 at 12:53 AM | posted from iPhone (Score:1)
The Barwis Effect
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Dutcher?

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March 19th, 2011 at 9:17 PM | If only, (Score:1)
maizeman3
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:'(

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March 19th, 2011 at 9:26 PM | Anyone see the end of Butler (Score:1)
yoopergoblue
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Anyone see the end of Butler and Pitt?  Stupid fould by Mack of Butler with 1.4 left and they're up 70-69.  Gilbert Brown of Pitt makes the first and misses the second and then Pitt fouls Matt Howard and he makes the free  throw to win it.  A very stupid play by Butler and an even more stupid one by Pitt when they could have just taken overtime.

"They will meet a dastardly fate here for that! There isn't a Michigan Man who wouldn't like go out and scalp those Buckeyes right now."

March 19th, 2011 at 9:28 PM | That was hysterical.  It's (Score:1)
BlueVoix
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That was hysterical.  It's going to be a fun night to be out in Pittsburgh.

March 19th, 2011 at 9:28 PM | INSANEEEE I loved it.  My (Score:1)
Serth
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INSANEEEE

I loved it.  My bracket is dead anyway, might as well get an upset.

March 19th, 2011 at 9:29 PM | posted from iPhone (Score:1)
bronxblue
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The refs were right with the Mack call, but that Pitt call seemed a little weak. Would preferred OT, but still a crazy ending.

March 19th, 2011 at 9:47 PM | I thought both had to be (Score:1)
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I thought both had to be called. It was obvious in both instances and if they were let go, there'd be more controversy.

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March 20th, 2011 at 12:46 PM | I'm sure Butler would have (Score:1)
bryemye
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I'm sure Butler would have been forever lamenting that Howard didn't have his clean look at at 85 footer.

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March 19th, 2011 at 9:30 PM | Robinson, the Pitt player who (Score:1)
Wolverine Incognito
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Robinson, the Pitt player who fouled, is a failure at life.

Homer? Who is Homer? My name is Wolverine Incognito.

March 19th, 2011 at 9:58 PM | Wolverine Incognito (Score:1)
Blazefire
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the poster who insulted some college kids playing as hard and as tough as they can, is a failure at life.

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March 19th, 2011 at 9:56 PM | Dumb play, dumber coaching (Score:1)
TFish
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If I had known Jamie Dixon could so massively blow a game like that at the end, I would never have picked them to win it all...

1.4 seconds left, no timeouts for either team. Your shooter just made his first free throw to tie the game. Now, one of two things can happen:

1) He makes the 2nd and Butler has 1.4 seconds to get off a halfcourt shot or Laettner heave

2) He misses, and Butler has to do the same thing but can't position themselves during an inbound and have to do it on the fly--> they aren't getting off a shot closer than halfcourt

 

Regardless of which one happens, why oh WHY do you have your players try to go for that rebound when you know Butler is in the double bonus? None of them should have been on that side of the court. Dixon had more than enough time to gather his team and explain all these things while the refs were checking the time on the first foul. Just plain dumb.

March 19th, 2011 at 10:35 PM | Jamie Dixon is the anti-JB (Score:1)
DutchWolverine
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Story of Dixon's career. His teams always come in with a lot of hype and great regular seasons. Then they lose to a lower seed. They always disappoint in the tourney.

Keep the change ya filthy animal.

March 20th, 2011 at 8:16 AM | Rebound (Score:1)
Isaac Newton
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Of course you go for the rebound in that situation.  You're at your end of the court:  play for the win, not OT.  The problem was reaching for the rebound; it wasn't there, Robinson should have let it go.

March 20th, 2011 at 12:48 PM | As a coach I think you tell (Score:1)
bryemye
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As a coach I think you tell the kid to stand there and literally not move. Helps the shooter psychologically but takes away the chance for a rebound.

The fact is the kid choked on that freethrow.

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March 19th, 2011 at 9:32 PM | another clock management (Score:1)
CB2009
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another clock management thing that has been bugging me during these ncaa's is when a team tied/down 1 will wait to take the final shot until there are only 2 seconds or so left. obviously you don't want to give the other team the ball back with too much time, but it has seemed like there have been multiple games where the offense didn't have enough time for a putback to potentially win a game.

 

March 19th, 2011 at 9:38 PM | Buffalo Wild Wings definately (Score:1)
edventure008
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Buffalo Wild Wings definately played a part in the ending of the Butler and Pitt game.

March 19th, 2011 at 10:19 PM | Hahaha I literally was (Score:1)
mgoblue No.1
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Hahaha I literally was reading your comment when the Buffalo Wild Wing's commercial came  on the tv.

March 19th, 2011 at 11:03 PM | That's exactly what a bar (Score:1)
aiglick
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That's exactly what a bar patron said only it wasn't at bdubs.

Here's hoping for a bright future. This team does try hard and I will continue to support them.

March 19th, 2011 at 9:52 PM | Temple (Score:1)
Mitch Cumstein
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Way too much holding the ball for them.  If its the last possession thats one thing, but they were just doing it for the hell of it, not even running productive offense.  I agree with your rant.

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March 20th, 2011 at 8:19 AM | Holding the Ball (Score:1)
Isaac Newton
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Can't be certain, but I think this was Temple's strategy.  By holding the ball like that they can control the pace of the game.  If things get going up and down, SDSU has a significant advantage.

March 20th, 2011 at 8:52 AM | I agree (Score:1)
Mitch Cumstein
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It was definitely part of their strategy, but I don't see why.  Its one thing to use clock running offense, but late in the game they were using clock not running anything.  Unless it is the last possession I see no reason for this.  They weren't getting good shots is the point.  If you start your offense with 10 sec left in the shot clock and get a crappy shot, why not start 10 seconds earlier and try to get a better look?  It doesn't make sense.

"A flute with no holes is not a flute. A donut with no hole is a danish"

March 19th, 2011 at 9:59 PM | I'm not a big believer in the (Score:1)
jmblue
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I'm not a big believer in the "two for one."  It usually means taking a rushed, crappy shot, followed by the other team using up so much time that the second possession is very short and results in another rushed shot.  In the final minute of the game, take the best shot possible.  If it doesn't leave you extra time, so be it.  

March 19th, 2011 at 10:12 PM | I would normally agree (Score:1)
Mitch Cumstein
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I would normally agree with this, but for the specific situation of today's game, Temple was taking rushed, crappy shots after waiting 28 sec every possession.  Might as well do it without waiting.

"A flute with no holes is not a flute. A donut with no hole is a danish"

March 19th, 2011 at 10:21 PM | Yeah, the end of the (Score:1)
JamieH
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Yeah, the end of the Pitt-Butler game was a coaching failure.  With only 1 second left, Pitt should have pulled all its guys off the line to avoid that.  The shooter should have been tasked to cover the inbounds guy if he made it, but everyone else should have been back to avoid a stupid foul.  I thought it was ticky-tack, but there is no question he fouled him.

March 19th, 2011 at 10:48 PM | The player (Score:1)
Michigan4Life
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needs to be smart and not go for the ball. Howard is simply trying to secure the ball, much less a shot to win the game. There's almost no chance of Howard making a full court heave shot. Just let it go and go to OT.  It's on the player, not the coach IMO.

March 20th, 2011 at 12:49 PM | The coach put the kid in a (Score:1)
bryemye
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The coach put the kid in a position where that could have happened and very little good could have happened. You are just about never going to get a tip on a rebound.

Obviously the kid needs to not reach but there's no reason for him to be there in the first place.

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