OT: Chauncey Billups signs with Pistons
Per this article (HERE), it will be a two-year deal woth "$5 million plus" for Billups.
It will be cool to see Billups in a Pistons uniform once again. Supposedly, part of why Dumars brought him back was so that he could help mentor the younger players. From the article:
"Billups will play the part of mentor for young Detroit guard Brandon Knight, and be a rotation guard off the bench for Detroit."
If only he was mentoring Trey
But i thought the pistons didnt pick trey because they didnt need a pg
Billups isn't a point guard anymore dude
And then picked Peyton Siva.
And then signed back their old PG.
(I am happy they brought Chauncey though, probably my all time favorite Piston)
Peyton Siva is an extremely limited defensive specialist with a marginal chance of playing in the NBA on whom the Pistons took a flyer in the second round. He is not a point guard. Comparing the Siva pick with the hypothetical Burke pick is pretty silly.
"Let's see... We'd like to add another point guard. We can either go with 10-15 years of Trey Burke, or... 2 years of an over-the-hill Chauncey Billups.
That's a no-brainer! We gotta go with Billups!!!!"
Sheed under control
And Tay? But we finally got rid of him!
I think Hamilton is available. I believe the Bulls just waived him.
They did waive him yesterday
Rip isn't coming to the Pistons I don't believe, why would we want him. Mr. Big Show that's a whole different story. We don't have a true pint guard. Yes all of us wanted to see Burke with the Pistons but realistically that would been a bad idea.
It's a move I love if we don't sign Josh Smith. Bring in a guy you don't have to pay much, can put on the floor and won't make you very competative. Perfect. As is stands now, this franchise is digging a hole to nowhere.
How is signing a solid veteran backup PG and mentor for Knight for $2.5M/yr digging a hole to nowhere? Regardless of any signings, this team is a long way away from competing for anything.
The Pistons had $4M in cap room left. What's your alternate move that suddenly points them in the opposite direction of "nowhere?"
this is actually a brilliant signing. If only just as a "player-coach," I think that Billups in a Pistons uniform will bring a stabilizing presence to a very young team. Of all of the 04 championship players. Chauncey always put team before anything else and has always carried himself with class. He is injury plagued, but there is also no reason to think that he cannot be a productive player for a couple of years. He knows all of the tricks of the trade and could also be relied upon in clutch situations of he can stay healthy. This is going to be more beneficial than it appears at first glance.
Knows exactly what Knight is going through in trying to find his way through playing the PG position. Took Billups 6 years to find his niche at the position. Hopefully he helps Knight find it sooner.
Will Bynum is the backup point, Billuos will play the 2
The Pistons are firmly settled into the "Suck for Wiggins" competition.
I don't think the Pistons will be anywhere close to the worst team in the league next year. They certainlly won't be able to compete with the best in the East but it wouldn't surprise me if they contended for one of the final playoff spots (and then got swept in the first round by the Heat or the Pacers).
Making the playoffs in the East should be fairly easy next season. With a lot of teams in full on tank mode, it wouldn't surprise me to see a team make the playoffs with like 35 wins or so. I mean hell, the Bucks made the 8th seed last season with a 38-44 record. And with the Celtics in tank mode, the Pistons probably just need to win 6-7 more games than last year to grab a 7th or 8th seed.
are not going to be as bad as you think they are. Smith may not have been the ideal signing but the Pistons are going to be tough down low man. I don't think you are going to see a team that is in line to get the number 1 pick (even though that may be what most people want). I think they will be a fringe lottery team.
they wouldn't have signed Josh Smith. The team is nowhere near as bad as some of the teams who clearly are tanking for the #1 overall pick.
First of all, the Pistons traded their 2014 pick (top 8 protected) in the Ben Gordon - Corey Maggette contract swap.
As bad as they were last year they still only managed to pick 8th.
This year's team has Andre Drummond, Greg Monroe, Brandon Knight, Kyle Singler, Slava Kravtsov, and Khris Middleton all getting a year of experience and growth.
Plus the addition of one of the top forwards in the league, Josh Smith.
Plus the addition of the Italian League MVP, Luigi Datome.
Plus bringing back Chauncey, and re-signing Will Bynum.
Plus drafting KCP, Tony Mitchell, and Peyton Siva.
And through some strange alchemy that roster is going to be worse?
Do you think Jose Calderon and Jason Maxiell are supermen or something? That is the only logical explanation for what you stated.
I like this comment TheLastHoke...you laid out a nice case as to why they are better...probably more than merely incrementally better.
Although I am not sure I could do better (except taking Trey instead of the Pope), not sure I like the overall Pistons strategy as they are clearly not close to contending and they are not rebuilding (the mistake Joe made with the BG and CV acquisition). If anything, it looks to me they might be trying to go the Pacers route with less talent (Hibbert, George >>> Monroe, Knight). I hate to think success for Proud Pistons fans is the 7th or 8th seed in a crappy conference, get shellacked by top tier teams, and we miss out on lottery picks in next year's stacked draft.
Still, feel better than last year. Thanks for the solid analysis.
The Pistons are going old school, grind you out, defense, defense, defense, type of basketball.
Andre Drummond, Greg Monroe, and Josh Smith has to be one of the most fearsome defensive frontcourts in the league. Who is going to score in the paint on those guys? Who is going to rebound over them? And when they crash the boards on offense, it will be a nightmare to try and box all of those guys out.
Kentavious Caldwell Pope is a good wing defender with size as a 2 guard.
BK needs to work on bulking up before he can be a good defender at the 1, but he is quick, and getting there.
Offense is going to be the problem. They need to let BK sink or swim at the point guard spot if that's where they feel his future lies. No more jerking him around.
They also need to bring in more shooters. Luigi Datome was the Italian League MVP, and is a 6'9" SF, who can shoot the lights out. Off the dribble he has a killer step back jumper, plus he can score off screens and has range for days. The guy is a dead eye 3 point shooter with plus athleticism. The Italian League has seen former MVPs Manu Ginobili and Anthony Parker go on the NBA success. Datome was also considered the #1 free agent in all of Europe. The Spurs, Grizz, Celtics, Rockets, Suns, and Bucks were all vying for his services.
Singler and Middleton also need to develop their long range games, and the Pistons will have plenty of opportunities to find more shooters in coming seasons as their frontcourt gels.
I think the defense will be fun to watch but the offense could be pretty brutal. Josh Smith is a turrible shooter so teams will be able to pack the paint when he's on the floor with Drummond and Monroe. Spacing will be a huge issue.
Trying to get some consistent scoring in the backcourt will be key going forward. I definitely like the size of the lineup being put together right now. We should have a pretty versatile rotation in that we can go big for defensive purposes or move Smith up to the 4 spot during stretches to bring another shooter off the bench. Alot of people are down on the Smith signing, but at least with Smith you know you're going to get rebounds and block shots regardless if he's hitting shots our not. Compare that to someone like Carmelo who gives you nothing on the other end. Smith might be overpaid, but this reminds me of the Tigers oversigning for Pudge years ago. This at least gives them momentum going forward and gives them something to build on.
They are going to be tough down low. Smith as a 3 will add to that. Some Bynum( a big old 7 foot if), Varejao (Tristan, Bennett) vs Monroe Drummond and Smith battles will be top notch.
I think the Cavs will be better in the backcourt but Detroit will be better at the 3. Fun to watch ... especially with the bottom 3 spots in the East co pletely up for grabs. Wouldnt be surprised to see both teams in there.
I wish this were true, but sadly, the Pistons are going to be mediocre once again.
This team is built to compete for the 7 seed the next few years and get bounced from the playoffs in round 1.
Love Chauncey, but this signing doesn't really do anything for us but confirm our status as a mediocre team.
He'll bring locker room stability and leadership and come off the bench in small spurts and try and hit some perimeter shots. They're not bringing him in to build around him.
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They want their headlines back.
So, essentially what you're saying, is that T2 was real, it just had the dates messed up!?
EDIT: The scary part is, I don't even know if my reference makes any sense. I'm keeping the blinds closed tonight as not to get sniped just in case.
I knew it. The government's massive data vacuum in Utah, the NSA; prism my ass. This is Skynet. Edward Snowden doesn't look like John Connor to me. We're all screwed.
Shhh, there's a dark helicopter overhead. Time to unplug and get to the spiderhole...
They were idiots to let chauncey go and idiots to pass on Trey. I'll be there only if the Jazz come to town. Yep, still bitter. I still think it's because a Spartan owns the team.
it is tough to see, but drafting Burke would have been an act of desperation that Dumars and the ownership did not believe was necessary. Their moves this off-season tell me that they do not believe they are that far off the mark right now. You have to remember that until Miami is broken up, the remainder of the East is playing for second place. It is about putting themselves in position to contend with the Pacers of the world right now.
Count me in as one who actually likes what Detroit is doing right now. If anyone is going to compete with Miami, you're going to need alot of size inside. This is the first time since Chauncey was traded that this team is starting to build an identity.
Give him a pretty small dose of minutes, play him at important times, let him mentor/coach some of the younger guys, and let him retire as a Piston. It may have been a long go around, but this should certainly work out better than bringing back Ben Wallace.
What didn't you like about bringing Ben back? I thought he was very productive given his contract.
All this Trey Burke complaining is getting nauseating. It's been almost 2 weeks and guess what....neither player has played in an actual NBA game yet. Yes it would have been nice to see Trey in a PIstons' jersey but who knows how this is going to pan out. Everyone needs to cool down and give KCP a chance.
I really expected to up-vote your post and then see a "-1 Normal" after doing it. Glad to see there are others that agree.
We all would like to see Michigan players on the pro teams we cheer about. The fact is, it rarely happens. And the reality is, that may be better both for the Pistons and for Trey, it's difficult to say right now.
I am glad to see I'm in good company. I love clicking on any NBA thread and seeing complaining about how we didn't draft Burke. Pistons are in the right direction with these moves, and while I'm not crazy about KCP, I don't think Burke would have been the right direction either
All we are saying is give KCP a chance!!!
Give KCPeace a chance?
I will always have a soft spot for members of that 2004 team. Welcome home Chauncey
Welcome back Mr. Big Shot
Shame the Pistons I watched when I was getting into the NBA are all broken up now. Trading him for Iverson was an ignorant move.
"Trading him for Iverson was an ignorant move."
Ehhh. Yes and no. Ignorant is a little strong. Nobody really knew AI was DONE done. The Celtics nearly traded for him rather then aqcuire the BIg 3 at around the same time (maybe 1 or 2 years ealrier/later #stonerbrain), but hindsight is ALWAYS 20/20.
The thing about AI is with his attitude it made him an enigma. Was he done? Was he just quitting? Was he unhappy? Did he hate the coach? Nobody really knew but AI and so we got him and he was in fact DONE done.
I liked it at first only because I have always loved AI and even AI at 50% is pretty damn good.
It was time to blow it up and JD got a huge contract that would expire soon...
I mean people tlak about Billups, but look at how RIP turned out? He was oft injured for the Bulls. That was a great sell move.
In the end JD has made way more dumb moves than good ones, but he did make the moves to bring home a championship so he is ok with me for 5-7 years (which is about up).
Joe D's biggest mistake was assuming that he could use that extra salary cap to sign a max contract player. Signing Gordon and Villanueva has to be his worst move as a GM, IMO, and that includes the Darko debacle.
The Darko Debacle was Joe's worst move ever, and it probably cost the Pistons one more ring. Melo, who was the consensus #2 pick in the '04 draft, would have made enough of a difference in the '05 playoffs to get the Pistons past SA.
Hindsight is 20/20. Draft busts happen all the time, and Darko was seen by everybody as a Top pick. If he had been picked by anybody except the Pistons, or had a coach besides Larry Brown, who knows what might have been
Picking Darko may have "cost" the Pistons the 2005 title, but signing Charlie V and Ben Gordon to those godawful contracts has essentially killed the Pistons and put them into the mess they're in right now
consensus number 2? hmm ESPN just had a segment on this all 30 GMs said Dario was #2 quit your day job and be a NBA gm
Well said. Forgot about that.
trading a player a year too early is better than trading a player a year too late. That's precisely what Joe D is trying to do. He simply got the wrong value/player from the trade. If he traded for the right player, there wouldn't be any criticism on his moves. Simply put, if he got the right players, no one would be calling for his head.
Look at Dombrowski for example. He made a ballsy move by trading away one of the most popular player on the team by the players/fans in Granderson. He got the right players back in Austin Jackson and Max Scherzer. If he failed, there would be fans calling for his head for botching the trade. That's the reality of the GM's job. People will always criticize your moves. There were tons of Tigers fans who weren't happy with the trade, but right now, it's a great trade because they won the trade by getting a better leadoff hitter in AJax and a great pitcher in Scherzer who have gotten better and better as the years goes by.
People around here seem to forget Chauncey being broken down and ineffective his last few postseasons in Detroit, making him a good candidate to be traded with his big salary. Coming back and playing fewer minutes makes plenty of sense. Plus, he had to grow into the PG position, something Brandon Knight needs to do.
Also, this may help Josh Smith stay focused. He has all kinds of talent and athletic ability, but he needs his head in the game. Chauncey may help guide him there.
to disagree that Chauncey was ineffective in the post season toward the end of his run in Detroit. I thought he played Rhondo fairly well in his last playoff series here. Ben was the motor of that team. He made it come together and you could tell they were missing their glue when he left. Chauncey did what he could but their ceiling was just much lower.
He was absolutely destroyed by athletic PG, He was Tony Parkers bitch even Daniel Gibson embarrassed Billups
took some abuse from Parker but he gave just as much as he got in that series. That entire series was a great point guard matchup. And Daniel Gibson hit a few threes at some opportune times. That hardly translates to "embarrassing" somebody.
The Pistons would've been foolish to match that. And his quick downturn showed it was wise to let him go. Chauncey on the other hand was hurt the previous 2-3 postseasons. He was great for Denver his first season, then got hurt in the playoffs. I can't remember if it was a sprained ankle each time, but I belive they were lower body injuries. You cannot dismiss the fact that he has missed a ton of time since he left Detroit with a myriad of injuries.
Happy to see Chanucey and JD buried the hatchet. There was some considerable contention from Chauncey about how he was let go (even though it was back to his hometown).
Good to see Billups back home.
We should now have a reasonable chance to be a 1st round road bump for the Heat in the playoffs next year.
I would assume there was also considerable respect for one another as well. I know, at least before the trade, that Chauncey really credited Joe D. for bringing in him, kind of mentoring him and helping him reach his potential. Joe D for obvious reasons should respect Chauncey as well for everything he did for the Pistons.
At the end of the day, I think we're all kind of looking at your last two paragraphs, and sighing in agreement though. Don't tell that to Cavs fans though, they are estatic about signing Bynum and the prospects of possibly being a 6-7 seed (that's honestly how they put it, not me). Cleveland fans: the sad perpetual optimists.
We just gave Bynum what boils down to a 1 year $6 million deal that only gets to $12 million if he hits incentives throughout the season. The 2nd year of the deal is a club option. If it doesn't work out he's gone by next season, if it does work out we have a 25 year old 7 foot All Star.
Cleveland is ecstatic that we just gave him a low risk, high reward contract. If it bombs out who cares, we weren't winning a championship next year anyway.
In fact, I just might agree with some of the more optimistic Cleveland projections out there... and I'm a Pistons fan. For the record, I hope I'm wrong and that Cleveland loses every game.
Low risk, high reward. But from everything I'm hearing out of Ohio people are super pumped that they're "in contention" again. "In contention" being a first round playoff exit and even some fans bringing up getting back at Lebron. Though, I guess I should preface, these were radio people I was listening to, and, well, yeah...
I can't handle the fans that actually call into the local sports talk shows around here, it's unbearable.
You should have heard everyone 3 weeks into the season calling in and saying we should extend Mark Reynolds even though the previous 6 years of his career show him doing exactly what he's doing now.
Trust me, they represent the minority.
Agreed. Chauncey owes a bit to JD for taking a chance on him when Petino gave up on him after 50 or so games...
What I will never get about the NBA is that they build intrigue out of teams tanking for the next years good draft picks and there is more of an incentive to tank them to make the playoffs as a lower seeded team.
I will never understand how a game can be built around the idea that winning isn't the best result. Seems flawed. I enjoy the game of basketball (college is great), but the NBA has some real issues when the point isn't always to win the game you are playing...
But, like you say, it's gotten so common that it's basically comical. I don't know how you fix it. Maybe make your draft position be based on 2-3 seasons earlier, but I could see a lot more problems with that than fixes. There has to be a reward for trying to get better while not punishing teams that can't help for sucking. With basketball being heavily influenced by even one star player, there is too much insentive that teams would rather suck for a while than be good.
The Pistons, for instance, have repeatedly been punished for not being good but also working to actually put a good product on the court (whether they have or not is debatable). It just seems kind of backwards.
Go back to the old lottery that wasn't as weighted (ping pong balls anyone?) or not weighted at all. Sure it sucks if you suck, but there isn't any reward for bombing out a whole season.
1. improve on defense, especially down low.
2. Chris Bosh to score 0 points again, just for four games in a row
3. DWade' s knees to continue falling off
Then... just stand helplessly as LeBron scores 48 points in the fourth quarter again like in that last, Cavs-pistons series.
Damn, almost had the winning formula.
Woo! We're gettin the band back together! We just signed Memet Okur to a 3 year deal!
I like the move for two reasons, outside of these two moves I hate it because he is aged and is coming back from a significant injury...
Reason 1 why I like this move - trade is coming. Six guards on the roster is setting up Joe to get rid of one or two ( Stuckey with his expiring deal, possibly Knight) and a forward or two (Charlie V, expiring, and Greg Monroe). Please Joe try to get Demar Derozan and Rondo.
2. He's a proven leader in an organization that has no leadership in any position. Owner doesn't care, GM is proving to be incompetent, coach likes to be friends with players and has no control(see Blazers with Bonzi Wells and Sheed.)
I liked the Billups signing... but Memo too? For 3 years?
Memo had like full body replacement surgery about two years ago. His NBA playing days are over.
Looks like I gotta take the ol' Sarcasmometer 3000 in for an oil change.
Get your "doublepostermeter" checked too...
Looks like I gotta take the ol' Sarcasmometer 3000 in for an oil change.
My favorite player of all time is back with my favorite team. We finally have a leader and Joe D is looking less like a moron by the day....
I'd rather have Iverson.
Assembling a team that's going to be fringe lottery for the next few years, at least.
This was a nice PR move, I'll give him that. But the team is going to be stuck in that same space the 76ers have been since Iverson left. Fighting for that 8th seed.
Be good or be bad. You're not going to attract a high level FA to Detroit so your best option is to build through the draft and then add mid-level players and veterans. The Warriors are doing it as we speak. The Clippers did it, but they got Chris Paul, so it doesn't really count.
If Dumars can find a way to get a top 10 PG and a top 10 SF in the next year than this team will work. Knight can come off the bench in a Jason Terry type role (or Stuckey in his best years). But how likely is that to happen?
It's a "what the Lakers should do" column, but basically emphasizes being really good or really bad...and not the Milwaukee Bucks (their whole history after Kareem).
But then he wants Charlie V and Stuckey's expiring contracts AND Drummond for Rondo. (After ranking Monroe higher on his trade value list). So, yeah.
I think he rather give up Monroe than Drummond. I'm quite positive that he will have Drummond as a higher trade value due to his potential and he already shows that he can be productive even if he doesn't reach his potential.
Well, that's why Simmons proposed the trade he did, because EVERYONE (inc.Dumars, Ainge, etc.) would want Drummond. Simmons is a C' s fan, of course he wants to win the trade!
But would Rondo be allowed to have a say in the trade? He'd want to go be surrounded by the best parts possible, and might say no if Detroit loses too much. If he has the juice in that organization anymore, I mean.
He even said every Piston fan would want Drummond more, but ranked Monroe higher.
But then he comes back and says he wants Drummond in the trade. So his true thoughts might be showing when it comes to the Celtics.
I'm actually pretty excited about this team next year, I think they should make the playoffs as a 7 or 8 seed.
Firsy 'Sheed, now Mr. Big Shot..._Hey, Rip is a free agent. He could show KCP how to do it at SG. Fuck it, 2 years, 3 mill.
seriously would actually not surprise me.
As someone who actually watched the Pistons play after the Billups/Iverson swap, I can say that Hamilton was actually the main reason the team pretty much fell apart. Iverson actually came in with the right attitude, looking to play like the All-Star/Olympic version of himself -- a penetrating facilitator for a team with a lot of weapons. Unfortunately, Rip's ego couldn't let that happen -- he avoided passing the ball to AI as much as he could, and Iverson never really could get going as a result (and neither could the offense in general without the only player who could consistently break down the defense not seeing the ball).
If anyone remembers, whenever Rip was injured and out for a series of games that season, the Pistons and Iverson would go on a win streak. Then Rip would return and they'd start losing again. But Iverson's always been the guy that the middle-America mainstream public likes to gang up on, so he got blamed while Rip, who was actaully the problem, got a free pass from the public. I think Iverson held up about as well as he could have in that situation.
After that season, when Rip pretty much became the de facto leader, the chemistry and locker room very publicly went to crap. But most casual observers didn't even recognize the root of the problem until a couple years later when Rip got real pouty and caused a bunch of problems after he was asked to come of the bench. Rip won't ever be a Piston again after that.
Of course, every real Pistons fan knows nothing really mattered after Davidson went all curmudgeonly on LB and forced him out. The Pistons weren't going to win a title under Saunders, regardless of any player personnel moves. Losing Brown definitely cost them one and probably two more titles.
I watched them also and remember Rip being problematic. He was also butting heads with the coach. However, if he could come in for a weak contract like I put out there, he would be able to player coach KCP on moving without the ball and perfecting his mid-range game. Rip and Reggie Miller were the best to ever play SG without the ball in their hands imo.
that you may not quite remember exactly how things went down. Rip signed a long term contract days before the Pistons traded Chauncey and brought in another guy that basically played Rip's position. Rip did not tank that season and I really did not see any chemistry problems with them on the floor as far as ego, they were just like the two most mismatched guards in history. And I don't remember AI being the picture of professionalism. He reported lived in casinos and of I remember correctly he just sat out like the second half of the season just cuz.
Oxymoron homeboy. AI was washed up and as soon as he left Denver Chauncey lead them to the WCF. Remember Iverson missed the thanksgiving practice after the entire team showed up? Also Joe D hired the most incompetent coach in sports when he hired Curry.
He's not going to contribute much, and there's no real point guard to mentor.
Franchise-wise I think it's a great move. Part of being a destination for players when you don't have beaches, warm wether, babes, and no income tax is being a first rate organization that treats its players well. Ben got to come back, Rasheed is around. But Chauncey was ok, then mad, and now obviously burying any hatchets. (Rip still seems pissed though. But he's been acting like a 12 year old for awhile now.) Let him retire a Piston and he'll certainly be a good influence on any locker room. And if Joe is still around, maybe move him into a front office position later to learn the ropes. Let Pistons who are Pistons for life at least come home.
we have some babes here.
I was all set to root against them this year. Now I may actually have to watch a game or two...
Will Billups retire a Piston? If so, even better, he should retire a Piston.
Chauncey Billups and the rest of the 2004 Pistons were the reason I started watching NBA basketball. That was one heck of a team to watch. Im glad they brought him back.
He should never, ever have let Billups go to begin with. Glad to have him back.
In other news, the Pistons are playing right now in the D-League, and Drummond has 9 points, 6 boards, and 1 block in the first 8 minutes of the game.
Time will obviously tell but it's hard to decipher what other organizations were thinking by passing over Andre for the likes of Terrence Ross, Thomas Robinson, and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist.
Dre is up to 17 points, 15 boards, 2 steals, 2 blocks in 23 minutes. He is a monster.I think everyone thought he was a slacker who didn't care about basketball because he loafed a lot at UCONN. They were obviously all 100% wrong. Dude has spent every waking moment either at the Palace working on his post up game, or with Hakeem, working on his post up game. He is a gym rat who only cares about basketball. We got lucky as hell.
Cool dude that tweeted he'd give up the #1 if Chauncey wanted it back.
on Drummond's work ethics, desire to get better and his production at UConn did not match his potential/athletic ability. I'm glad that 8 teams passed up on Drummond and Dumars did the smart thing by taking him. UConn wasn't the best environment for Drummond and every players tanked in that season.
I see Drummond as a superstar and end up as the best C in the league when all is said and done. He has freakish athleticism, great size at 6'11", 270 lbs, and he was super productive in limited minutes. People forget that he's only 19 and is about to turn 20 pretty soon. That is scary.
Mr. Big shot! Its a good day.
Now I haven't read the entire thread so if this was already asked then I'm sorry, but where is he going to get the playing time? It appears Dumars still believes in Knight as the future at PG (albeit smart or not) but they also re-signed Bynum so where are you going to get playing time for 3 PG's?
Well, Peyton Siva has outplayed Burke in the summer league, as has Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, so maybe Joe D knows what the fuck he is doing?
If Burke had been outplaying KCP would you be saying Dumars doesn't have a clue, or would you be saying "summer leagues"....
a good rebounding and shot blocking team this year. Depending on who's on the floor, they can rebound from positions 2-5. KCP has shown he is a willing rebounder, Smith, Monroe, Drummond are all beast on the boards. Not to mention the shot blocking capabilities of KCP, Smith, Drummond, Krastov(spelling?) and Mitchell who could be the steal of the draft. I do not know what all the negative opinions in regards to this Pistons team is about but if KCP has a decent year, Drummond continues to compete and improve, Smith brings his usual game minus all the threes,the Mo Cheeks and Billups combination helps Knight with a smoother transition at PG this season and the bench with Krastov, Mitchell, Singler, Jerebko, Stuckey, Bynum, the new shooter from Italy league and Billups can contribute efficiently, then i see no reason why this team is not at most a 6 seed in the playoffs. That is a far cry from the past several years in declination. The Pistons are headed in the right direction and that is good enough for me right now. Does that save Dumars job imo, probably not but he has improved this teams future. Burke or no Burke! If the 2014 draft is as deep as everyone thinks it will be then the Pistons should get a good player regardless. I personally would rather have a playoff type season, than tanking for some kid who is going to need a year or two before he even makes a impact. I like our team!!!
...at least this season. Pistons desperately needed a sharpshooter on their roster, and Billups is one who can do more than just spot-up from three. He can pull off the dribble and is still an adequate defender. He could be good for >30 mins a game and maybe start if he can run a team that should look to be getting out in transition a lot.
Anyone think it's worth looking to acquire Lin? He had a lot of success during the period where the Knicks were sending out a lineup similar to how the Pistons will look this year.