OT: California High School Girls Basketball Coach Suspended After Massive Win

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Bleacher Report story about a HS Girls' BB coach who was suspended after his team badly beat an opponent by the score of :

California High School Girls Basketball Coach Suspended After Massive Win

 

No doubt the other team was extremely over-matched, but where should you draw the line in high school, college, or even in the pros?  How do you balance good sportsmanship with having your team play a full 60 (48, 40, etc.) minutes?

Mod edit: No Bleacher report. Here are some links to other, non BR sources. JGB.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/girls-high-school-hoops-coach-suspended-aft…

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2015-01-15/california…

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michiganman001

January 16th, 2015 at 9:45 PM ^

This is so dumb. 30 years ago people would have told the losing team to "get over it." Now the winning coach gets suspended. I feel like my generation (I'm 17) is the softest and stupidest generation ever.

FrankX

January 16th, 2015 at 10:07 PM ^

Competitive play is not bad. How to remain competitive would be a challenge. Leaders and teachers of kids should be able to figure out a way. Starters on bench, no shots until x passes, etc.

The Dude

January 16th, 2015 at 10:13 PM ^

do you only score 2 points? As for the other team, why are they pressing and shooting 3's? The losing team needs to quit being so pathetic and the winning team needs to stop being assholes. There is a thing called winning with class. 

umumum

January 17th, 2015 at 12:49 AM ^

In my area, ther are usually 3-5 varsity girl's teams who score less than 20 points any given Friday--and even more who lose by 30 or more points.  The disparity in team talent in girl's basketball is very common---take that back to middle school or earlier and its even worse.

SysMark

January 16th, 2015 at 11:47 PM ^

The way you get around this in basketball is you tell the dominant team to slow it down on offense, eventually only taking jump shots, and play a compact zone around the paint, hands at or below the shoulders.  That way the losing team avoids an endless stream of embarassing layups aginst them, and they get off some makeable shots.

The alternative, the bully way, is to play suffocating defense against a physically inferior opponent who will get literally no shots so you can run up a stupidly outrageous score.  Obviously that was done here and this person shouldn't be coaching.  Whoever it is really should be looking for a job in an office somewhere as a middle manger where he or she can torment some underlings.

Probably the most pathetic thing about this is the fact that the winning team had 6 fouls and the losers none.  You're up by that much and you're fouling?

Yeoman

January 17th, 2015 at 9:20 PM ^

I agree with the people that say they should have called off the trap, but six fouls in a half isn't a lot.

But no fouls in a half? That goes way beyond physical mismatch--that's a group that's not even trying.

I was on the wrong end of a few of these in IMs. In January there was only one league and my collection of motley misfits had to play a team that had just beaten the varsity, badly, in a scrimmage (that can happen at a D3 school--a few of them had played varsity as freshmen and sophomores but decided basketball was taking too much time from their class work). They whooped us by 80 in a shortened game...but we were still trying to get in their way, trying to box out, and we picked up a few fouls along the way.

atom evolootion

January 16th, 2015 at 11:14 PM ^

This conversation wouldn't exist if the team that was down by a hundred at halftime somehow managed to channel the same tenacity of the merciless opponent and ran off a hundred points to two in the second half to tie the game. Would it not be embarrassing to go into the locker room up a hundred and end up winning...or losing...at th buzzer? I'm advocating for the devil here, obviously, but that's why coaches tell their players to go until the final buzzer and leave it all on the floor. I mean, look at Central Michigan in their bowl game, down 42-14 at halftime and coming back to just barely lose 49-48 with a chance to win it on a completion for two points. Sports is crazy...

CoverZero

January 16th, 2015 at 11:32 PM ^

My freshman HS team that I played on lost one game 63-9 (we were down 40-1 at halftime) and another game 77-20.  I thought we were bad...

mgoblue0970

January 17th, 2015 at 12:08 AM ^

As a coach, I once outraged parents when our team won a summer tournament and I told the kids they could be proud of their trophy because they earned on the field versus the bullshit participation trophies we hand out at the end of every season... So... I'm a little bit old school and sometimes ass whippings are a part of the landscape... BUT 161-2 is ridiculous coach. Come on man!

FatGuyLittleCoat

January 17th, 2015 at 12:41 AM ^

I truly would like to see that game just to witness how this was done. That's an incredible margin of victory. I'd also like to see the percentage of shots that the winning team made-it'd be crazy is this team made like 60 or 70% of its shots.

Perd Hapley

January 17th, 2015 at 1:13 AM ^

I thought I would share my experience with playing a team extremely under matched. I was head coach of a 8th grade football team. We were very good (mostly the players) but also the coaches. I knew well ahead of time we were playing a team with 0 wins and the previous year our team lost only 1 close game in a 7-8 grade division so I knew this game could get ugly. I wanted to challenge my team and have them use this game to get better and I am not an advocate for giving less than 100%. In this situation a coach needs to think outside the box on how to make his team better and give 100% with out running up the score. To do this I challenged my team by only calling pass plays for almost the entire 1st half. In junior high running pass plays is harder than simply running the ball with a superior team. I also told my QB to not scramble/run for first downs but to scramble and find an open receiver or throw the ball away. ( many parent/fans and his parents would yell at him to run and even said something to him about this during the game) we did not call long pass plays but worked on executing short routes to move the chains. After a quarter and a half the score was 0-0 still after a RB screen was called back for a TD an assistant finally convinced me to call some running plays. I reluctantly agreed and 2 plays and 80 yards later it was 7-0. By the end of the third it was 28-0 with a pick 6 and the third string was in passing ( opposing teams parents were not happy about the passing but this was the best way to get good work in for my players an not run up the score. I learned this idea from basketball in my youth. My dad made us pass the ball to each player 1 time before shooting to get ball movent before someone could take a shot. Coaches need to challenge their players in Unique ways and slow the running of the score up. Side note: I noticed there were 0 fouls from opposing team so I am wondering if the losing team was even capable of guarding anyone or this was a lot of fast break action

CaliforniaNobody

January 17th, 2015 at 1:13 AM ^

You idiots who are calling the coach an asshole have to remember who's playing. I know damn well if I was a benchwarmer and got a whole half to play id play my ass off. If you don't like it, stop it. If you can't, shut up.



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Cold War

January 17th, 2015 at 8:32 AM ^

Anyone else seeing the pattern of all the coaches and former coaches in this thread all coming down on the winning coach here? While the keyboard warriors who've never coached a team have no problem with this?

JT4104

January 17th, 2015 at 10:13 AM ^

I coach Boys hoops now and I have no problem with the winning coach. Sorry if one HS basketball game in early Jan changes these girls lives forever then the parents need to be put on freaking trial here.

All these crazy scenarios everyone thinks should be worked on are hilarious. Just call the damn game if that is the case.

The team they played was clearly poorly coached and did nothing right so I ask, what exactly does the winning team learn if they are passing it around for 40 secs and missing open cutters left and right throughout the scenario.

Sorry I wouldn't want my team missing open players in my offense just to be nice. If they ran offense properly and continued to hit the open guy then that is the defense problem and not mine.

MGoBender

January 17th, 2015 at 12:12 PM ^

Also coach boys hoops.  You're right, some of the strategies (shoot jumpers with your left hand?) are stupid and, in fact, harmful to players.

However, can you honostly say, when up 100 points you'd keep a half-court trap on a team that likely could barely dribble and pass the ball?

Rick Grimes

January 17th, 2015 at 9:15 AM ^

How can the losing team be that bad? Did they even bother to ever make adjustments? Even with the winning team maybe going too far, the losing team should have played at least a little better than the score indicates.

snarling wolverine

January 17th, 2015 at 12:32 PM ^

The team that lost is winless on the season and had lost an earlier game by 91 points, while the winning team is considered one of the best in the state.  So it's not a shock that this was a huge blowout, but the *degree* of the blowout is the surprise.

This game was clearly a huge mismatch and never should have been scheduled.  But given that it was, the winning coach could have elected not to run a halfcourt trap with a 100+ point lead in the second half.

 

Mr Miggle

January 17th, 2015 at 12:58 PM ^

beat our press. They didn't have anybody with the ball handling skills to do it. No amount of in game coaching was going to change that. They only got a handful of shots off, all from very long range and rushed. They got their only two points on free throws. We didn't run up the score too much, we weren't that great on offense either.

FauxMo

January 17th, 2015 at 12:41 PM ^

A GIRLS basketball team getting beaten that badly? Can you even imagine how much crying was going on in the losing locker room after that game?? The coach for the winning side SHOULD get fired; he/she is directly responsible for a half dozen new eating and/or cutting disorders!!

west2

January 17th, 2015 at 1:46 PM ^

shellacking. Have been a coach at this level in another sport-hockey and its tough to call off the dogs sometimes. I like the mercy rule such that once there is more than a 50 point differential the game officially is over and is recorded as say 52-2. Then if there is still a half to play and both coaches agree they can continue the game without posting any further score on the scoreboard. Its sorta common sense and dont understand why either coach would subject those players to that kind humiliation.

Yeoman

January 17th, 2015 at 9:01 PM ^

He was coaching eighth-grade boys one year and had a really, really good team, and spent the season trying to come up with ways to keep the score down. He'd do things like take away the dribble--nobody's allowed to dribble, at all, unless you need one dribble to get to the basket for an open layup.

Sometimes that didn't even work.

And sometimes the ideas backfired. Once they were up 26-7 at the half. That wasn't quite as bad as some of the games had been, and at some point you have to let your starters get some game experience, right? At that point they'd only had one competitive game all year.

So he split the team into two groups of six, with the best players split between the groups. He took away the dribble, again, and he told the two groups that whichever one gave up more points in their quarter would have to run gassers the next day in practice. (My memory is that he also said whichever group scored fewer would run, too, but it's probably wrong because nobody else remembers it.)

You've probably already figured out the strategy for the third-quarter group--they went out and used up all the fouls, made sure the other team was in the bonus when the 4th quarter started. They won their quarter 16-0 and were pretty pleased with themselves.

The second group went out in a bad mood. No dribble was bad enough, and now a single foul would mean they had to run.

They won their quarter 17-0.

And the other coach was mad. Hell, their scorekeeper was mad, which I remember well because I was keeping our book and got an earful.

What I thought, sitting there at the table watching it all and listening to all the bitching, I couldn't very well say, which was that damn it there's no excuse for being that bad. Their school was twice the size of ours, and they couldn't even put five guys out there that could defend a team that wasn't allowed to dribble??? That wasn't lack of physical talent, that was years of incompetent coaching.