OT: Bush Forfeits Heisman
I'd rather see him stripped of it. He must have a good media relations person.
should take notes
just to annoy the Downtown Athletic Club.
He didn't actually give a reason for forfeiting it except to say
Each individual carries the legacy of the award and each one is entrusted with its good name
Yet I don't think the Heisman trophy suffered as a result of O.J. Simpson's later transgressions.
Being a scumbag has nothing to do with OJ's eligibility to play when he won.
I wasn't suggesting it did. What I was saying is that the only reason Bush gave in his statement was about the "good name" of the award and commenting on the fact that Bush didn't admit any guilt or give a legitimate reason for why he was returning the trophy.
kill anyone, rob anyone, do drugs, cheat or anything else. He took money that was offered him. Now, that's against the rules, and he and the team should get punished within the rules. But this meme that Bush is an awful guy is overly judgemental and just plain dumb IME.
...that it was communicated to him he was going to lose it one way or another...this simply is the cleanest way to get it over with.
Since he 'forfeited' the trophy...does it go to Vince Young, like the runner up of a beauty pageant?
It will forever be a non-heisman year.
I'm glad Bush did this. It shows that he's a better person then I had originally thought. It also shows that he knows what he did at USC was wrong and I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't the only one that received a cool 500,000.
I may just be a cynic, but I'm more inclined to believe the people posting above who suggest that it's a PR move to save face after he was informed he'd be losing it. My opinion of him hasn't changed at all because he's forfeiting it rather than having it taken away.
Yea, I agree. It's not just a coincidence that the committee had their monthly meeting this afternoon and that evening Bush gives up the trophy.
"Fuck that...I was the best player that year full stop. And fuck Vince Young, we would have beaten him if Lendale coulda dragged his fat ass out there for one yard. Can't unring a bell, and I ain't giving this bitch back. Now where's Kim?"
USC's appeal is looking worse every day...
This just seems dumb to me - Bush had a dominant season and was recognized for it. I know he is doing this for PR, but I'm also fairly certain that he is being pressured to do so by the DAC. To think that nobody else that season received benefits or violated other NCAA sanctions is myopic, and I'm sure if you went through the long lines of major award winners you would find individuals who should also forfeit those awards for cheating. To try to erase the past simply by turning over an award is an attempt to cheapen history instead of just acknowledging that it happened and the attendant circumstances.
I feel the same way about guys like Barry Bonds and Mark McGuire - they might have cheated, but put just an asterisk next to their accomplishments and move on. They still put up those stats and set those records, and it is disingenuous to retroactively expunge those accomplishments just to maintain the veneer of "wholesomeness."
Hmm, next time you get caught by the police for speeding, just try telling them that "a lot of other people do it".
Doesn't matter if everyone else is doing it, if you get caught, you get the punishment.
If he gets to keep the Heisman, then everyone except the guy that commited the "crime" is punished (e.g. the entire USC team, fans, etc.).
Bush should send a check for about $5 million to USC to start his mea culpa (are you listening CWebb?)
My point wasn't that other people probably broke the rules; my issue is with the notion that Bush should return the Heisman because his transgressions need to be "expunged" from the history books, that him winning the Heisman on the field somehow tarnishes the legacy of the award because he should have been ineligible. History exists to remember the game as it was for that year, warts and all. Recognize that Bush should not have been out there, that USC broke the rules, and move on. Trying to erase that team and its accomplishments seems foolish to me.
I can't seem to find him in any of the record books.
I actually see a distinction between Bush and McGwire and Bonds, which is why I don't think he should have to forfeit the Heisman. Those other two cheated on the field. Bush didn't do anything on the field to gain a competitive advantage. Yes, I know he should not have been eligible and thus played, but I think it's a little naive to assume that none of the other Heisman winners ever took money or ever took steroids or HGH. I think I'd have a bigger problem if he took performance enhancing drugs.
Part of the issue, though, is that he is not an eligible Heisman candidate, so he can't be a Heisman winner. Heisman candidates need to be eligible NCAA athletes to even qualify for the award, he has been found, after the fact, to not have been eligible. So, again after the fact, he doesn't qualify to win the award.
I understand and agree with everything you're saying. The thing with revisionist history is that no matter how you rewrite it, you can't change what we remember. Technically USC's national championship in 2004 and all it's wins in 2005 didn't happen. But you ask everyone and they'll say USC won the NC in 04 and USC beat ND via the "Bush push" in 2005. You can take the Heisman away from Bush, and even give it to Young, but everyone will remember Bush hoisting it five hears ago.
I would even say RR has hired a good PR firm this summer.
Was their advice -- just win RR, just win.
Man, if you had told me in 2005 that Reggie Bush was going to lose his Heisman and only put up 25 yards in the Super Bowl but still have team win the game, I would have said...
OH MY GOD SOMEONE TELL JASON FORCIER NOT TO TRANSFER AND UNSCHEDULE APPALACHIAN STATE.
....Something tells me there should be a Kardashian joke here, but I am not capable of producing one....
Reggie Bush just keeps losing Big Busts.
I +1'ed you, not because of your joke, but because of your own acknowledgement that it wasn't very good.