Syracuse PG Michael Carter-Williams has declared his intention to forego his remaining eligibility and enter the NBA draft:
OT- Carter-Williams to NBA
Mike Hunt was on my floor freshman year, honest to god. 5th Van Tyne.
I once prank called a guy in the phone book named Harry Weiner, when I was in middle school. Cool story bro?? Am I right?!
Also, if Reggie Bush ever has a son, I hope he names him Harry. If he has a daughter, I hope he names her Anita.
Ok, I've officially managed to channel my inner middle school self.
yelling his name down the hall after a late night at Rick's...
Well we were freshman so we weren't going to Rick's. But that was back when they printed student directories that said your dorm room number, and the day those came out there were literally hundreds of people on our floor coming to see if Mike Hunt was real or not.
It was a co-ed hall?
When you are a lottery pick, you really have to go. Career-wise, a lottery pick has nothing to gain and all to lose by going back to school.
Except for a degree, that is.
With lottery pick money you can go back for a degree anytime you want.
Worth guaranteed NBA lottery money, let me know
ex-NBA players go bankrupt all the time. Might be nice to be able to fall back on a degree in that situation, is all I mean. I'm not saying he should stay, or that I'll judge him harshly if he doesn't. All I mean to say is that saying that there is literally nothing to gain from staying in school might be false.
Unless it is a degree in nursing, engineering, or business, a degree means less now than it has in quite some time. That is why so many college grads are working manual labor or menial jobs.
lol @ "business" being included here.
made me laugh out loud..
so an MD isn't worth it? :-(
Hahahaha... in all honesty though, lottery picks in three years earn about as much as a doctor does in his lifetime. There's no degree at U of M that will net you that ammount.
But people with college degrees go backrupt all the time too, and staying in school an extra year doesn't preclude any player from going bankrupt either. Although the poster above used the words "nothing to gain" I think you know what he meant. There is much less to gain, and the risk outweighs the reward.
If I had an awesome tech idea during my junior year of college and to fully pursue it I needed to drop out, I wouldn't think twice about it. And if I made a bunch of money pursuing this idea and then I blew it all, that's my fault, and my situation would be negligibly different if I had stayed for my degree.
but people who can go from millionaire to bankrupt probably aren't going to fare much better financially just because they have a college degree
Or, instead of having a degree to fall back on if ythey become bankrupt, how about getting a business/accounting degree so they know how to better manage that money. What they learn in college can still have practical applications for an NBA player...
He did get his degree. He went to Syracuse to major in NBA. Not only did he get his degree, he graduated early.
lottery picks are not what they used to be.
Folks harp on the kids and their degrees, but finishing the degree will always be there. An extra year of an NBA career is a bit more finite.
Lottery pick money more than makes up for the lack of degree. The point of going to college and getting your degree is to secure a better financial future - and it's not gonna get any better than being a lottery-pick
Not for the love of knowledge?
Signed, Philosophy majors.
Scouts must have bumped him up a couple spots after seeing the Crab Flop of Death.
I wonder if athletes who leave early can pay for their remaining credits in advance to lock into the lower tuition rates, because it seems to keep on rising.
On another note, if they aren't going to pay the players, I always thought it would be nice if schools offered athletes who graduated with a certain GPAs the opportunity to get a masters/graduate degree for free or at a discounted cost.
I'm actually really curious what you're trying to imply here...? Doesn't have AIDS? Conspiracy about his weight? What're you trying to say with this post?
I can't even begin to express how stupid this is.
Weight gain is actually a common side effect of many antiretrovirals...... you should really read a little before trying to be an armchair doctor. It makes you appear foolish in the eyes of those who actually know about what you're trying to talk about. Your posts are a disrespect to everyone that directly or indirectly has had to deal with this terrible disease. I've seen HIV positive patients of all sizes.
My opinion is that if a kids wants to go the NBA, he shouldn't face any backlash from the fanbase. Most guys who stay either want to move up to a higher salary slot (see Trey's rise from mid-low 1st round to potential Top 10 pick this year) or really love college (hopefully see Mitch McGary).
I agree with you for the most part - I don't think you can be angry at a player for going pro early. Just like it was his decision to come to your school, it was his decision to leave.
However, I don't think you always need to be supportive of it either. I can think of situations where guys leave when they shouldn't or on bad terms or both to where fans just decide not to root for said player now that he's gone.
I was upset when Darius Morris left because I thought it was a dumb decision. I wasn't angry at him, but I decided that I wasn't going to hold him in the same regard as if he had stayed either until he graduated or until he was an actual NBA prospect (not terribly different to how I felt when Manny Harris left, though we weren't as good when he left).
I absolutely see what you're saying and I think in those cases it's because you feel both the team and the player will eventually suffer (which is true in most of these cases). The system has agents, managers, and the like telling fringe prospects "you're definitely going 1st round", they declare and go in the 2nd or undrafted and all those suits disappear as quickly as they arrived.
Not only has the player's school and college team suffered a loss, the player himself was hoodwinked into making a poor decision for his future.
As far as Carter-Williams, it's pretty unanimous he'll be a 1st round pick at the very least, and more than likely a lottery pick.
Oh yeah, I definitely don't think this applies to MCW at all, I was just speaking generally.
I think Darius's decision was actually a smart one. Please don't disparage him by calling him not an "actual NBA prospect" when he's been in the league for 2 years now. He's already proven he was an NBA prospect. Keep in mind that Darius Morris made about $1,000,000 over the past 2 years.
I don't think that you can criticize anyone for choosing the NBA versus college. I do think that you can judge the timing of that decision as well as the assessment of how likely they are to be drafted. We've seen several Michigan players like Darius Morris, Manny Harris, Sean Higgins etc make the decision to go early, not get picked in the first round w/ a guaranteed contract and then not stick long or make any impact in the league. If the ultimate goal is to have an NBA career, sometimes you are better off waiting. Trey coming back probably flipped him from a 2nd round pick to a lottery pick. Every year there are guys who go pro and do not get drafted and never play a game in the league. Nothing wrong with wanting to go to the league but there are only a limited number of spots available and a lot of guys are out of the league by 25.
I thought it was pretty cool when Juwan Howard left a year early for the NBA but still graduated on time.
Good luck to him. This just goes to show how week this draft class is. I've seen several of his games this year and wasn't all that impressed. He's a good player, but I don't think he would be a top 10 draft pick in an average to solid draft class.
First of all, most people don't feel he'll be a top-10 draft pick this year, so although I agree with your last sentence, it's not saying much. He'll probably be the 3rd or 4th PG drafted.
But he's another player who will be drafted on potential. He's a 6'6" PG, which is rare. Might he have a hard time 1-on-1 defending Chris Paul? Sure, but Paul will have a tough time with him as well.
Thank you for clearing all of that up for me! He didn't do anything offensively against Michigan in the final. He isn't that spectacular of an athlete either. I was just simply stating that I had seen him going in the top 10 in several mock drafts.
Ok, maybe I haven't seen enough mock drafts, or at least updated ones. I thought he was projected more in the 15 range.
err "weak". I love my iPhone.
I really question how his 1 on 1 defense will be. Because he is 6'6", everyone assumes that he is a great defender. But because he went to Syracuse, he has never had to defend someone 1 on 1 his whole college career. Wonder how he is going to fare defending the likes of Kyrie Irving or Chris Paul.
Not as high on him as a lot of others. Would have to improve on his shot and put on considerable weight. Not sure he's as defensively sound as others do; the 2-3 tends to make you look better defensively than you might be otherwise. Also seems to be a little indecisive with the ball. Passed up a lot of shots against us.
Also, dude is super ugly.
He has enough money to avoid shoplifting.
The analogy of "if someone paid you $1,000,000 to drop out of accounting school after sophomore year, you'd do it too" undersells the situation because you can be a rock star accountant until you're 80 - but you can't say the same for the NBA.
Well, you can also go back to college when you're 30 and have millions in the bank.
Speaking of Darius Morris, how do you compare him with MCW when DM left for NBA? DM was not short (6'4) and didn't have a great jumper, which seems to me quite like MCW. DM didn't go in the first round, but his year supposed to be a weak draft as well.
We're also forgetting the back-end bonus of leaving early. He will qualify as a free agent for even bigger money a year (or two) sooner, assuming he's a decent NBA player.
If a player is ready to go from a maturity and talent/skill standpoint, then it's usually a good decision to go. The problem is too many kids are not ready before they leap.
I think this is a good move for him. He really was a good player this season and had some outstanding defense. He was one of the few players that really could actually slow down Burke. He didn't tear up Michigan either, but that still shows his talent. I expect him to have a solid career, although he might move around on an NBA roster.
Michael Carter-Williams was an early Player-of-the-Year candidate this season. His draft stock may be as high now as it ever will be, so it’s no surprise that he decided to declare for the draft. It’s way too early to tell whether he’ll have much of a career in the NBA, but since Syracuse's NCAA championship season in 2003, here’s what has happened to the guards from Syracuse who were significant contributors there:
Billy Edelin (never played in NBA; whereabouts unknown); Gerry McNamara (undrafted by NBA; played professionally briefly in Europe and in the NBDL; now an assistant coach at Syracuse); Eric Devendorf (undrafted by NBA; played briefly in NBDL; subsequent stints in New Zealand, Australia and Turkey; currently plays in Ukraine); Josh Wright (played briefly in Europe; whereabouts unknown since arrest in Utica, NY prostitution sting in 2011); Jonny Flynn (6th pick of Minnesota Timberwolves in 2009 NBA Draft; averaged 13.9 ppg in rookie season; later played briefly with Houston and Portland in NBA; All-Star this season and starting guard for Melbourne Tigers in Australian National Basketball League); Andy Rautins (38th pick in 2010 NBA Draft; played briefly for New York Knicks and in Spain; starting guard and leading scorer for Tulsa 66ers of NBDL this season; member of Team Canada); Dion Waiters (starter and second-leading scorer for Cleveland Cavaliers this season); Scoop Jardine (occasional commentator for SNY TV)
1) His friggin' house burned down 3 weeks ago.
2) He's within a year of graduating after this semester and intends to also finish his degree.
Just because he's tall doesn't make him THAT good. IMO he's got to get a lot better offensively.
Just because he's tall doesn't make him THAT good. IMO he's got to get a lot better offensively.