OT: Cameroon & FIFA Investigating Potential Match-Fixing by Cameroon

Submitted by sadeto on

A while back I posted a link to a NY Times investigative piece on match-fixing in friendlies before the World Cup. At the time, many doubted this could be an issue in the Cup itself. Well, let's hope not, but the infamous match-fixer mentioned in that report supposedly predicted that Cameroon would lose to Croatia 4-0 and that a Cameroon player would be ejected in the first half. Guess what happened: 

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EDIT: Both Cameroon and FIFA are investigating. 

 

Joseph_P_Freshwater

July 1st, 2014 at 12:05 PM ^

I don't hate it. I just strongly despise the amount of acting that goes on during the game. And don't say it's strategy. It's a bunch of pussies trying to get someone in trouble. I would do the same thing, if I was 5

1464

July 1st, 2014 at 12:21 PM ^

This is stupid.

True, diving is annoying, but it is not like Lebron James, placekickers, and the majority of the NHL do not exist.  MLB doesn't have the chance, as it is non-contact.  Oh, and remember all those stories about NFL and NCAA defenses slowing down no huddle by faking injury.

It's best to not express your point of view when it is that obviously skewed.

1464

July 1st, 2014 at 12:45 PM ^

You point to soccer specifically when you talk about diving, instead of speaking about its effects on other sports as well.  And in terms of off the field issues, didn't the NBA ref scandal register with you?  How about the ridiculous way the NCAA goes about its business?

No offense, but you do not hate soccer because of the diving.  You hate it because you live around a lot of people who have told you to hate it, and are oblivious to the fact that you can't form your own opinion.

bronxblue

July 1st, 2014 at 2:59 PM ^

So your argument is that you hate anything in a "sport" that isn't the platonic ideal of the sport?  The point of all sports is to win, and however you do that within the confines of the rules is fine.  I take WAY more offense to a bunch of guys using PEDs in football, baseball, basketball, etc. than a couple of guys trying to get penalties so that they can win the game.

jmdblue

July 1st, 2014 at 12:46 PM ^

doesn't come close to the hilarity of that in soccer.  Moreover, flopping in these other sports is considered a scar, an embarrassment.  In soccer, it's defended by its fans and considered part of game strategy. I'm enjoying the world cup, but the diving is truly annoying.

1464

July 1st, 2014 at 12:53 PM ^

You paint broad strokes when you say that fans endorse diving.  I, for one, don't like it, strategy or no.

The reason for its prevelence, is that soccer is more conducive to diving.  There are no commercial breaks if you are gassed.  Set kicks are highly dangerous.  There is more contact than basketball.  When is the last time someone made a clean basketball tackle?

There is no exact comparison to soccer in sports.  I believe that diving owes more to this fact than it does to the culture of the sport.

bronxblue

July 1st, 2014 at 3:04 PM ^

I wouldn't disagree completely, but watch an NBA playoff game and I don't see too many guys overally embarrassed by trying to draw questionable fouls.  It's part of the game, and the flopping argument seems premised on a select number of games magnified by a perception issue.  Oftentimes, guys do go down with what seems like minimal contact because they are running full-speed and are suddenly clipped our pushed over.  Maybe they embellish a bit, but if the point is to note to the officials that the defender impeded your ability to do what you were doing, I don't see the issue.  You don't need to play "No autopsy, no foul" rules just to prove your manhood.

Farnn

July 1st, 2014 at 12:36 PM ^

But they aren't trying to get someone in trouble. They are trying to gain a competitive advantage. Just like the charge Morgan took against Tenn, if you want to get the call you need to sell it. I just wish the obvious fakes were called more to discourage the complete dives.

bronxblue

July 1st, 2014 at 2:57 PM ^

Ah yes, the "pussy" argument put forth because a more nuanced explanation of why you actually don't like soccer isn't worth it.  Just say you don't like it and leave it at that - I'm fairly certain any of these "pussy" players could run your butt ragged on the field and are some of the best in the world at what they do.  But sure, it's easy to act like an ass on the internet.

wlubd

July 1st, 2014 at 11:49 AM ^

Hardly surprising if you watched the game. The Song foul, the late fight between teammates and the goalkeeping were all very odd.

Yeoman

July 1st, 2014 at 12:55 PM ^

The original Spiegel article quotes Panumal saying there are "seven bad apples" in the Cameroon squad.

I wonder if the on-field bickering--there were several incidents of it, not just the late head-butt--was between players in on the scam and players that weren't and were pissed at their teammates poor play tanking?

jtmc33

July 1st, 2014 at 11:55 AM ^

Why would these athletes, who make hundreds of dollars when their nation finds the money to pay them, want to fix a game?

 

jtmc33

July 1st, 2014 at 12:25 PM ^

Agree.  And this is also specific to Cameroon.

I mean, the Toledo football team from a few years back:  The RB that rigged games was from Cameroon.

Any guy knocked out in the first round of a boxing match... Cameroon.

utgers basketball team from the 60's... all from Cameroon.  Except the bench guys.  They were from New Jersey. 

Shoeless Joe Jackson.... half-Cameroonian.  (or is it a Cameroonigander?  Camerooner?)

It's a real probelm over there.

jtmc33

July 1st, 2014 at 12:59 PM ^

Your sarcasm meeter is filling too quickly before it sputters.  You need to clean it out so more crap can fit into it ....

To assist... obviously this problem isn't a "soccer" problem just like it's not a "Cameroon" problem.

Even though Shoeless Joe was 1/2 Cameroonaranian.  But that's just coincidence. 

ak47

July 1st, 2014 at 1:01 PM ^

If the match fixers knew that 4-0 was what was published and didn't change it to a new scoreline than they are pretty dumb.

Yeoman

July 1st, 2014 at 1:06 PM ^

It seems to have appeared on a Facebook conversation between Spiegel and Panumal and I doubt anyone in the syndicate would be a regular reader of the Spiegel facebook page.

The Spiegel article's a bit unclear--you could also read it as referring to a private message Panumal sent after initial contact was made on Facebook.

Yeoman

July 1st, 2014 at 1:03 PM ^

...was scare-mongering, I think it's worth pointing out that it dealt entirely with syndicates getting corrupt officials on the field. That would be hard to do in a WC and the particular mechanisms described in the article would be literally impossible because individual federations don't handle match assignments.

Corrupt players is a different animal altogether. And side bets like "Team X to have a player sent off in the first half" is exactly where I'd look.

sadeto

July 1st, 2014 at 1:18 PM ^

Valid point, but the whole premise of the article was that gambling syndicates were trying to fix FIFA matches for profit, and the particular way they did it in the friendlies was via the use of corrupt officials hired by a company set up by a convicted match-fixer (!). Now, the same syndicate is possibly using another method. The premise of the original article remains valid, in my mind: FIFA has a problem, and they may not be very good at dealing with it. We'll see. 

Yeoman

July 1st, 2014 at 3:07 PM ^

...was that "gambling syndicates were trying to fix FIFA matches for profit" it did a pretty poor job of demonstrating it. There wasn't a single example of a match being fixed, or even subject to an attempt, that was under FIFA jurisdiction. They were all friendlies arranged by the national confederations involved, or national-league matches that again are under the jurisdiction of the national federation in question and not FIFA.

That was my objection to the article. Actually two objections: (1) it presented it as if it was new information but we'd known it all for years, and (2) it took known corruption in local federations and a known syndicate that was making use of that corruptionand tried to present it as a specimen of FIFA corruption. Easy enough for the poorly-informed with some rudimentary knowledge of FIFA corruption involving determination of tournament sites, and the vast opportunities for graft profits associated, to make the leap and conclude that FIFA's tournaments were corrupt too.

In the last couple of years FIFA's handed out lifetime bans to at least 100 players and coaches and officials caught fixing matches or accepting bribes. What more do you propose they do? They can sanction a federation, keep Cameroon out of future tournaments. They can cooperate with the authorities to help with criminal proceedings. They can beef up their gambling-odds monitoring system. If they really, really wanted to push the matter they could take action against federations that allow direct involvement in football by gambling institutions, but that's pretty unlikely when you've got state-sponsored gambling on soccer in many countries. (And it's not just soccer.)

Yeoman

July 6th, 2014 at 4:03 PM ^

Tells the Telegraph that the conversation happened after the match, not before, and gives them screen shots of the conversation that appear to confirm this.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/cameroon/10939113/Wilso…

It's the coincidence between the predicted and allegedly-fixed circumstances (the score, the red card) that makes the allegations convincing. If they weren't predictions at all, just after-the-fact speculation that such events could have been fixed, there's nothing convincing in it at all.

Of course the guy's a convicted swindler and it's certainly possible he could have doctored the screen-saves. I guess we now wait for Spiegel to come forward with their evidence.