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January 24th, 2013 at 12:01 AM
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OT - Chelsea Soccer's Eden Hazard kicks ball boy

I know this is pretty OT, but I thought we might all enjoy a little debate about it. If you haven't seen this yet, take a watch below:

In the above video, Chelsea star Eden Hazard decides that the proper response to a kid's fumbling (gamesmanship? Does it really matter?), is to give him a swift kick in the ribs. I thought I would check in to see what you all think about this. A few points for discussion:

1 - How do european soccer fans' responses to this compare to US sports fans' responses to players on field activities? I notice a lot of commenters beneath that video are berating the boy for falling on the ball, basically defending Hazard's kick.

2 - In that vein, what was the boy doing there? Some say he was trying to kill time to hasten the end of the game, towards whatever ends. Others say Hazard pushed him over and he was just discombobulated on top of the ball after he fell.

3 - Is a red card enough for this kind of behavior? The boy was not a player in the game nor a part of either team. Whether you think the boy was simply clumsy or intentionally trying to mess with time in the game, do you think a red card handles it, or should there be something more severe?

4 - How does this differ from, say, a streaker trying to get into the game, and getting clocked by a linebacker or something? When those guys get hit, do you feel they deserve it?

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January 24th, 2013 at 12:07 AM
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Well I have thought about it since seeing it...

Certainly the kid doesn't deserve to get "kicked", though I am skeptical of how much he was "kicked"... that said. He tried to stall the game up, by doing so he put himself in the action... That Cal trombone player took one in the kisser because he wandered onto the field. If this kid didn't lay on the ball, we wouldn't be having this discussion. From what I have read both sides have apologized and they met in the locker room afterwards as well.

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January 24th, 2013 at 3:18 AM
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for the record, it was a Stanford trombone player...

and he deserved it... :)

 

 

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January 24th, 2013 at 12:15 AM
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F that. That dude needs an

F that. That dude needs an ass whipping. Refs, fans, chain gang etc, are off limits no matter what. Athletes no this. It's hard to tell but it does appear he gives him a shove.

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January 24th, 2013 at 12:22 AM
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This

This is why I love hockey. That asshole would still be bleeding if he had done this during a hockey game.

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January 24th, 2013 at 12:57 AM
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My first thought was...

Match Penalty, but you're almost certainly right about this as well. Also, yes Blazefire; I don't know if this is my hockey background or what, but all sports should have a rule equivalent to a match penalty for attempt to injure (Gholston helmet twist, anyone?) or misconduct against officials, fans and deliberate disruptions to the game from a coach*:

  • Significant in-game disadvantage (major penalty in hockey [5mins of penalty kill])
  • No communication with team until review by league administration (max 30 days)
  • Maximum penalty is a lifetime ban, minimum is time served (major + suspension day[s])

*Coaches are handled differently (due to the difference in infraction), but the gist is the same in that you do not want this penalty, at all.

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January 24th, 2013 at 12:16 AM
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Further evidence shows that

Further evidence shows that the kid was being a little shit, but that still doesn't justify kicking him:

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January 24th, 2013 at 12:45 AM
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Ehh

The kid being a little shit is actually debateable. I have fallen on a soccer ball like that before and it can knock the wind out of you. The Chelsea fuck may have accidentally knocked him to the ground and the kid clearly lands on the ball. Whether it was his intent to waste time or not is debateable. It's possible, but debateable.

What is not debateable, is that the soccer douche canoe should've been fucking mauled by everyone. Even if I was on his team I would've knocked him out and probably rearranged his face while he was KO'd.

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January 24th, 2013 at 1:22 AM
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Kid wasn't supposed to be on field

Should not have been 'kicked' but definitely completely stalling. If he was just 'clumsy' then he should be fired because he is not capable of doing the easiest job ever.

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January 24th, 2013 at 12:10 PM
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From his employer's

From his employer's perspective, he was doing an excellent job of helping tick a few extra seconds off the clock to secure the win.

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January 24th, 2013 at 9:31 AM
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What is not debateable, is

What is not debateable, is that the soccer douche canoe should've been fucking mauled by everyone. Even if I was on his team I would've knocked him out and probably rearranged his face while he was KO'd.

No, you wouldn't have, Internet tough guy.

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January 24th, 2013 at 6:47 PM
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Ok

Don't throw stones in glass houses, Internet Overlord.

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January 24th, 2013 at 4:22 PM
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Not to excuse the kick....

I certainly think the red card was warranted, but after watching the replay a couple of times I was of the impression the kick was directed at the ball, not the kid. It looked to me that he tried to kick the ball out from under the kid and missed. It was also said following the game that the kid was milking it and he admitted he was barely touched.

Again, I am not trying to excuse Hazard (I hate Chelsea and anything bad that happens to them is good in my books), but it looked like it wasn't exactly an attempt to injure the kid, just release the ball. 

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January 24th, 2013 at 12:18 AM
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Ouch!

Hazard is one mean guy. Feel sorry for the kid. No matter if the kid was stalling you don't kick him to get the ball. Why they have referees on the field.

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January 24th, 2013 at 12:21 AM
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That kid had no business

That kid had no business being on the pitch. If the ball is not over the sign, you let the players get it. PERIOD. The kid put himself in the game for no reason and made it worse by diving over the ball. I have no sympathy for that kid.

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January 24th, 2013 at 12:42 AM
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The kid was a ball boy so it

The kid was a ball boy so it was his job to get the ball.

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January 24th, 2013 at 1:06 AM
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You missed the point of his

You missed the point of his comment.  In the video you can see boards around the field, usually when a ball bounce off the boards the players just grab it.  Also the kid is cleary intentionally stalling and bragged about it on his twitter.  The kid is a little shit, doesn't mean what hazard did was smart and he will get punished but I don't feel bad for the kid either.

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January 24th, 2013 at 1:19 AM
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Watched the video from other angle

Kick was unnecessary, but ball boy should be fired. Not gamesmanship. That is cheating and messing with the game.

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January 24th, 2013 at 2:05 AM
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Yeah, I guess I did.  My

Yeah, I guess I did.  My apologies.  The kid was certainly being a little shit but obviously it doesn't excuse Hazard for doing that.

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January 24th, 2013 at 1:06 AM
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Are you some kind of damn

Are you some kind of damn moron?  

He went to get the ball.  He may have stalled a bit.  He then was kicked hard in the ribs.  It's his fault?

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January 24th, 2013 at 12:22 AM
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He's trying to kick the ball out from under

the kid. It looks pretty clear to me.

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January 24th, 2013 at 12:30 AM
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I agree. It looks like he

I agree. It looks like he tries to kick the ball out from under him and the kid goes soccer Oscar and starts looking for a stretcher.

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January 24th, 2013 at 12:45 AM
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I personally don't really

I personally don't really think it matters whether he was trying to kick the kid or kick the ball. In my own eyes, they're pretty much a single unit at that point in time. Whether his intentions were to kick the boy or kick the ball, either way, Hazard must know that some "jarring force", if you will, will be levied on the boy.

 

Now, do I think the kid sold it like a boss? Of course. I don't think that is the point though. Like another poster said, there are officials to manage the play of the game, including tallying how much time has been wasted in order to add it back on in stoppage time. Hazard was completely in the wrong in kicking period, whether it was directed at the boy or the ball. Just my two cents.

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January 24th, 2013 at 1:03 AM
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I am not saying that I don't

I am not saying that I don't think what he did was wrong just that he didn't actually kick the kid.

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January 24th, 2013 at 5:42 PM
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I'll say that:

There was nothing wrong with what he did.

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January 24th, 2013 at 1:01 AM
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Ok

Ok, so he's "trying" to kick the ball out from under the ballboy.  So what.

Hazard clearly makes contact with the ballboy, so his motive doesn't really matter (other than it might mean he's suspended for a month instead 3 months).

And this crap about the "ballboy deserves it cuz he got involved in the game" makes no sense.  Let's say it wasn't a ballboy, let's say it was a Swansea player doing the exact same timewasting (which happens all the time in various forms), and Hazard kicked him.  He'd still deservedly get a red card and be branded an asshole, just like now.

 

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January 24th, 2013 at 1:15 AM
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At least a player is supposed

At least a player is supposed to be on the pitch. This kid was an intruder. It would be more like a football player clotheslining a streaker on the field. Would the player be chastised for it? Yes. Would I feel bad for the streaker? No.

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January 24th, 2013 at 1:23 AM
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Yep

Yep, a streaker, with all his clothes on, standing on the sideline and not even close to the field, with an ID badge allowing him to stand there, who is expressly permitted to interact with the football.

But otherwise, just like that.

It doesn't have to be analogized with any other situation.  He's a ballboy who was timewasting and Hazard kicked him. 

 

 

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January 24th, 2013 at 12:14 PM
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A streaker may be allowed on

A streaker may be allowed on the field on other times, just not during the game. A ballboy may go and get the ball when it is far away from the pitch, just not when it bounching back to the pitch and there is already a player nearby. I have no sympathy for people who put themselves in a situation they should not have been and get hurt.

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January 24th, 2013 at 12:23 AM
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I feel like they should

I feel like they should suspend both of them, Hazard and the ballboy. You clearly can see him cover the ball with his hands when he falls on it. I don't believe for a second that he just stumbled on top of that ball.

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January 24th, 2013 at 12:26 AM
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The play will be reviewed and

The play will be reviewed and a subsequent match ban will take place. Probably more than 3 games.

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January 24th, 2013 at 12:28 AM
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Ban Hazard for a couple of

Ban Hazard for a couple of months. You simply cannot do that to a fan, ball boy, ref, etc. The ref would have been adding on time and woud have been well within his rights to kick the ball boy off the field. That is some shit you'd see from a pair of 6 year olds.

 

An interesting note, and one that I don't think excuses Hazard in the least, but the ball boy is only 4 years younger than him.

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January 24th, 2013 at 12:30 AM
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Where is Herm with a comment

Where is Herm with a comment on youths not respecting soccer authority ???

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January 24th, 2013 at 12:40 AM
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For reference

In 1994 Eric Cantona of Manchester United kicked a fan (some say after being provoked) and was banned for 4 months.

Whatever the ball boy may be doing, for Hazard to be taking it out on a young lad when the result is not going his way is certainly not acceptable.

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January 24th, 2013 at 12:52 AM
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Yea but they will argue that

Yea but they will argue that Hazard kicked the ball and not the kid. I'd be surprised if he's hit with that long of a ban.

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January 24th, 2013 at 1:29 AM
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Hazard admits he kicked him

Hazard's apology was "The boy put his whole body on to the ball and I was trying to kick the ball and not the boy. The boy came into our changing room and we had a quick chat. I apologised to the boy, he apologised as well and it’s over. Sorry"

He says he wasn't trying to kick the ballboy, but that phrasing clearly says he did kick him, albeit unintentionally.

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January 24th, 2013 at 7:30 PM
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Do you really think the

Do you really think the events are comparable? Let me show you a picture of Cantona...

IMO Hazard deserved the red and the mandatory 3 game suspension that goes along with it.  But that is where the punishment should end.

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January 24th, 2013 at 12:57 AM
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you don't kick anyone, even a smartass kid.

I hope they both learn that their are consequences to every action. I'm sure all of us need a kick to the ribs at some point in our lives. Hazard seems like an ass and the kid will be fine. Life lessons are great.

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January 24th, 2013 at 1:05 AM
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If you decide to step into

If you decide to step into the tigers' cage, don't cry when you get bit kid.

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January 24th, 2013 at 12:58 AM
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The analogy that comes to

The analogy that comes to mind (and I'm not much of a sports guy), is Ron Artest, whose provocation was more than anything the ballboy did here.

So assuming Hazard was not just trying to poke the ball free, then no, a red card doesn't seem on par with what happens in one case in the US.

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January 24th, 2013 at 1:14 AM
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Dennis Rodman

Reminded me more of Dennis Rodman kicking a camera guy after he went down on the sideline.

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January 24th, 2013 at 12:58 AM
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Pretty much sums it up

When Lampard and Hazard are talking to the ref, the ref goes (in disbelief) "Did you kick him???"  
Hazard says some sort of his side of the story, but without another word the ref pulls out the red card and motions him off the pitch.  

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January 24th, 2013 at 1:09 AM
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He could very well lose his

He could very well lose his place on the national team, or banned for a spell of future matches. I know the then Scottish Captain Barry Ferguson was banned from further selection at all for making moderately lewd gestures during a match. It clearly looks like he tried to clear the ball from under the kid, but it was still a silly thing to do. I'm sure the kid was fine, it wasn't much of a kick, but he should definitely be disciplined because of it.

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January 24th, 2013 at 1:59 AM
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Not likely

Ferguson (and Allan McGregor) were held out of a qualifier against Iceland for violating curfew and getting shitfaced after a qualifier earlier in the week against Holland.  They then spent the game doing the equivalent of giving the finger (inverted "V" hand gesture) to the crowd throughout the game as they sat on the bench.  Repeated asshole behavior even after punishments were dished out got them in trouble, not a single "heat of the moment" lapse in judgment.  And Hazard hasn't been a guaranteed selection in the Belgian side even when on his best behavior (they have loads of talent and the manager has been pretty reluctant to put up with even the mild, non-violent prima donna antics of Eden).

Their "lifetime ban" was so strong that McGregor is and has been Scotland's clear #1 goalkeeper (poor Craig Gordon) for the last few years and Ferguson was welcomed back into the squad within a year, only to turn down the invitation from recently fired manager Craig Levein.

Luckily this is all behind us as Wee Gordon Strachan prepares to invade Wembley this summer.  If only we can get Darren Fletcher to stop going for burritos in Manchester with Chicharito things are looking good.

Alba gu brath!

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January 24th, 2013 at 1:04 AM
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What a piece of crap that

What a piece of crap that player is. I hope he dies in a fire.

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January 24th, 2013 at 1:09 AM
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I'd be mad too, if the ball

I'd be mad too, if the ball boy threw me a football when I wanted a soccer ball!

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January 24th, 2013 at 1:14 AM
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How can people say he kicked

How can people say he kicked the ball?  Watch the video.  The ball is buried under the left side of his body.  He kicks him cleanly on the right side while reaching out for the ball with his hands.  He kicked him.  Stop making excuses.

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January 24th, 2013 at 1:29 AM
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I can say he kicked the ball

I can say he kicked the ball because he kicked the ball.

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January 24th, 2013 at 1:35 AM
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I suggest you have your eyes

I suggest you have your eyes checked.

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January 24th, 2013 at 1:51 AM
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Watch the angle I posted below

Pretty sure that's ball.

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January 24th, 2013 at 1:18 AM
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The guy was trying to get the

The guy was trying to get the ball and the little shit of a kid seemed to be intentionally trying to slow him down. Nothing malicious looking about the kick, just looked like a frustrated guy trying any means necessary to get the game going again. And to the part where the soccer fans neg me: Maybe if soccer wasn't such a ridiculous sport where the last part of the game wasn't all about how good your are at stalling while the clock is running, this nonsense where a ball boy crosses the line to get in on the action wouldn't have happened and his "poor" ribs wouldn't have paid the price. To all soccer fans, I'm sorry. I respect the athleticism required and the sport's popularity, but the pathetic and incessant flopping and stalling makes it feel like I'm watching a bunch of Dwyane Wade's running around and this incident is a prime example of this theatrical bullshit.

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January 24th, 2013 at 1:24 AM
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Yep.  Nothing malicious about

Yep.  Nothing malicious about the kick, and Ray Lewis is a saint.  Everyone is really on point today.

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January 24th, 2013 at 1:36 AM
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Ray Lewis is actually a

Ray Lewis is actually a Raven.

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January 24th, 2013 at 2:19 AM
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Precisely.

Precisely.

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January 24th, 2013 at 2:30 AM
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+1 to jhender. Out of all

+1 to jhender. Out of all the lame jokes I hear on this blog this goes against that trend. Well played

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January 24th, 2013 at 1:23 AM
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Ball Boys twitter

@CHARLIEM0RGAN

"The king of all ball boys is back making his final appearance #needed #for #timewasting"

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January 24th, 2013 at 1:50 AM
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That tweet went up before the

That tweet went up before the game right? Kid's a prick, who I'm pretty sure faked everything. See the video I posted below.

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January 24th, 2013 at 1:32 AM
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Kid deserved it

Doesn't necessarily make it right, but c'mon now, the kid was clearly trying to stall the game, and then when he gets tapped in the side he goes all Hollywood on us as if he just got hit by a truck.

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January 24th, 2013 at 1:37 AM
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Hazard and the ball boy both already apologized

They're both idiots, and Hazard is now being investigated by the South Wales Police, but people are overboard here. The kid isn't 4 years old, and he was deliberately holding up the game. 

The main reason Hazard's in the wrong, IME, is that the kid, while cheating, is presumably just carrying out orders. There should be an effective mechanism in place to punish the home team for this (with sanctions, say, up to and including a penalty kick), but you can't go around kicking cheaters just because there isn't one.

I think a short ban would be ok--it would send a message to the player--but any longer bans should come with new rules to punish home teams with ball boys pulling this crap, or it'll just get worse.

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January 24th, 2013 at 1:41 AM
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I just stopped by espnfc.com

I just stopped by espnfc.com to post some comments on what I think should happen to Hazard (at least a 10 match ban if not the rest of the season). It's amazing how many people are stridently defending Hazard...even blaming the kid. All those people need a serious adjustment to their world views - it's embarrassing.

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January 24th, 2013 at 1:44 AM
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Do I feel bad for the kid?

Do I feel bad for the kid? Aboslutely not. He went after a ball he shouldn't have, clearly tried to waste time, and then acted like he had been shot as he rolled around on the pitch.

That being said, Hazard still should have just let the kid be a little shit rather than trying to kick the ball out from underneath him and putting himself in this situation.

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January 24th, 2013 at 1:49 AM
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2 important facts

1. The ballboy is 17.

2. I'm not even sure he kicked him. Check out this video at 33 or 34 seconds: 

 

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January 24th, 2013 at 2:07 AM
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Even the ball boys know how

Even the ball boys know how to overreact to some contact.

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January 24th, 2013 at 2:19 AM
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That occurred to me

Maybe if soccer players didn't flip head over heels if they brush another player's jersey and cry like their skeleton had been ripped out, I'd be a bit more upset at the kid's theatrics. But man, that's how europeans play soccer.

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January 24th, 2013 at 2:27 AM
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I love how Henry waits to get

I love how Henry waits to get into the box. These montages never cease to amuse me

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January 24th, 2013 at 11:35 AM
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Two points:

1.  Drogba is a douche.

2.  This is another reason why Lionel Messi is the greatest player ever to set foot on a pitch.  He fights through fouls and rarely goes down, even after truly getting hammered.  If it were 90% of the guys taking the fouls he takes, they would probably insist on being carried off on a stretcher to continue the theatrics.

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January 24th, 2013 at 2:19 AM
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This shot shows Hazard was

This shot shows Hazard was going for the ball. Now that I think of it, I could have sworn I saw this practicing with the Italians a few years back...

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January 24th, 2013 at 2:00 AM
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Ref would have awarded some

Ref would have awarded some extra time had he continued to stay on the ball. Kid isn't completely innocent, but Hazard is really a moron for doing that. 

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January 24th, 2013 at 8:37 AM
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My take:

Eden Hazard is a tremendous little bitch, and has been for years now.  He fits right in at Chelsea.

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January 24th, 2013 at 12:45 PM
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Champions of Europe. KTBFFH.

Champions of Europe. KTBFFH.

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January 24th, 2013 at 10:18 AM
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The ball boy is 17. He knows

The ball boy is 17. He knows better. He's stalling the game. I just wish he was actually kicked that hard to cause him to roll around like that. 

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January 24th, 2013 at 10:33 AM
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I'm going to stick with the general consensus in Europe

The guy deserved it.  It's bad enough watching the players on team that's up a goal stalling with the ball, but to have your grounds crew do it as well? If you want to be involved in the action, then you'd better be willing to take what's coming to you.  Plus, I'm not even sure he actually kicked him.  It looks like he pokes the ball free and it squirts out the other side.

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January 24th, 2013 at 11:15 AM
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Why doesn't soccer have a

Why doesn't soccer have a time keeper or at least transmit the official's time to the scoreboard? I'm far from a soccer fan, but it seems to really detract from the excitement of a close game when you, as a spectator, have no idea how much time is left.

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January 24th, 2013 at 11:58 AM
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stoppage time is known

Soccer prides itself on free flowing time with no time outs. Things like injuries, fights, dishonest ball boys wasting time, need to be accounted for. The center ref is responsible for keeping track of this extra time ledger - no one else. At a higher level match, his information is communicated close to the 90 minute mark to an offical that shows the fans on a small electronic board (and announced over the PA) showing how much time is left. At many youth games or HS JV games there is no stoppage time. At the ones that do allow for stoppage time, coaches and players should always be able to get an answer from a ref as to how much stoppage time is being added on. Finally if the end of stoppage time corresponds to a goal scoring opportunity including a corner kick that is not being taken deliberately, the ref will usually let the play carry itself out.

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January 24th, 2013 at 4:09 PM
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I don't mind the free-flowing

I don't mind the free-flowing time, but I think officials are too stingy with the amount of stoppage time they grant.  If they'd actually review and count how much time is lost in all the stoppages for fouls, the ball going out of bounds, etc., it probably adds up to something like 7-10 minutes in a typical game.

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January 24th, 2013 at 11:43 AM
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Much ado about nothing

17 year old knows what he is doing. Frustrated player wants to get the ball back in play...No blood, play on! 

But as a United fan it is nice to see Chelsea lose.

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January 24th, 2013 at 12:42 PM
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Thanks for that info.

Thanks for that info.

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January 24th, 2013 at 12:00 PM
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At least he

did not use his hands to hit him, that would definetly be a red card.

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January 24th, 2013 at 12:54 PM
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To me it could very well be

a big accident. The boy when he first fell wanted to roll to his right but the Chelsea player was trying to roll him to the left niether could gain any ground. Then the player reached over to pull him to the right while the boy was now trying to roll to the left. It seemed the player finally got frustrated and did indeed kick the young man and he finally was able to roll off because no one was stopping him then.

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January 24th, 2013 at 12:46 PM
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Champions of Europe.

Champions of Europe.

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January 24th, 2013 at 1:39 PM
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Keeping it in the family

Hazard was trying to retrieve the ball from under Charlie Morgan, the teenage son of the Swansea City director Martin Morgan, who had flopped on top of it and appeared to be wasting time after 78 minutes of the goalless draw at the Liberty Stadium.

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January 24th, 2013 at 2:46 PM
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Meh.

It was a light tap to either a) knock the ball loose from the stupid kid's grasp or b) let the stupid kid know that he's doing something stupid. It's not like Hazard booted the kid, either way. As others have said, if you intentionally put yourself into the field of play, then you deserve what's coming to you.

Anyway, as a LOSC fan and a lover of Belgium, Eden Hazard gets a free pass on this. Coincidentally, Zenedine Zidane loves him.

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January 24th, 2013 at 5:55 PM
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Here's another angle

Shouldn't have kicked at the 17 year old but it looks like he got ball.

 

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