A conservative collumnist (not taking any political stance myself, merely stating his) sat in for Rush Limbaugh today, on his radio show, and his this to say, about it, and Detroit itself.
Good to see some things never change....
A conservative collumnist (not taking any political stance myself, merely stating his) sat in for Rush Limbaugh today, on his radio show, and his this to say, about it, and Detroit itself.
Good to see some things never change....
taters gonna tate
Please, no jailbait pictures on MGoBlog. It demeans us all. Plus, some of us like browsing at work, and don't want bosses/co-workers walking buy to think we are creepers.
Sorry, should have added NSFW to NSFH.
So hard to look away. Resistance is futile.
At least we know the commercial is legit now.
Also, Mark Steyn is a stain.
He's Canadian, so his opinion has zero influence.
I have never been happier that we charge Canadians a dollar extra to buy our magazines.
If he's Canadian, then his two (canadian) cents are only worth $.019 US. Boom!
Politics aside, he's a joke.
Canadian dollar is slightly above par.
(As an American living in Toronto I try to pay attention to these things.)
Trying to inject facts into a thread on the internets?
Just asking, but who the hell are you, anyway?
Steyn's a xenophobic idiot; no need to match his ignorance.
@DennisBlundon: That's pretty funny, well played.
I have dual citizenship with Canada.
how can you have dual citizenship with a country and that country's hat?
I wouldn't get too sensitive when it comes to Mark Steyn. Yahoo rated it as one of the best commercials.
I thought he was a Brit.
I thought it was a great commercial.
Chrysler wins. If the commercial attracted enough attention to spark stuff like this, then Chrysler's goal is achieved. The more controversial, the higher the value of their ad. Well played, Chrysler.
Fuck that piece of shit. He hasn't even been to Detroit in the last 20 years. For all the shock and awe that book with the pictures of the city in ruins gave us it also painted a pretty poor picture of the city as a whole. Detroit is not a city in rubble as the shock jock claims. Fuck him and fuck anybody else who thinks the so called doom of "fly-over country" is a laughing matter. These clowns and their act are really tired. If he wants to say any of that shit on the streets of Detroit he'll be swallowing his front teeth, as it should be.
This is the first time in a long time I agree with you +1, even if it doesn't register.
Not many reasons for anyone to visit Detroit in the last 20 years bro.
Did you miss the Super Bowl, MLB All-Star Game, NHL Stanley Cup Finals, Frozen Four, Final Four?
Right, once a decade sporting events, that's what I'm talking about.
What about Greektown, Coney Island, the Tigers games in the summer, the Casinos, Fox Theatre, Lions games (insert Lions joke here), the Downtown area is 10X better than it was a few years ago. There is actually nightlife now.
The arts in Detroit are very much alive as well.
Won't someone please think of the arts!?!
Go to the Detroit Jazz festival every year. Also have been to the last few winter blasts. Saw the Heidelberg project this year. Detroit is not perfect but I make several trips up there every year and always have a good time.
at outstanding venues every week. the kids talk about that DEMF thingy all the damn time too. Detroit is fun as hell.
Don't forget the World Series.
And beating the Lakers in the NBA Finals as well as 6 straight Eastern Conference Finals appearances.
actually i did miss the frozen four, i was too depressed about the outcome of the regional chapionship game to even use my ticket or watch it on tv, so fucking depressed after that
Yep, I boycotted that thing myself.
Spoken like someone who hasn't been to Detroit in 20 years.
Nah I've been to a couple Tigers games the last few years.
Cool, bro. I take great pride in where I'm from. Some people don't feel the same way I guess.
Not to be an ass, but are you really from Detroit? While I was at Michigan, I didn't meet many people who actually grew up in Detroit. Now, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that... for all intents and purposes, I can see why folks identify with Detroit. But the fact remains, the city certainly has its troubles.
Has it lost its pride, soul, character? Not at all. One of the best things I ever did at Michigan was an Alternative Weekend at a Boys and Girls club in Detroit. I grew up in a bad neighborhood in NYC, and even that didn't quite compare to what I experienced/saw in Detroit. Those who had nothing (in terms of wealth) were very rich at heart.
Those who had nothing (in terms of wealth) were very rich at heart.
Probably the same people that refuse to relocate so the city can downsize appropriately and try to regrow itself. What does "rich at heart" mean anyway? Being stubborn doesn't always make you awesome, sometimes it makes you an idiot.
Have you ever lived in poverty? Where can some of these people go? They do what they know best... and that's survive. I'm usually a fan of some of your comments, but that's kind of a douchey thing to say, man. Rich at heart, meaning, good-hearted, selfless Americans doing what they can to make an honest living. And even if they don't have money, they still live life with a smile on their face, with the hope that one day, things will turn around for them, and their community.
Of course, the city itself is impoverished. The city is trying to offer incentives to people living in near-abandoned neighborhoods to relocate to still-healthy neighborhoods, so it doesn't have to provide services to such a large geographical area. For the good of the city, I hope they take it.
Yeah, that comment did cross the line. I suppose the whole thing did though. Kicking Detroit when it's down is kind of pathetic on my part.
"Probably the same people that refuse to relocate so the city can downsize appropriately and try to regrow itself."
I'm certainly not going to sign on to a lot of what you're saying (but I do give you credit for standing up for your arguments), but this one has a lot of merit. This is something that HAS TO happen for Detroit to turn the corner. That, and successfully complete the effort to attract diversified industry to the city. I know that so many of you absolutely hate Pittsburgh, but it is a very good example of this (both on the moving on to greener pastures and diversification of industry points).
Yeah, I was shocked at how many people from the greater 'burbs could count the number of times they had been into the city itself on their hands. And then, put them down entirely when asked if they had ever been beyond the Tigers parking lot or parking garage from the Joe. I think the unhealthy disconnect of Detroit from Greater Detroit, on the part of both sides, is one of the things thats driven one of the wealthiest and most productive metro areas into the state it is today.
Speak for yourself. I'm downtown pretty much every weekend. Despite what people like you think, there are a lot of good things going on in Detroit.
watch your tone, son. You're making this alum and Detroit resident a bit pissed.
but to correct your opinions:
- vacancy rate in detroit is at 30 percent and falling
- shithole is relative. i've lived in some of the world's greatest cities, currently call Corktown my home, and couldn't be happier to be here.
What's it like living so close to Slow's BBQ? If I lived there my blood would probably be 50% bbq sauce by now
It's probably pretty awesome watching yuppies flitter in and out of there and never being able to get a table despite living right next to it.
I only go to Slows to Go now; I use it as a caterer for when I have people over for a small gathering.
They refer to it as "Cleveland".
I have nothing to add but... can I be the one to knock his teeth down his throat??!
itself calls out this guy.
It calls out the people who write about Detroit's downfall and decay, yet haven't visited in 20 years, if ever. It calls out those who judge the city based on news headlines and don't actually see, first hand, the good that is coming from parts of the city.
Detroit's not perfect, but it is slowly crawling back. It's tough to do when the industry, upon which you were built, fell apart.
Haters gonna hate, talkers gonna talk.
the guy sounds like a complete idiot...
These are so awesome
What in the world would make you think that this is remotely appropriate content for the Board? There is a "no politics" rule for a reason...
... I agree potical talk has no place on the board. But I have nothing against complaining about some huge D-bag on the board.
I understand your point (and the point of others who have posted here), but really, this subject was a thinly veiled political shot. What Steyn said is something that a lot of people all over the country believe, and said, when they saw the commercial and since. This ad produced bipartisian criticism (easy to find, by the way) and, with that being the case, I have an extremely difficult time believing that the OP didn't have a political motive in posting this article (i.e. who said it and in what forum), as opposed to (or, at the very least, in conjunction with) some of the other ads that were far more scathing in their criticism. If I'm wrong, I'll gladly apologize, though.
I should've have been more informed about the no politics rule on the board, it's a good rule, and I respect it. I'm still really new to all of this, so I do apologize, if I ofended anyone.
No worries. I think the subject makes for a good discussion. I think you would have hit a homerun with it i you'd just provided a few more articles from across the political spectrum that were on point. That way it wouldn't have come across as political.
The guy quoted isn't wrong because he's a conservative; he's wrong because he's a douchebag. But you can find even nastier criticism of the ad in the Washington Post, and I think in one of the Philly papers (not political, and assuredly not conservative).
But since this is the one brought up- it's ok to believe to the Bailouts or not; a case can be made well for either. But the dude needs to be consistent. If he's coming down on Automakers, he better be slamming Wall Street firms that got way more money just as hard. At least this $9 million is going to try to sell stuff to make more money back. Not sure where all the money went to the Fannie Mae's of the world.
But I'm bias...I thought the ad was bloody brilliant.
Exactly. I agree with you 100%.
Yes, the Philly guy who blasted it was Aaron Proctor. They were reading his column on the radio this morning. In addition to insulting Detroit, he called Eminem "washed up" with which the DJs were having a field day.
They made another point to the haters who were bitching about the expense, and whether this is a good use of "taxpayer money": so a company is supposed to build new cars, but then not advertise them? It would be better stewardhsip, perhaps, to take out a few classified ads in the Penny Press? Or here's a revolutionary idea: promote a car during the superbowl when the audience is staggering and people don't tune out during the commercials.
There are always pundits who make their names off hating what other people like. I'll try to remember to must some admiration for this guy's courage, individualism and discernment.
To be fair, the OP noted he wasn't debating the politics behind the message but simply the fact that a national commercial about Detroit and the state was being bashed. Yeah, maybe a bit more political than necessary, but I think it has some merit as a discussion point during a slow week.
yeah, the OP didnt have any political agenda by posting this, all of us made it political. I say if a post ends up being political by a good amount of posters then you shouldnt point out the boards no politics stance like a jackass know-it-all, you should just let the discussion wear itself out, besides this is something people around here feel strongly about
"yeah, the OP didnt have any political agenda by posting this, all of us made it political."
Uhhh... yeah, he did. I suppose you missed his post about five up from yours...
"I say if a post ends up being political by a good amount of posters then you shouldnt point out the boards no politics stance like a jackass know-it-all, you should just let the discussion wear itself out"
Frankly, I don't think anyone cares what your stance on how the "no politics" rule should be enforced. Brian and the mods have made it quite clear that no politics means no politics and not no politics, but if the thread turns into politics then OK politics.
"besides this is something people around here feel strongly about"
Obviously they do. I don't recall saying otherwise.
People are upset because you forgot to show your badge. Here ya go.
I appreciate the humor, that was funny! Now, that said, you know as well as I do that a big part of this particular forum is that the Board self-polices itself. If you have a problem with what I've said here, I fully expect to see this exact same post from you every time someone here acts on that self-policing concept (hint: it happens every single day, so you'll probably be posting a lot).
I know, i've been around a while. I just thought this was taking the citing of MGoRules a bit far. We all know the rules and when we don't, one re-iterating them should suffice. You really had to stretch the politics rule on this one. Not personal, just thought the joke fit.
It definitely was funny. I laughed.
That commercial was great on so many levels and for so many reasons.
I am *shcoked* that a conservative radio voice would blame the fall of a city on the "liberalism" that he claims it embodies.
This is a non-issue beyond the fact that it put Chrysler, and to a greater extent Detroit, into the national discussion for something other than a mayor's impeachment or some other event that makes the city and the region look horrible.
Personally, loved the ad. I think it means way more to Michiganders than everyone else in the country, but so be it. We had to hear about why Texas rocks for 2 weeks, even though they apparently cannot handle even the faintest bit of snowfall and Dallas/FTW was a Critter-fritter even without the snow.
I may not have the best analysis of defense, or the spread 'n shred, or recruiting, the list goes on. However, there are some things I can speak on with authority, and one of those things is advertising.
By all accounts, this ad was the biggest resounding success of the entire Super Bowl. Chrysler put itself in a position to fail miserably, which was actually what many expected. They bought two whole minutes of airtime during a game that normally relegates commercial breaks to a minute and a half. If you make this kind of bold move (that IS bold in the ad world), you better be a) right, b) better than other brands in your category, and c) bringing something new to the table. And I just don't mean a new product.
Chrysler nailed all three on every possible level. I am not originally from the Detroit Metro area, and I admit I got a little misty. Whoever the copywriter was on this spot deserves a huge, huge raise.
As for the comments, Limbaugh and proxy can kiss my ass. Portraying Detroit in a positive light was by default NOT what the ad was doing, and the comments on the show prove that they just flat-out didn't get it. This wasn't about painting a city in a positive light. This was about IDENTITY. Good or bad. In sickness and in health. This was municipal patriotism.
And with the comment of "spending 9 million dollars of taxpayer money" on the ad (because Chrysler took a bailout). This is the kind of ad that saves a company. It's the kind of thing that changes perceptions about a brand. This kind of piece, if given the right coverage, can not just change the perception of the Chrysler brand, it can change the way people think about how to repair Detroit.
This commercial is pure genius, and shows how a damaged city, no matter how downtrodden, can begin to save itself through perseverance, dignity, and hard fucking work.
Amen. They have people talking about Chrysler today after the superbowl. I honestly had forgotten they existed.
You contradicted yourself, big time.
Portraying Detroit in a positive light was by default NOT what the ad was doing.... This wasn't about painting a city in a positive light.
This commercial...shows how a damaged city, no matter how downtrodden, can begin to save itself through perseverance, dignity, and hard fucking work.
That's a positive light to me. And yes, it was about painting Detroit positively. Why? Because there are a lot of people who think: Detroit is a shitty town, therefore they must produce shitty cars. That's the perception that the ad tackles head-on.
That's not contradictory in my view. Showing how a city can BEGIN to get un-shitty isn't portraying it in a positive light. It's offering progress toward a solution.
The shitty city/shitty car thing I think is valid. But I think this is less about how Detroit is a good city. The city admits its faults by explaining they've been roughed up. It shows some abandoned buildings. It's much more stark than "this is a great city." It's much more realistic. To me, it was, "Our city may be downtrodden, but we want to get up off the mat."
And painting Chrysler/the people of Detroit (rather than the city itself) in the positive light, because again - perseverance, dignity, hard fucking work.
I thought the commercial was really cool, but even the coolest commercial ever won't convince me to buy a Chrysler.
Look at the recruiting board and how many kids we target from Detroit High Schools. I don't think anyone on this website wants to be the one to dis the entire city, and therefore the residents (and high schools) of that city. Mayor Bing is trying hard to fight corruption (along with Kim Worthy) and the city could really have a bright future. It is important for all of the state of Michigan that Detroit does well. Don't be a hater.
Come on, man. You are really stretching here. My statement that I wouldn't buy a Chrysler has nothing to do with me disliking Detroit, its schools, or the state of Michigan. It just means I don't like Chrysler automobiles. Maybe my perception will change, and the next time I buy a car I'll consider some Chrysler models. But, I don't have to be a fan of their vehicles in order to be a fan of Detroit and hoping the city turns around.
I hope Chrysler does well, but that doesn't mean I'll like their cars or perceive them as high-quality automobiles that will last a long time.
Being from a Ford family I probably wouldn't either, but the 200 didn't look that bad. Especially at its price point its a pretty looking model and I'd at least test drive it and see how it handled.
If Detroit's so great, why don't you move there? There are some nice things in Detroit, but it's maybe the most depressing city in America.
What about Columbus, Ohio?
Or Dayton, OH. Driving through there now makes my sould die a little.
where you're actually from and how much time you've spent in every city in America?
Anyway, I'm 99% sure this thread is nothing more than people who don't realize people rag on Detroit because there are better options. Just like people rag on Sparty because there are better options. Or the elitists on this board always talk about how Michigan academics are the big difference.
People are getting all butt hurt about the media ragging on Detroit, but raise your hand if you'd go raise a family there. And that's no one.
That's not what people are getting upset about. It is the fact that for the length of a two minute commercial the families that are there in Detroit right now got to puff out their chest and feel some pride even if for just that moment. Now some asshole tried to take that from them and for none other than politics.
If some asshole can take it away with a couple of words, they don't have anything worth being proud about.
I never said take it away, I said that is why they are upset. You are coming off like a bit of smug prick in this thread, just from reading your responses to others. Did you buy a Chrysler that was a lemon or do you just really hate Detroit?
I'm indifferent to Detroit. I just don't understand the love affair by a bunch of suburban kids for a city that's a disaster by all objective metrics.
It isn't a blank slate.
It is a slate full of decay, urban blight, and unsustainable costs.
I was born in Detroit and hope that the city can be restored to greatness, but it is far from it. The fact remains that there aren't many (any?) new compelling reasons for a business to be located there. State taxes are among the highest in the nation and it is nearly impossible for an industrial concern to compete vs. a right-to-work state.
So you are posting more than anyone else on this thread because you are just curious about other people's sentiments? Boy, I sure didn't get that from your tone in the last half hour. Jesus, man.
I'm not really taking a strong position other than douchebaggish off-the-cuff sarcasm out of boredom. But I do abhor Chrysler and the 3 bailouts (80's, Cerebrus, TARP) it's received. At what point does the concept of paying luxury prices for Dodges finally get shot in the head and put to rest?
Just stick to your guns, man. You're off the cuff douchebagginess has had as much to do with ripping Detroit a new one as your dislike of Chrysler. The Cass Corridor comment you made comes to mind. You're acting like nobody here has the fucking right to defend Detroit unless we've been shot in an abandoned warehouse. You're acting like I should not care about the city because I grew up in Troy and live in Royal Oak (I didn't really pick the first one and I happen to work near Royal Oak).
In summary, don't post a bunch of douchy comments, and then back out of it by saying you were bored and sarcastic. The frequency of your posting on this subject speaks for itself. If you're going to be outspoken, at least have the balls to stick with it.
if you'll both take a quick look at my profile signature, i believe you both owe me a +1, k thnx
Not really backing out of it. I was bored, was a dick, ripped Detroit. Fin.
Possibly the biggest pussy move I have seen on this board. Say something stupid and realize it is stupid after numerous attempts to back it up. Accept defeat, call yourself a dick, and hope everyone just forgets that you were being a prick. Congrats Shock, you are a douche.
Your preferred alternative is that I continue to be a dick and not apologize when I realize I'm wrong?
my friend told me i was doing this http://xkcd.com/386/ when he saw this thread. i went for a run.
fun thread though.
Dude, get a life. If your only way to curve your boredom is to sit online and rip on Detroit anonymously, then I feel sorry for you. I love how the narrator of the commercial made a comment about ridiculous comments from people that have never even visited the city. Paints you perfect.
Those suburban kids with a "love affair" for Detroit are just the people who should be interested in the city. They are the people who can help revitalize the city by moving down there and pumping money into the local economy. Midtown Detroit near Wayne State is a perfect example of that
Alright I'm semi-tired of the whole "suburbanites who support Detroit are hypocrites b/c they wouldn't live there" stuff. It's clear you're not from the metro-Detroit area. The suburbanites you speak of don't view Detroit as just a city, it's a metropolitan area. The metro includes the adjacent cities around it and these cities are connected to the main city in many, many ways both currently and historically.
When Detroit goes through changes and difficulties, all of these areas are effected. You think the automotive industry was just located in the city of Detroit? Factories even in Ford's early years of development were sprawled outside in what we call the suburbs of Metro Detroit. Everyone in these surrounding cities, not just those living within the borders of Detroit city were incredibly connected to the main city and the industries and culture that defined the main city. The criticism of soft suburbanites and their supposed unfounded love for Detroit city ignores the complexity of the region and the Metro area.
Because if we aren't teaching suburban kids to give a shit about life outside their ZIP code, then we're in big trouble as a country IMO.
Problems in Detroit (and elsewhere) are going to be solved because a lot of people want to see them solved, those with roots and the city and those from elsewhere. Some of the people making a difference are going to be from Bloomfield Hills and Ann Arbor and even Peoria. Can we stop making people produce a Detroit birth certificate before allowing them to feel connected to the place?
Given the choice, I wouldn't raise a family in most large cities including Chicago and NY (I would rather live in the 'burbs of these places, just like I'd rather live in the 'burbs of Metro Detroit). You wouldn't rather live in Upper East Side Manhattan rather than some areas of Washington Heights? Is it much different than living in areas like Grosse Pointe over the Cass Corridor simply b/c we're talking about Detroit?
That almost sounds like the old 'well if you love it so much why dont you marry it?' I know several people who live in Detroit and enjoy it. Obviously there are some issues, but there are sizable chunks of the city that are being slowly revitalized (cue up the gentrification rebuttals) by a number of people who truly care.
Let's not forget that NYC was a shit-hole for quite some time and pretty much every city has its blights. Sure, Detroit may have more issues than most cities, but just give it a rest already.
Maybe a little unfair, but the "you" was collective, not specific to the OP and if you're not among the poorest of the poor, which almost no one on here is, you can move to Detroit if you want to.
What Rush Limbaughs racist ass has to say?
Hmm, well, apparently you didn't realize that he wasn't the one saying it...
are for losers.
I didn't read it. I try and stay away from anything this man does.. I'll keep that in mind for future refrence on when to open my mouth lol thank you.
It's reprehensible that his producer (Bo Snerdley) and one of his closest friends for the last 20 years is black....oh wait.
You can have minority friends and still be racist... see Rush's attempt at sad humor in mocking the Chinese President Hu Jintao during his recent meetings with President Obama.
You didn't think Team America was funny at all.
I love this guy and I always listen to this guy whenever he guest hosts a radio program. He is really funny and entertaining, but he always over exaggerates and uses extreme sarcasm to be funny. He really was just saying the model city to bring us back from a recession isn't a city where half the population has left, houses are boarded up and crime is such a problem. Don't get me wrong though I love the city and it's charm. But he is like a half comedian half political commentator.
I have lived in Detroit, Phoenix, Sacramento and Portland Oregon in last 20 years - where do you think Detroit ranks in those four? I love the people and all but come on. Also going back and listening to the whole spiel.....the guy was commenting more on the fact that the Chrysler commercial was paid for with taxpayer bailout money and Chrysler is asking for more. Second in the ten minutes I listened he said Detroit did it to itself. Point is I understand having pride - but........
No one is trying to say that Detroit is a beacon on a hill. Obviously, Detroit has a long way to go. That's no reason to write it off though. There are some positive signs in Detroit these days from Campus Martius to Comerica Park to the new riverfront, and also the casinos. This commercial is about revitalization and promise for the future. Chrysler is finally rebranding itself with some edge and people get all cranky. Was/is there anything Chrysler and the city of Detroit could do that would be perceived positively or should they just have aired 30 seconds of broken down LeBarons?
Gotta pay money to make money, and Chrysler nailed it. This is the most talked-about ad of the Superbowl the entire nation over.
Even idiot Valenti got it right today, whoever that is.
"This is the most talked-about ad of the Superbowl the entire nation over."
That's not always a good thing. It can be talked about all day long, but all that does is build brand identification. I might be going out on a limb with this, but I don't think that Chrysler's problem is that people don't know about Chrysler. At most, the best it really could have hoped for is to counteract some of the negative press that Chrysler has received in the past couple of years. Maybe it did that, maybe it didn't. I know just as many people who liked the commercial, as hated the commercial. The bottom line for this commercial is that, while cool, all it really does is make people who are inclined to like Detroit, like Detroit. I'd be shocked if it really made many people at all more inclined to buy a Chrysler product, especially the particular one advertised in that commercial.
In a way, yes, it's nothing more but an opportunity for those who identify with the city to reaffirm their beliefs. Isn't that the nature of any politically-charged campaign? Merely supporting the city of Detroit has political overtones the nation over, because of how conservatives view the city in the grand scheme of things. No, it's not going to cure the hundreds and hundreds of problems this city has. That's not the point, though.
Sure, it's a corporate gesture, but damn it, I want some Detroit rah rah fist pumping in my life. By and large, it seems that people around the country are reacting in a positive way. Sure, there are people who will react negatively, but that's just the nature of politics. Why is Detroit such a far left lightning rod? To me, Detroit is the underdog in a generic boxing film.
I'm obviously biased, but I was Detroit born and I want to have some pride in my home. That's all. This is somewhat beer-influenced and somewhat just hometown rah-rah influenced. I want to feel good and this commercial did it for me.
"In a way, yes, it's nothing more but an opportunity for those who identify with the city to reaffirm their beliefs. sn't that the nature of any politically-charged campaign? Merely supporting the city of Detroit has political overtones the nation over, because of how conservatives view the city in the grand scheme of things."
I agree, but that's not a partisan issue. There is plenty of negative belief on both sides of the political aisle.
While I know exactly what you're talking about, I think you're missing the bigger overall question that should be raised by this ad. I think most everyone realizes that it's a tip of the hat to Chrysler's past, but the question is whether that is relevant to Chrysler's future, considering that it is fairly clear that Chrysler continues to move away from Detroit and hasn't given much of an indication to the contrary.
Double post. Sorry!
Is it really the most talked about ad from the super bowl? I mean, I think we know everyone in Michigan is talking about it. All of us on here have some connection to the state, so it seems likely we'd be hearing about it. I have, but on the flip side, I have no idea how much national play it's getting. The articles today would seem to argue it is, but I wonder if it's a one and done type of thing.
It might be the "most talked about", but most every review I've seen has the VW commercial as the best auto commercial.
I think your point about local connection and local buzz is right on the money. For example, where I live no one is talking about the Chrysler commercial, but everyone is talking about the BMW commercial.
Really? I thought the VW commercial was so stupid. The automatic starter trick was pretty good about 20 years ago.
"Is it really the most talked about ad from the Super Bowl?"
Yes. It is. It got a 5 minute segment at the end of NBC Nightly News tonight. This was a national story.
What some people fail to realize *cough*ShockFX*cough* is that the commercial was about being proud from where you came from, and being proud of Detroit. I have no idea where people are taking away the "pick up your family and move to Detroit" aspect. In no way, shape, or form was that even discussed in the commercial. It was about being strong through the shit storm this city and state have been through over the past few years. To take anything else away from the commercial is asinine.
No matter what happens in my life, I will always be proud to say I was born and raised in Michigan.
Calling all mods, calling all mods, send this thread to Bolivia. The path it's going down already is an ugly one.
Nothing will ever beat the downfall that was the Haiti donations thread.
We take shots from ppl who have NO IDEA what we are, what we are about, and what it means to be from Detroit. At this point, I don't care anymore. I get it, everyone hates Detroit and Michigan. They can all piss off because this is MY HOME and I'm damn sure okay with that.
Of course they're going to bash Detroit. While the city stands for hard work and blue collar ethics, politically, it stands for liberalism and economic downturn. I don't think you have to be a political blowhard to see why someone sitting in for Rush Limbaugh would bash the commercial.
Glad to see the commercial has provoked controversy. I grew up in a Ford family, and my father doesn't care much for the commercial because of that (and he can't relate to a white rapper in his late thirties), but it struck a chord with me. I've been saying for years how the residents of this state need to have some goddamn pride in their home. Even if you hate it, it's still home. I've met some denizens of Texas, and California, and other places in my time, and they don't hesitate to tell you how great their homestate is. Someone else saying it on national TV (even if it was in a commercial) just means the world to me.
This is Michigan, for god's sake. This entire state is a microcosm of the country on the whole. Be proud.
"While the city stands for hard work and blue collar ethics, politically, it stands for liberalism and economic downturn. I don't think you have to be a political blowhard to see why someone sitting in for Rush Limbaugh would bash the commercial."
This is where I think people are missing part of the "controversy" of this ad. It's political, but it's not partisan. Like I said in one of my other posts, the most scathing review of this ad was written by someone very on the left. If it was just the same ol' bashing of Detroit and equating its troubles with one particular political ideology, that'd be one thing, but that isn't where the totality of the criticism of this lies.
Or try really hard...
Stop by the Bucharest Grill, a 5 minute walk from Comerica Park. Best potato salad and chicken shawarma I have ever had, and a pretty neat bar.
This is OT but I don't suggest going to Detroit for shawarma when East Dearborn is 10 minutes away. C'MON MAN!
But ya, Bucharest is aaight overall.
I worked downtown for 5 years and had a girlfriend that lived in Dearborn....I have had plenty of shawarmas and I would take a Bucharest shawarma every day of the week and twice on Sundays. Don't even think about breathing on anyone afterwards though.
Hahaha truth on the breathing.
On shawarma: Fair enough. :) I guess I just have a bias against non-authentic Middle Eastern eats....although it IS a delicious corruption of the real deal. Bonus: There's unfortunately 0.0 good shawarma places in Dearborn that have alcohol so Bucharest wins there.
Mark Steyn was (and remains) a columnist with Canada's conservative magazine Maclean's. He is hardly influential in Canada and doesn't move the meter up here. However, he seems to have created something of a following with Limbaugh and Hannity et al in the US following his America Alone book (rant) being published.
Anyway, he's moved to New Hampshire FWIW; I suspect because nobody up here gave a rat's ass about him.
Those who didn't just don't get it.
I don't believe that's an accruate statement.
I'm inclined to agree with you. I've got friends in the ad game that are less than impressed with the execution based on the budget.
We aren't all like this Steyn guy.
1) Liked the commercial. Thought it was a great spot, and its been recognized by most folks commenting on commercials. Mission accomplished for Chrysler.
2) Most of the folks trashing the ad, on both sides of the aisle, seem to be trashing Chrysler more than the ad. If you don't care for Chrysler, fine. But don't criticize the ad for that reason. I had a Volkswagon and hated it, but the Darth Vader VW ad was hilarious.
3) As the name suggests, I live in the DC area. Have since I graduated in 1993. The city has changed a ton in that time. Detroit can come back, relegating it to the dustbin of history because of its past and current problems isn't right. Hope that Mayor Bing can make the necessary changes to bring it back.
Take it down already.
I thought the Chrysler commercial had a positive message - this is a scrappy, resourceful little burgh that has been "to hell and back" economically and the place is still here, still working, still creating. I think that speaks volumes about Metro Detroit and its people - good volumes, at that.
The ad was great b/c it focused on the city...not on the Chrysler 200. The Chrysler 200 is a reskined Sebring, which may have been one of the suckiest cars Chrysler has ever produced. They should of highlighted the new 300 because the 200 won't be around too long. I give Chrysler credit for updating a really terrible car and making it decent w/ no time and no development money. However, the 200 will be replaced by a rebadged Fiat product within two years.
It's a different car in the same class.
It is not a different car. Still the same platform, it is a Sebring underneath. They re-configured the suspension, put a bit of new sheet metal on it and upgraded the interior, then changed the name. The Sebring was a disaster. Going from the Sebring to the 200 is a step up, but you can only polish the turd so much. They will have a new car in a few years to replace the 200 and it will be a Fiat.
Bottom line - Fiat is calling the shots at Chrysler. Not Americans, but Italians. The commercial was a commercial for a city, not a car. Last I checked, Auburn Hills is 33 miles form Detroit. I'm glad they did an ad to lift up Detroit, but I'm not sure it'll help them sell more 200s.
You're right, totally the same car but with a different interior, different exterior, different engine options, different lighting, different suspension, and different body mounts.
But outside of that, totally the same car.
Didn't you try the "fascist" angle once in this thread and negged pretty solidly for it?
Also, by using the term "fascist" here (repeatedly), in regard to the article in the initial post of this thread, I'd suggest that maybe you don't exactly know what the word you are using actually means.
and welcome to MGoBlog.
Please wipe your feet and check your politics at the door.
Regardless of whether negging/plussing actually work, you are being negged because no one wants to hear your views on talkings heads or news networks, conservative or liberal.
You think Limbaugh is a facist, right, we get it. Let's be done with it.
1. Liked the commercial...still not going to buy a Chrysler.
2. Being in Toledo, I hope the economies of Detroit and Cleveland improve because that helps my city.
3. Haters going to hate!
East Coaster here. Part of Detroit's problem is the rest of the state. The worst things I ever heard about the city were from middle-aged suburban types in SE Michigan, who state that they never, ever go downtown. I grew up in Jersey, and even though everone talked crap about NYC and Philly (this was the 80s) people still went to the city for dinner, culture, etc.
There are many reasons for this, but I think that a big one that is underrated is the lack of a rail network. In college I rarely went to the D. I'm sure that would have been different if there was a cheap train to the stadiums and bars. I'm hopeful that the new light rail line and some commuter trains will really improve the city.
"Part of Detroit's problem is the rest of the state. The worst things I ever heard about the city were from middle-aged suburban types in SE Michigan, who state that they never, ever go downtown."
I really hope you meant to say that "Part of Detroit's problem is the rest of the southeastern part of the state", because if you really meant the whole state, the rest of what you said really doesn't make sense. This is speaking in broad generalities, of course, but a substantial number of people on the western side of the state and most of the people in the northern part of the state, especially the Upper Peninsula don't identify with Detroit at all (and by extension don't have any reason to go there or any interested in doing so. Although, even if you did mean the southeastern part of the state, I'm pretty sure most everyone who lives there would disagree with you completely on that, as evidenced by several comments in this thread.
Yup. Sure you can find people who don't go to the city, but you can also find people who are passionately devoted to the Detroit Symphony, the DIA, the Detroit Opera Theater, the Lions, the Tigers... then you've got concert venues, the theatre stuff, the science center. casinos. Lots of people head into the city on a regular basis for culture, entertainment, and recreation even if they neither live nor work there.
U-M has a center there and initiatives like The Detroit Project are helping funnel U-M student energies and outreach to the city.
Better transportation would help, no doubt.
There's lots of stuff at work here and in the commercial.
I like and respect that Eminem is from Detroit, proud of it, and trying to do something to help.
I don't care for Chrysler, the Stratus, the 200 or the multiple times the company has been bailed out.
I thought the commercial was decent. I think "Imported from Detroit" is a stupid comment. My immediate, outloud reaction was, "Well it is a demilitarized zone, but not yet a foreign country. What is that supposed to mean?" The comment that "Detroit has done more for this country than this country has done for Detroit" may be fair. The end in the Fox Theater (a beautiful, historic landmark) was cool.
Despite being born in Detroit and hoping for a return to prosperity, I don't see it happening. Just saying that we want Detroit to be back isn't going to make it happen. Steyn's (sp?) comments may have been inflammatory, but aren't off the mark. Detroit is the epicenter of all the things wrong with this state. Some of these are:
As others have pointed out, Chrysler, the recipient of numerous bailouts, claiming that not enough has been done for them is a bit ridiculous.
I didn't like "Imported from Detroit" either. The commercial grew on me after I watched a second time, but that line at the end was really weird. I was like, so now Detroit is part of Canada? I guess those bastards in Windsor managed to find a way to take over.
"Put a dick in their mouth, so I guess it's 'fuck what they say'"
I guess this sums both sides up pretty well. (The title is misleading, read the article.)
I still think it's possible to disconnect the spot from Detroit and wonder if Chrysler really needed to spend almost $9 million on this. If Chrysler's goal was to pump up Detroit, great, but you could have done that without Eminem and like, how the hell did the rest of that cost that much? It was just shots of the city and the car.
If Chrysler is trying to sell the 200 (which you think would be the goal of an introductory spot), I don't know how a commercial pumping up Detroit, saying, "Detroit isn't like any other city and we don't take shit from anyone," is going to play in Chicago and LA, much less Kansas.
"how the hell did the rest of that cost that much."
Uhhh, it aired during the superbowl.
Edit: I give up, the html sux on this shit.
should be kissing Detroit's ass, because without its industrial production capability. there is an excellent chance the Allies would have lost World War II.
+1i for your signature line.
+2i if you can figure out what i stands for.
I've seen several sources that all state the US sent about 351,000 trucks to Stalin's USSR during WW2. This gave the USSR far more mechanized logistics than the Germans and freed their relocated Ural factories up to crank out all those T-34s, JS-2s, and artillery pieces that ripped the guts out of Hitler's war machine.
Michigan's natural resources and fighting men were also instrumental during the Civil War. George Custer and Michigan cavalry dominated JEB Stuart and his men during Gettysburg and these actions deprived Lee of valuable intelligence about Union forces. Toward the end of the fight Custer's unit guarded the Union rear against further CSA cavalry incursions.