OT: Channelsurfing.net operator arrested & charged
Channelsurfing.net was shut down by federal agents in February, and now the Texas based operator has been arrested and charged by the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement's (ICE) Homeland Security Investigations (HSI).
NEW YORK - The operator of a website that illegally streamed live, copyrighted sporting events on the Internet was arrested this morning by agents with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement's (ICE) Homeland Security Investigations (HSI).Bryan McCarthy, 32, of Deer Park, Texas, was taken into custody at his home and is charged with one count of criminal infringement of a copyright. He was the operator of channelsurfing.net, which was seized by federal authorities on Feb. 1, 2011, as part of an ongoing HSI investigation into websites that illegally streamed copyrighted sporting telecasts and pay-per-view events.
The investigation into McCarthy revealed that he made more than $90,000 in profits from online merchants who paid him to advertise on the website. Since the seizure of the site, it has received more than 1.3 million hits.
Federal charges make it likely that other streaming sites look good and hard at continuing to offer service. The party may be over for out of market Michigan fans hoping to catch a game on TV...
... but I'm more concerned that this is what Homeland Security is focused on these days.
I too found that odd. The U.S. Attorney for Southern NY is leading the investigation, which is not surprising, but why not FBI agents on the arrest?
that shut down Internet Poker for a short time for U.S. players a few years back?
It's definitely had an effect on the amount of good players vs fish. Depositing has become much harder for a weekend warrior just looking to have some fun at the tables. Stars is a completely different landscape than it was before RIAA legislature took hold in 2006.
But streaming tv? Are they going to chase people outside the states that run these sites? Can they even do that? What about someone operating a site under false information? This guy is unlucky because he was the guinea pig, but I can almost assure he and maybe a few others will be the first and last of a very few that see jail time for this.
ICE has an international cybercrime division. That's why it was the agency that seized the site.
They changed the name of a division of the FBI that was focused on organized crime and drugs to Homeland Security just for appearances sake. It's like how the Secret Service is in charge of tracking down counterfeiters. International interweb crime has to go somewhere, they put it under homeland security for some bizarre reason.
/I don't think any of this is even close to correct, but it's Friday so I don't give a shit.
Yes, I watched The Wire, but only learned that it's best to use a burner phone when in the narcotics trade, not to let your girlfriend change burner buying protocol, do not let a junkie put a hat on your head, and West Baltimore drug dealers do not care for East Baltimore drug dealers
To this day, I refuse to let anyone put a hat on my head. You never know who's up in those buildings across the street. I also speak in code in the presence of any and all tennis balls.
I also avoid anyone peddling street wares while using the phrase "Junk maaan, JUNK" to catch my attention, no matter how much I may want to get my hands on that scrap metal. It's just not worth it to get dragged into that world, man.
I also compulsively fear any man in a bowtie who appears to be a member of the Nation of Islam, as I automatically assume he is a steel-nerved assassin.
I also don't get into business with Greek or Eastern European importers/exporters. Just too risky.
I watched God of War. Nicholas Cage had a "legitimate" import/export business: after he delivered the arms, his planes loaded up on trade goods and flew back to base. I know how these guys launder their operations.
It's actually a lot like what The Wire depicted. The FBI has so much work to do with counterterrorism now that ICE has a lot more federal law enforcement responsibility. It's the second largest law enforcement agency in the federal government, and intellectual property theft is one of ICE's top priorities.
I, for one, am pleased that ICE is on the case. If there is a problem yo he'll solve it.
As for counterfitting, will it ever stop? Yo, I don't know.
That ICE is on a case of copyright infringement is pretty funny and I think is that thing I think is irony but is actually just coincidence.
Maybe spending time doing this is why we can't find Bin Laden.
If one site goes down, two new ones go up. That's how it's gonna be as long as money can be made off it.
That's the case with sites that just get shut down, but when there's a concerted effort to not only shut the site down but to actually prosecute the person running the site, I'm not so sure that'll be the case.
Then again, a few will probably just start up outside the country, so maybe you're right.
Right, because the RIAA has TOTALLY won the war against illegally downloading music.
Apples to Oranges really. Two very very different situations.
Both are illegally downloading something copywritten that you can get by paying for. And the government and RIAA are both playing the enforcer and going after and prosecuting people that are breaking their laws. How are they different situations?
I think the P2P distinction is important here. Once I've got a copy of Kung Fu Panda downloaded, I can give it to you for free without much of any effort--the file on a DVD, sharing on a network, or running a P2P program (as long as it's decentralized since the centralized Napster was easily shut down like this). To stream live television is more complex and takes more effort and bandwidth.
It wouldn't surprise me if there were plenty of decentralized alternatives that spring up and do take the place of sites like this, but the differences between live entertainment and recorded entertainment make it not a given IME.
absolutely they have!
/signed guy who has only bought maybe 5 CDs in the past 5 years and has 11,000 songs on his ipod...
I fail to see what some guy streaming sports has to do with homeland security. It's bad enough that the entertainment industry has the FBI as their lapdogs.
The irony here is that the NCAA, agents, and TV have already exploited the players much more than some guy finding streaming sports has exploited anyone.
The networks and cable companies should just bypass cable altogether and let people watch their channels for the dollar a month they want to charge the cable companies. Most people only have ten or so favorite channels anyway.
I would gladly pay $1 each a month for CBS, NBC, Fox, ABC, ESPN 1 and 2, BTN, Golf Channel, USA, TNT, and Spike, along with around four regional Fox Sports channels. $15 a month for 15 channels would be a lot cheaper than paying $60 or more for a bunch of crap I don't even watch.
Besides, all they are really doing is making it easier for the sites in Europe to get viewers.
If you only paid for the channels you wanted to watch, the per-channel fee would need to be much higher. If USA streamed to you for the $1 they get from your cable fee, and other channels did the same, the end result would be that USA didn't make any extra money off of you, and they lost a lot of money from people who are currently paying the $1 even though they're not watching USA. I think you'd end up paying close to $60/month anyways, and just get far fewer channels out of the deal.
Looks like your comment beat mine.
Hell I would pay $60 for just those 20 channels I want. You know why? b/c flipping through 60+ channels of god/home shopping/cooking/public access is a pain in the ass and the opportunity cost to me is worth it.
(Disclaimer: My wonderful cable provider would charge me $10 extra a month for another HD box for the bedroom TV, of which you can only get the On-Screen Channel guide with a set top box and therefore all my channel numbers are different from HD #'s that I recieve in the living room)
You're too hung up on the words "homeland security." The Department of Homeland Secuirty is just an umbrella group of agencies that are often merely tangentially relate to security and anti-terrorism. Really, the agency basically simply covers any federal enforcement agencies that don't neatly fall into the Depts. of Justice or Defense.
For whatever reason, enforcement of copyrights falls to Immigration and Customs Enforcement, I think because they are the primary enforcement agency of federal regulations on trade.
I thought thats what the interwebs and all of it's tubes were invented for. I'm going to have to ask Al Gore if thats it's pupose since he invented this thing.
/s
It's fuzzy math, yo.
By that argument, we should dismantle all copyright and patent laws because they don't protect tangible items.
They're conflating two different types of lost sales and pretending they're the same. However, someone choosing not to use your product is very different from someone using your product and not paying for it (if you're not choosing to give it away).
the point is instead of spending resources stopping people from pirating your stuff, spend resources on making a product they will actually want to buy. thanks for being an ass about it though.
I never understood that argument. The rules are in place, a business produces a product and price it according to those rules to make money, and the fact that someone doesn't want to pay and steals your product means that you should change your model?
Probably tilting at windmills as illegal downloading will happen no matter what, but why shouldn't an artist or publisher be pissed when something is stolen from them? If you want to break the law doesn't mean I have to make it easy for you.
I see both sides, really. The argument for the laws is that without them, in the long run, the incentives to create are diminished, leading to potential creators of unique content either leaving the market, creating less, or not getting into the market to begin with. The basis for us having copyright law is this incentivizing, as the underlying philosophy is that we want to encourage creativity as a society and protect those creators economically.
Somebody has found that frequent updates to his software give people a reason to buy it. They are getting something of value they don't get from a pirated copy. How does that apply here? That's what I don't get. Do you have any suggestions for what a broadcaster of live events could do?
"instead of spending resources stopping people from pirating your stuff,
spend resources on making a product they will actually want to buy."That argument somehow assumes that really good products aren't pirated, which is totally backward. The better the product, the higher the demand. The higher the demand, the more likely someone will make a pirated version available. It's like saying that if you want someone to stop selling cheap knock-offs of your Gucci purses on New York street corners, you should just design more desirable purses. The whole reason they SELL knock-offs of those purses are BECAUSE they are desirable.
Economics dictates that if two products are identical, and one is free, then people will most often choose 'not paying' over 'paying'
Just because you make a product better does not mean people will not want that product free if it's possible to do so.
I get the econ theory but if broadcast/music/movie companies put out better items and stop raping people, they will return to the days where they have a nice baseline profit level.
I will pay $10 dollars for a CD I will not pay $20.
I will pay $7 a ticket to the movies but I will not pay $13 for post-production shitty 3D.
I will follow a broadcast show if you promise NOT to cancel it after 6 episodes because its not getting 35 million viewers an episode because I am not like the rest of America and I actually like to watch something with a story not mindless drival such as American Idol and B*tchwives of Whatever county.
They'd lose far too much money, and most of their leverage. It also would be very very expensive. ESPN charges cable companies something like $5 per customer for ESPN. If customers could individually purchase networks, ESPN no longer would have, say 50 million subscribers at $5 a pop. Say only 35% of that 50 million want it. ESPN will make up that lost revenue by jacking the price way up.
Is there a simple answer to why channels cant be purchased individually? My only thought is that many individual channels are owned by the same company and these few companies have an agreement with each other.
Bundling forces you to take more channels to get the ones you actually want. You are subsidising your grandmother watching the Oprah channel, and she is subsidizing your ESPN and BTN viewing while both pay $79/month.
Disintermediation or unbundling of this market will not happen as it is not in the interests of the broadcaster nor the cable/satellite companies.
A few programmers own most of the channels. It's a bit scary. Big reason they can't be purchases individually is that the programmer will require the cable company to carry a network on a certain tier. Where depends on who has the most leverage.
I watched the Red Wings game from one of these sites yesterday. The person who was putting it up said because of regulation he will no longer be streaming the Red Wings and this is one of his lasts games. I got the link from myp2p.com. So, yes they are cracking down everywhere.
It's illegal for them to stream it, but it's not illegal for me to watch what they're streaming, so I don't care. There will always be someone out there that will put it online, and I intend to find them if I don't have the particular channel I want to watch.
a lot of great streaming sites are based in europe where the governments generally don't waste their time trying to make criminals in these types of scenerios. Ridiculous. As a Wolverine living in Korea, where I can't even pay for most online streams or watch "free" espn or cbs streams b/c I'm out of the country (don't ask me why, but they are usually blocked outside of the USA), I'm all for p2p streaming.
Power to the masses of faceless sports fans.
God that place is a shit hole. I'm not surprised that someone decided to stay inside (away from the chemical plant fumes) and try to make a buck
Ok, this is what I don't get. The material is copyrighted, yet the only reason these fans are watching them online is because their local feed doesn't carry the game. These fans aren't going to be watching whatever other game is on. They want their game. So by watching these "pirated" streams, their viewership is actually going up. Most of the streams usually broadcast the commercials as well so I don't really see the problem with it! Now if they offered the games a la carte or PPV, then that would be different. But 99.9% of the time, that isn't an option.
That's not 'the only reason"
The real reason is that these people don't want to pay a premium for packages like Gameday, or go to a bar that has paid a premium
What blows my mind is that nobody is investigating WTC 7, when it fell at free fall speed and a peer reviewed journal found nanothermite in all dust samples.
DANGER, Will Robinson...