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Does he take the job? I know I hope he does. Discuss.
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OT- Cavaliers Offer Tom Izzo Head Coaching Job
June 6th, 2010 at 8:51 PM
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OT- Cavaliers Offer Tom Izzo Head Coaching Job
June 6th, 2010 at 8:53 PM | 
Not sure why he would, unless
Not sure why he would, unless
June 6th, 2010 at 10:19 PM |
Because he'd be making more
Because he'd be making more
Because he'd be making more money and he has little left to prove at the college level. This gives him a chance to prove himself at the "highest" level.
Galileo was also chastised.
June 6th, 2010 at 10:40 PM |
This gives him a chance to prove himself at the "highest" level.
This gives him a chance to prove himself at the "highest" level.
My read on Izzo is that he's similar to guys like Coach K, Dean Smith, and Bobby Knight in that he doesn't regard the NBA as a step up; that he truly loves more than anything else coaching college-age kids, and loves the college environment in general. From what I see, the only time the enthusiasm in your average NBA arena even gets into the same part of the galaxy as what Izzo sees every game at the Breslin is during the NBA playoffs. Not only that, I bet that Izzo's roots as a small-town kid from the UP means he finds the amount of money he's getting paid in EL just fine.
Izzo can coach at MSU until he retires, and he'll retire a legend up there with Rupp and Smith and Knight. If he goes to the NBA, he's just another warm body ready to get fired after he finds it impossible to deal with the gargantuan salaries, egos and sense of entitlement of the pros.
June 6th, 2010 at 10:53 PM |
Well said. You hit the nail
Well said. You hit the nail
Well said. You hit the nail on the head.
June 7th, 2010 at 6:51 AM |
So what you're saying is we
So what you're saying is we
So what you're saying is we need Coach K to retire and Duke to offer Izzo a whole bunch of money, or some other "crown jewel of college basketball" scenario like that.
June 7th, 2010 at 8:27 AM |
I'm not totally sure that's
I'm not totally sure that's
I'm not totally sure that's the case. Back in 2000 he was offered, and nearly accepted, the Atlanta Hawk job. He might still want to test himself at the pro level. I think he'd want to win a second national championship first, though.
June 7th, 2010 at 6:50 AM |
Izzo is not doing so bad monetarily...
Izzo is not doing so bad monetarily...
http://chronicle.com/article/Bonuses-Pushed-Michigan-State/62636/
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June 7th, 2010 at 9:07 AM |
This Is Just The Ego Of
This Is Just The Ego Of
zillionaire, MSU alum an Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert. He figures he can buy whatever he wants. Izzo would have to be out of his mind to take a post LeBron Cavaliers team. While having Izzo leave East Lansing would be great news in Ann Arbor let's be real. We've watched Izzo for years and he is a great college coach who appears to love what he does. And he has never seemed to be about the money. So why would he leave a great setup at MSU for an impossible situation in Cleveland?
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June 7th, 2010 at 11:19 AM |
If I were a rich-ass
If I were a rich-ass
If I were a rich-ass businessman who owned a basketball team and my alma mater had a guy like Izzo as their basketball coach, that is the last man in the world I would try to hire. Would a Duke alum be stupid enough to offer Coach K? Hell no, he'd probably go after Roy Williams just to piss off Carolina.
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June 8th, 2010 at 8:28 PM |
This has been driving us nuts over on TOC
This has been driving us nuts over on TOC
If Izzo accepts this, Gilbert's going to have some bloody awkward receptions at alumni functions. You don't screw with your alma mater like that.
June 7th, 2010 at 8:14 AM |
Another reason to jump
Another reason to jump
I've heard coaches who have made the transition from big time college sports to the pro level (basketball and football) say that they can focus on the game more and have less to deal with off the court. Being the head coach at any of these big time college programs can be incredibly draining due to the amount of BS they have to deal with off the field/court - alumni, boosters, recruiting, etc. I'm not saying that coaching at the pro level is any easier, just that they can more readily focus on the game itself - that can have some significant appeal to a lot of guys. There's just a different set of expectations form one level to the next.
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June 6th, 2010 at 8:57 PM |
And even then I'm not so sure
And even then I'm not so sure
And even then I'm not so sure I would if I were him. He's got everything set up the way he wants it at MSU. I don't know why he'd leave just to get shit-canned in 3 years or less and have to start over at another program. I can't imagine the money is going to be that much of a motivating factor for him.
June 6th, 2010 at 9:21 PM |
Winning a NBA ring?
Winning a NBA ring?
Winning a NBA ring?
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June 6th, 2010 at 9:50 PM |
this makes some sense
this makes some sense
Succeeding where Pitino and Calipari failed would be quite the achievement for Izzo. At the end of the day what is really left for him to prove at the little brother unless he wants to be the Coach K of the Big 10.
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June 6th, 2010 at 9:55 PM |
Gregg Popovich, Chuck Daly,
Gregg Popovich, Chuck Daly,
Gregg Popovich, Chuck Daly, Bill Fitch, and Larry Brown. Not bad a bad group of guys to want to join.
Okay, maybe not Fitch...
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June 7th, 2010 at 12:15 AM |
Izzo is a lifer for the coaching
Izzo is a lifer for the coaching
Some guys have that sort of sickness where the coaching is all consuming for them. At the end of the day Izzo surely realizes that regardless of the success you have in college you're still second tier to guys like Auerbach, Jackson or Riley (among others). The league, much like the NFL (I'm looking at you, Saban) is the ultimate proving ground for coaches. In Izzo's case, the ability to coach 80 plus times per year vs. 35 times per year would likely be a bonus...that and the 5 million or more per season (and no recruiting).
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June 7th, 2010 at 12:45 AM |
At the end of the day
At the end of the day
"Izzo surely realizes that regardless of the success you have in college you're still second tier to guys like Auerbach, Jackson or Riley."
But how do you know that Izzo's standards for success have anything to do with NBA coaches? Maybe Izzo measures himself against the other great college coaches. Not everybody thinks that the professional leagues are the only measure of worth and success. Does the fact that Bear Bryant never coached in the NFL mean that he's second tier in comparison to Bill Belichek or Bill Walsh? Millions of college football fans down south and across the country would laugh at that idea.
As far as coaching 80 versus 35 games goes, how do you know that's actually a positive? Coaching in the NBA is a hellacious grind, and if I was getting paid as well as Izzo is right now, I hardly think that it's a slam dunk that doubling his time away from his home is a positive.
June 7th, 2010 at 9:01 PM |
Ever hear of that guy at UCLA
Ever hear of that guy at UCLA
Oh ya, John Wooden!
June 6th, 2010 at 10:26 PM |
Won't happen in Cleveland.
Won't happen in Cleveland.
Won't happen in Cleveland. Unless you think they just needed that Scripps National Spelling Bee Championship to turn things around.
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June 6th, 2010 at 8:57 PM |
Pleeeease Take It
Pleeeease Take It
Michigan needs a break in hoops.
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June 6th, 2010 at 9:26 PM |
Michigan needs to make its own breaks.
Michigan needs to make its own breaks.
JB needs to recruit his type of players and win. Izzo going away is not going to make M better than MSU or the rest of the Big 10, JB has to do that.
June 6th, 2010 at 8:57 PM |
I doubt he'll go...
I doubt he'll go...
... but hope he does.
Do Something. If it works, do more of it. If it doesn't, do something else.
June 6th, 2010 at 8:57 PM |
And in Tuesday's news, Izzo
And in Tuesday's news, Izzo
And in Tuesday's news, Izzo signs a contract extension with a pay increase to remain king of his Spartan empire.
June 6th, 2010 at 9:00 PM |
You're more than likely right but......
You're more than likely right but......
............god damn I want that guy to go AWAY!
June 6th, 2010 at 9:02 PM |
Well, consider... if the
Well, consider... if the
Well, consider... if the media got this right and there is a real offer out there, then certainly they have gotten some attention from Izzo, ie interviews and such. I don't think a guy like Gilbert just makes an offer out of the blue. This tells me Izzo must be considering it.
I would love it.
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June 6th, 2010 at 9:06 PM |
Lebron Must Have OK'd This
Lebron Must Have OK'd This
They would never have offered Izzo without running it by Lebron. My guess is Izzo is pretty likeable as a coach too, so assuming Cleveland can come up with enough coin my prediciton is that Lebron is staying in Cleveland.
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June 6th, 2010 at 9:05 PM |
Not happening
Not happening
I wouldn't be shocked if he goes to the NBA some time, but not to a team where one player can push the owner around, not halfway through the offseason, and not when he's got a team with a great chance to win it all after going to the Final Four back-to-back years.
June 6th, 2010 at 9:37 PM |
Most top teams in the NBA has
Most top teams in the NBA has
Most top teams in the NBA has one or two players who are the most important members of the organization.
June 6th, 2010 at 9:06 PM |
I think coming up with the
I think coming up with the
I think coming up with the coin is going to be the easy part of all this.
June 6th, 2010 at 9:10 PM |
There is less chance of Izzo moving to the NBA
There is less chance of Izzo moving to the NBA
than of Texas joining the MAC. Izzo is a college guy, period, and he's smart enough to know it.
June 6th, 2010 at 9:22 PM |
The Chicago Sun-Times is
The Chicago Sun-Times is
The Chicago Sun-Times is reporting Texas to the MAC.
Also, looks like Bob Stoops is deciding between the Cavaliers and Notre Dame for his next coaching job.
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June 7th, 2010 at 11:16 AM |
Sounds reasonable...
Sounds reasonable...
I'm not surprised to hear this, considering that my local sports talk radio guy just said that the Tigers lost to the Kansas City Chiefs yesterday. The Tigers apparently had trouble getting hits against all those Chief blitz packages.
June 7th, 2010 at 4:20 PM |
The Notre Dame Football job...
The Notre Dame Football job...
....right?
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June 6th, 2010 at 9:30 PM |
Izzo is a college guy,
Izzo is a college guy,
Izzo is a college guy, period, and he's smart enough to know it.
Just what does that mean? He's a great motivator, understands the game, and I've never heard of a MSU player that hated the guy. He might not be a lock to win in the NBA, but there are worst hires you could make (see the pistons for more details).
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June 6th, 2010 at 9:35 PM |
What if...
What if...
...they also give him some player personnel powers? It doesn't mention it in the article, but it might be enough to lure him away if he's able to shop for his own groceries. He already has a good relationship with the owner, and the Cavs are looking for a GM.
It might be a one in a million chance, but at least there's a chance.
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June 6th, 2010 at 9:48 PM |
Izzo is too smart
Izzo is too smart
to go to the NBA, where many teams aren't actually run by coaches. One day the NBA will demonstrate honesty and awareness by allowing player-coaches, and then teams like Cleveland with high-maintenance stars like Lebron won't have to have the charade of a coach who just tries to make the star happy.
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June 6th, 2010 at 9:52 PM |
I think Tom is smart enough
I think Tom is smart enough
I think Tom is smart enough to know that he might not get results with his style in the NBA. He needs much more selflessness on his team that he would get in the NBA. In college, his record speaks for itself and the kids he recruits are going to listen to him. It means nothing in the NBA and in the pros, the players hold more leverage than the coaches and I don't think Izzo wants to deal with the big egos of players.
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June 6th, 2010 at 10:01 PM |
Yeah, but none of them built
Yeah, but none of them built
Yeah, but none of them built a monster of a program like Izzo has done. And Larry Brown never met a job he didn't like better than the one he has at any given moment.
June 6th, 2010 at 10:02 PM |
This would be excellent, but
This would be excellent, but
This would be excellent, but he would probably be making a mistake in leaving.
June 6th, 2010 at 10:08 PM |
I
I
I think Tom Izzo should stay at MSU if he knows what's best for him. Lots of good coaches in college go to the NBA and don't do well. I think he's too smart to leave anyways.
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June 6th, 2010 at 10:16 PM |
Mike Gilbert is a MSU alum;
Mike Gilbert is a MSU alum;
Dan Gilbert is a MSU alum; Interesting.
I don't believe for a second that Izzo is going to the Cavs, this is just a couple of spartans getting together to generate some pub for Izzo and MSU.
June 6th, 2010 at 10:49 PM |
Yup, and
Yup, and
Gilbert's in the process of moving his company's HQ to downtown Detroit. Given the connections, there's no surprise Izzy The MIdget is his target.
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June 6th, 2010 at 11:03 PM |
What is his company?
What is his company?
What is his company?
June 6th, 2010 at 11:13 PM |
He owns
He owns
Quicken Loans and Fathead
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June 7th, 2010 at 8:30 AM |
But how would it benefit
But how would it benefit
But how would it benefit MSU? This creates the perception that Izzo might be looking to move on.
June 6th, 2010 at 11:02 PM |
I don't think Dan Gilbert
I don't think Dan Gilbert
Needs more Final Four 'participant' banners flying in the Q at this point in the game. If you really think about if Iowa St. doesnt get railroaded in 2000, were talking about "Choke Job Tom" at this point. Tom Izzo fazes me in the least. Go JB, Go Blue!
June 6th, 2010 at 11:07 PM |
hurp 'er derp. Choke Job
hurp 'er derp. Choke Job
hurp 'er derp. Choke Job Tom?! You've got to be kidding me, right?
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June 6th, 2010 at 11:33 PM |
Like i said
Like i said
In my previous post. If you cant win the big one people will talk, Izzo did win one which have given him quite a run. 6 Final Fours, One Title? I would be happy, yes, but would I expect more success with 6 appearances, yes. Izzo does not scare me nor do I have to go on and on about how I should respect his accomplishments. I am a True Blue Michigan fan and wont waste a single second stroking the rival coach. Go JB and Go Blue
June 6th, 2010 at 11:39 PM |
6 Final Fours and 1 National
6 Final Fours and 1 National
6 Final Fours and 1 National Title. Lets back it down, math style. Assuming each game in the final four is a coin flip, which I don't think is a bad assumption at all given that there is no home team and each team is highly talented, the odds of winning a title each year is 25 percent for each team. So in 6 tries, Izzo should have won 1.5 titles (6*0.25=1.5). Now, since you can't win half a title, I would say that he is right on pace with exceptions, given how many Final Fours he has been to. If Izzo has been to 10 Final Fours and only one a single title...then we can talk.
Isn't math fun?!
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June 6th, 2010 at 11:54 PM |
MSU did have a home game
MSU did have a home game
in Detroit 2009, and lost by so many points people were jamming their fingers in their abaci after each Tar Heel basket. Please adjust your formula and quit drooling on Choke Job T.
Not sure why he would, unless they get a guarantee LeBron will re-sign.
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