OT: California High School Girls Basketball Coach Suspended After Massive Win
Bleacher Report story about a HS Girls' BB coach who was suspended after his team badly beat an opponent by the score of :
No doubt the other team was extremely over-matched, but where should you draw the line in high school, college, or even in the pros? How do you balance good sportsmanship with having your team play a full 60 (48, 40, etc.) minutes?
Mod edit: No Bleacher report. Here are some links to other, non BR sources. JGB.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/girls-high-school-hoops-coach-suspended-aft…
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2015-01-15/california…
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January 16th, 2015 at 9:45 PM ^
This is so dumb. 30 years ago people would have told the losing team to "get over it." Now the winning coach gets suspended. I feel like my generation (I'm 17) is the softest and stupidest generation ever.
January 16th, 2015 at 9:53 PM ^
January 16th, 2015 at 11:59 PM ^
There haven't been too many 159-point wins in history. That's because over the years, most winning coaches in lopsided matchups have managed to avoid being complete assholes and have shown a bit of sportsmanship.
January 17th, 2015 at 12:14 AM ^
30 years ago was my generation... and this wouldn't have happened. People weren't so insular to think that 161-2 is a "get over it" moment.
You're right. Your generation is stupid. But not for the reasons you probably think.
January 17th, 2015 at 12:45 AM ^
everyone would have called the game and gotten high together. I
January 16th, 2015 at 10:07 PM ^
January 16th, 2015 at 10:12 PM ^
January 16th, 2015 at 10:13 PM ^
do you only score 2 points? As for the other team, why are they pressing and shooting 3's? The losing team needs to quit being so pathetic and the winning team needs to stop being assholes. There is a thing called winning with class.
January 16th, 2015 at 10:48 PM ^
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January 17th, 2015 at 12:49 AM ^
In my area, ther are usually 3-5 varsity girl's teams who score less than 20 points any given Friday--and even more who lose by 30 or more points. The disparity in team talent in girl's basketball is very common---take that back to middle school or earlier and its even worse.
January 16th, 2015 at 10:44 PM ^
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January 17th, 2015 at 12:57 AM ^
this is your feared slippery slope. [Now I've got to get back to lifting heavy objects and spitting alot.]
January 16th, 2015 at 10:47 PM ^
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January 16th, 2015 at 11:47 PM ^
The way you get around this in basketball is you tell the dominant team to slow it down on offense, eventually only taking jump shots, and play a compact zone around the paint, hands at or below the shoulders. That way the losing team avoids an endless stream of embarassing layups aginst them, and they get off some makeable shots.
The alternative, the bully way, is to play suffocating defense against a physically inferior opponent who will get literally no shots so you can run up a stupidly outrageous score. Obviously that was done here and this person shouldn't be coaching. Whoever it is really should be looking for a job in an office somewhere as a middle manger where he or she can torment some underlings.
Probably the most pathetic thing about this is the fact that the winning team had 6 fouls and the losers none. You're up by that much and you're fouling?
January 17th, 2015 at 9:20 PM ^
I agree with the people that say they should have called off the trap, but six fouls in a half isn't a lot.
But no fouls in a half? That goes way beyond physical mismatch--that's a group that's not even trying.
I was on the wrong end of a few of these in IMs. In January there was only one league and my collection of motley misfits had to play a team that had just beaten the varsity, badly, in a scrimmage (that can happen at a D3 school--a few of them had played varsity as freshmen and sophomores but decided basketball was taking too much time from their class work). They whooped us by 80 in a shortened game...but we were still trying to get in their way, trying to box out, and we picked up a few fouls along the way.
January 16th, 2015 at 11:14 PM ^
January 16th, 2015 at 11:32 PM ^
My freshman HS team that I played on lost one game 63-9 (we were down 40-1 at halftime) and another game 77-20. I thought we were bad...
January 17th, 2015 at 1:29 AM ^
You were right.
January 17th, 2015 at 12:08 AM ^
January 17th, 2015 at 12:11 AM ^
I wouldn't mind if I saw this score as anyone who plays Ped State - 161, Ped State - 2
January 17th, 2015 at 12:41 AM ^
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January 17th, 2015 at 8:32 AM ^
Anyone else seeing the pattern of all the coaches and former coaches in this thread all coming down on the winning coach here? While the keyboard warriors who've never coached a team have no problem with this?
January 17th, 2015 at 10:13 AM ^
I coach Boys hoops now and I have no problem with the winning coach. Sorry if one HS basketball game in early Jan changes these girls lives forever then the parents need to be put on freaking trial here.
All these crazy scenarios everyone thinks should be worked on are hilarious. Just call the damn game if that is the case.
The team they played was clearly poorly coached and did nothing right so I ask, what exactly does the winning team learn if they are passing it around for 40 secs and missing open cutters left and right throughout the scenario.
Sorry I wouldn't want my team missing open players in my offense just to be nice. If they ran offense properly and continued to hit the open guy then that is the defense problem and not mine.
January 17th, 2015 at 12:12 PM ^
Also coach boys hoops. You're right, some of the strategies (shoot jumpers with your left hand?) are stupid and, in fact, harmful to players.
However, can you honostly say, when up 100 points you'd keep a half-court trap on a team that likely could barely dribble and pass the ball?
January 17th, 2015 at 9:15 AM ^
January 17th, 2015 at 12:32 PM ^
The team that lost is winless on the season and had lost an earlier game by 91 points, while the winning team is considered one of the best in the state. So it's not a shock that this was a huge blowout, but the *degree* of the blowout is the surprise.
This game was clearly a huge mismatch and never should have been scheduled. But given that it was, the winning coach could have elected not to run a halfcourt trap with a 100+ point lead in the second half.
January 17th, 2015 at 12:58 PM ^
beat our press. They didn't have anybody with the ball handling skills to do it. No amount of in game coaching was going to change that. They only got a handful of shots off, all from very long range and rushed. They got their only two points on free throws. We didn't run up the score too much, we weren't that great on offense either.
January 17th, 2015 at 12:41 PM ^
A GIRLS basketball team getting beaten that badly? Can you even imagine how much crying was going on in the losing locker room after that game?? The coach for the winning side SHOULD get fired; he/she is directly responsible for a half dozen new eating and/or cutting disorders!!
January 17th, 2015 at 1:46 PM ^
January 17th, 2015 at 9:01 PM ^
He was coaching eighth-grade boys one year and had a really, really good team, and spent the season trying to come up with ways to keep the score down. He'd do things like take away the dribble--nobody's allowed to dribble, at all, unless you need one dribble to get to the basket for an open layup.
Sometimes that didn't even work.
And sometimes the ideas backfired. Once they were up 26-7 at the half. That wasn't quite as bad as some of the games had been, and at some point you have to let your starters get some game experience, right? At that point they'd only had one competitive game all year.
So he split the team into two groups of six, with the best players split between the groups. He took away the dribble, again, and he told the two groups that whichever one gave up more points in their quarter would have to run gassers the next day in practice. (My memory is that he also said whichever group scored fewer would run, too, but it's probably wrong because nobody else remembers it.)
You've probably already figured out the strategy for the third-quarter group--they went out and used up all the fouls, made sure the other team was in the bonus when the 4th quarter started. They won their quarter 16-0 and were pretty pleased with themselves.
The second group went out in a bad mood. No dribble was bad enough, and now a single foul would mean they had to run.
They won their quarter 17-0.
And the other coach was mad. Hell, their scorekeeper was mad, which I remember well because I was keeping our book and got an earful.
What I thought, sitting there at the table watching it all and listening to all the bitching, I couldn't very well say, which was that damn it there's no excuse for being that bad. Their school was twice the size of ours, and they couldn't even put five guys out there that could defend a team that wasn't allowed to dribble??? That wasn't lack of physical talent, that was years of incompetent coaching.