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OT - Cano seeks $305M for 10 years
Normally, a contract demand isn't thread worthy. But we're in record territory here.
"Canoe seeks $305M"?
(I realize it's just a typo, but you'll likely want to fix that since it's in the thread title.)
That seems like a lot of money for a canoe.
by Owen Wilson.
Ok wise guys - Cano.
Can anyone besides the Dodgers pay Cano that kind of money??
I don't even think the Dodgers will pay him that kind of money.
Their goal is to build the team through the farm system/younger players and money was just a way to bring in some talent immediately to bring the fans back.
The goal for 2B seems to be signing Cuban Alexander Guerrero and probably having Mark Ellis hold down the position until Guerrero is ready.
Angels. Boston could but they have Pedroia.
They're already lockedi into paying Pujois a boat load of money for the foreseeable future and it won't be long until they have ante up to keep Mike Trout.
If the Cubs might be willing to pay him the most. They need a franchise player.
I'm not sure Cano is the kind of guy to build behind. He's talented but a bit lazy, take him away from the short right field porch and what do you really have?
You have a perennial MVP candidate and likely Hall of Famer, the greatest second baseman of a generation, who has posted a higher WAR than Miguel Cabrera each of the past two seasons. If that's not enough, he's remarkably consistent, in great shape, and hasn't missed more than three games in a season since 2006.
I'd argue that 2nd base right now is pretty fallow, with maybe 2-3 guys who are consistent performers year-in, year-out. The WAR argument is fine, except because 2nd base is a bit down his "replacement" player inflates his value a bit. To his credit, he's a plus defender.
And maybe it's just being here in NY, but I think people are a bit more down on Cano than his national reputation. He does have a bit of a lazy streak in him, or at least that's the talk.
I'm in NY also and see him a lot. Like a lot of very talented players at least part of the "lazy" talk stems from the effortless way they seem to do things. Cano is a phenomenally talented fielder. Having said that I've seen him fail to run hard to first a few times but you can say the same about most major leaguers these days.
He's certainly a great player, but I think the questions are 1) is he worth more than the multiple players you could get for that $30 million per season and 2) even if the answer to #1 is "yes," how long will that be true? A 10-year contract can become a total albatross.
especially if he goes back to sucking!
This is ridiculous.
it would be beyond stupid for a team to do for a 30 year old 2nd baseman. Having said that, I'm sure many teams would do just that, which shows my sport economics are so screwed up.
I remember when the universe what up in arms because Jon Koncak received a 6 yr $13M deal from the Hawks in '89.
Franchise owners are morons, especially the retarded Yankees. If they had any semblance of a clue, athletes would still be making $3-$8M/yr tops.
A true sign of the apocalypse was when Brandon Phillips of the Reds called $72M a slap in the face because poor him, though in one at bat he was making more than a third world farmer makes in a lifetime, he wasn't getting the 10 yr $200M Voto was...
On the bright side, at least the vast majority of this wealth bleeds right back into society given how little these guys know about saving and living moderately.
I wonder if he'll get anything close to that. All of these giant contracts seem to have blown up in the faces of the signing teams -- ARod, Pujols, Votto, etc. You would *think* that teams would finally figure out that this is a bad idea. Especially the Yankees since they've just been burned by ARod.
Curious why you included him? He was injured a bit last year, but his OPS has been as good as ever the past two years. Teams are definitely pitching around him. I don't think $18M for him is bad compared to others. That said, the final years of that 12 yr contract could be an issue. How many more years left on Pujols? Ha ha ha.
Votto is the best of those three deals, but he'll still be 41 at the end of the contract and earning $25M a year for the last half of it. That just seems like a lot for dude that hits a little above .300 with around 20-25 HRs a year. Yeah, he has a high OBP, but I don't know if that's worth $20-25M a year.
In general, 10-year deals in baseball just seem nuts. Especially when its someone 30 yrs old that's asking for it.
While the Votto's deal is a bit long, the Reds aren't also one of those teams that can go bid on high salary guys on the open market. They almost had to pay Votto whatever he wanted to stay the face of the franchise. That said he should have more inflated power numbers in that ballpark.
... and absolutely worth it. The Cardinals made out like bandits on that one, and were also smart enough to not extend him the next time.
As a Cardinals fan I agree 100%. I really wanted Pujols to finish his career in St. Louis but not for the money he wanted; 200 million was too much IMO, glad the Angels stepped up to the plate and offered even more.
No offers yet, though. :(
The New Yourk Daily News has a nice story with several Cano quotes - HERE.
"Cano says he wants to go over pros and cons with his family before making any decision about where he plays next season, noting, “I want to get advice, because your mom and dad always want the best for you.”
I have to wonder if the discussion with mom and dad basically begins with, "So, mom, dad....if the Yankees won't give me $305 million over ten years, what do you think I should do?" I know this is a question I would love to ask my parents.
I love that the ARod contract is really biting them in the ass right now.
Jay-Z is his agent, he's married to Beyonce, Beyonce said "Go Blue" during the ND halftime show...not OT!
He also plays with Derek Jeter... and the Yankees took Drew Henson away from football with... wait for it... their money. So many connections here that this may be front page material.
Ain't nobody got money for that.
If they give out what they did to an aging Pujols and aging Hamilton, they'll give it to Cano, who is 30.
Nah, nobody is dumb enough to do it three times in three seasons.
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2003: Charles Rogers (WR- MSU)
2004: Roy Williams (WR-Texas)
2005: Mike Williams (WR-USC)
Hmmm, I can't think of any time recently the Yankees have gotten burned by giving someone that large of a contract for that long, can anyone else?
Cano probably couldn't have picked a worse time to ask the Yankees for stupid money.
But I bet they still sign him. They are desperate and I'm tracking the following starters missing in 2014: Mo Rivera, Andy Pettitte, A-Rod (almost assuredly banned for the season), Jeter (Ok, not gone, but might as well be), Ichiro (I'm sure I'm missing a few).
Their farm system is in poor condition, CC Sabathia and Mark Teixeira spent considerable time on the DL... The Yanks are gonna suck for at least a few years.
For crying out loud he is 30 years old! Doing a simple across the board split means he would be making 30.5 million when he is 40 years old which is way to damn much.
I remember reading a story where it was statistically proven that baseball players have the highest likelyhood of juicing (e.g. playing hard everyday) their numbers in a contract year and then coasting along once they get paid. I mean just look at the contracts given to guys like Votto, A-Rod, Hamilton, and of course Pujols....not worth it at all.
A lot of his value is due to him playing 2B. I can't see him being a quality defensive 2B at age 36-40.
I can seek whatever I want in a contract for my weekly picks on twitter from Foxsports, ESPN, or CBS sports. But, that doesn't mean I am going to get it.
...everybody's looking for $305M over 10 years. This is only news if he actually gets
No one will be dumb enough to do that. I think people are learning from the Angels' fuck ups. Mike Trout might be worth it, but not Cano.
I like that it's not $300 million he wants, but $305 million. That extra $5M means everything.
Seems to me that Cano is selling himself short. He should ask for a nice round billion.
At 30 years old? Ask the Angels how Pujols worked out.
He turns 31 in October.
He turns 32 in October too, but he turns 31 this October.
This is the Yankees were talking about here. I agree that there is no way they should entertain this. You can get 80% of the production for 40% of the price.
I hope the Yankees don't come anywhere near that with their offer. I like Cano, but there's no way he's worth that kind of moeny. If he leaves, what are the chances Jeter makes the move to second? I've heard outfield/DH for him, but I'd still love to see him in the field (almost) every day.
I can't honestly remember when one of these 8-10 year contracts worked out; granted I think they're, blockbuster contracts that is, relatively new in the sporting world (ten years?) but the point stands.