OT: Browns fire head coach
Surprised Lions haven't announced anything.
Schefter said this morning on NFL Countdown that there's a chance that Schwartz could be safe. I sure hope he is wrong!
Who actually thinks Schwartz is gone as already forgotten how long it took the ford's to fire Millen. Schwartz will be back.
They just don't want to buyout the remaining 12.5 million on his contract and pay another coach. I heard something last week and I don't recall where but they said we were the only organization to not have a profit last year.
With revenue sharing and a salary cap that is very difficult to accomplish. I remember an article about the Bengals a long time ago that said 77% of their revenues were from profit sharing in the league. Luxury box revenue stays with the team that's why teams made the big push for new stadiums with luxury boxes.
would owe Schwartz $12.5 mil speaks of how screwed-up an ownership the Lions have. Who the hell else would even consider agreeing to half that much of a buyout for an unproven coach such as Schwartz?
Is it typical of NFL HC's to have that kind of contract leverage?
It's not a buyout, it's just the rest of his contract which the Lions owe whether he's coaching or not.
I think the uninspired, pathetic loss to the Vikings today could be enough.
you root for better draft position. losing today was first good thing to happen to lions in weeks
Oh no doubt I want them to have better draft position. I have just never thought intentionally losing is a good thing. So I don't appreciate losses, even when it "helps."
I figured based on the buyout, but losing the last two games of the year against pretty terrible teams should have led to Schwartz's dismissal.
You are surprised that the Lions have not made the obvious move any sensible team would make in a seconds?
He should land somewhere as an OC though.
He should land in Washington with RG3 after the job he did with Newton.
I mean, it depends on who they hire, but that could be an interesting combo
As a Panthers fan I have no idea what you are talking about. Cam was awful last year. When Chud got the head job at Cleveland last year I literally ran around my classroom cheering like an idiot.
Would love that move
This is absolutely stunning news. The first I heard there was anything resembling unhappiness with Chud was a couple of days ago and it's escalated fast. For a guy without a decent QB and having to play with his #1 RB traded I thought he did pretty good. Even last year's draft we swapped picks with the Steelers of all teams to get additional picks in 2014 and gave up our 2013 selections. So everything seem pointed at simply tanking this year to get the QB they wanted in the draft and between the rookie and Hoyer (who did pretty damn good in the 2.5 games he played) it seemed to me like they were simply executing a plan to give up on 13 to get ready for 14 in a big way.
I'm shocked. I sure hope they've got somebody lined up and ready to sign whose a BIG step-up cause I'm baffled as to what they expected the guy to do with the hand he was dealt.
Hadn't heard of anything like this either which makes one wonder if the "brain trust" in Berea soured on him or feel he lost the room or equally likely that they have a candidate coming available.
Being the Browns, however, I expect them to colossally screw up.
So this really is as absurd as it sounds, and there isn't some secret bad information I've missed that makes this logical?
Because I spent most of the season admiring what a great job Chud was doing, how incredible it was that he was getting his players to play and compete in bad circumstances. The way they came out and beat the Vikings right after it appeared that management had given up on the season was astonishing.
And really, what could he do? When your best-case scenario for most of the year is Jason Campbell at QB, and he keeps getting hurt, how are you supposed to win?
I think this is a travesty. And Chud should get a good chance to coach somewhere that actually has sense. I just lost a whole lot of respect for Browns management. Like a Modell-level drop.
"right after it appeared that management had given up on the season"
I had a completely different reaction to the Richardson deal. It was the first really good sign in a long time--a clear indication that they were willing to honestly evaluate what they had instead of tying themselves up out of concern for sunk costs. As far as I'm concerned Richardson is a replacement-level NFL back, and nothing that happened at Indianapollis changed my mind. Getting anything for him at all was a bonus.
Maybe today will turn out to be more of the same. I'm willing to wait and see what the next move is, at least.
How do you fire a coach after you give him Brandon Weeden and Jason Campbell as his QBs, and trade away the starting RB? The guy had a lot to do with developing Cam Newton. You would think a team that is going to be drafting a QB would want to keep him around.
Yes they were 4-12, but they beat Cincy and almost beat NE. All that with without question the worst QB and RB combo in the league. And that is on the GM, not the coach.
Dang, for real? I know the Browns sucked this year but I liked Chud. It's not his fault he was stuck with Weeden. I don't get how 1 year is enough to kick out a coach and is probably why they keep sucking.
Infighting and locker room stuff, I think the front office wasn't happy with something beyond just the product on the field. That Brown's job is an interesting one, they could challenge for the playoffs if they can find a Qb. They have holes, but they have enough studs sprinkled throughout that team to make them dangerous.
You're probably right and of there is infighting then get rid of him. They are a capable team.
5 pro bowlers and probably six with TJ Ward being an alternate. They need to find a way to resign both he and Mack.
I'm really hoping the draft Sammy Watkins but they'll probably take a QB.
I can't wait for the Lions to fire that clown Schwartz. Almost surprised nothing has been announced yet. So much talent on that team and he can't get them to the playoffs with the division their for the taking is ridiculous.
I am pretty surprised the Browns fired Chudzinski given the circumstances, though.
You cannot be serious, Mr. Haslam. Your handpicked successor to Shurmurball is the wrong pick after just one year? What changed in the last twelve months? Did you expect six wins instead of four? Was the Richardson trade not to your liking?
I can't support this team anymore. I'm out. This is completely unfair to Chudzinski and unrealistic given where the franchise has been for years.
Surprise! 2013 was not the year your favorite sports teams reversed trends decades in the making.
A name that Cleveland is rumored to be interested in is ..... Josh MacDaniels.
Like a punch to the soul dong of every Browns fan.
Why must we know such pain?
It's also on the twitters that the Browns might be interested in Schwartz, should the Lions decide to let him go. Strange but true!
And who says the Lions is a job where coaches go to die?
This is the straw that broke the camels back? Not the decades of losing, poor drafts and terrible QBs and coaching?
buys the Browns for $1 billion, an observer expects that he has a coherent plan for fixing the franchise. We were treated to "six-hour-meetings with Chip Kelly" in the media. Instead he settled on Chudzinski. I'm OK with that, and he had a nice three-game winning streak while Hoyer was still playing. Then Hoyer hurt his knee and the year tanked. I had hope for the future with Hoyer back or a good QB in this year's draft and coaching continuity. How many times did Shurmur beat CIN or BLT? We may switch from a 3-4 back to a 4-3 AGAIN.
I was of the mindset that Mangini should have been retained, but Lerner was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and could not tell talent from a hole in the ground. I'm just incredibly frustrated. It's not a rewarding activity. I should be spending more time on serious things that improve my earning potential. I enjoy football more when I check the scores after the game is over anyways, and I'm not jumping on the SF or Denver bandwagons.
The SI Story quotes Chudzinski some and also speculates that the next Browns coach might be an internal move (LINK).
In an interview earlier in the week, Rob Chudzinski was quoted as saying:
“We’ve played well coming into games and starting games and have had good starts and started fast, and we haven’t been able to maintain those leads. Each week, it’s for different reasons. So that’s the difficult thing is to pin one thing down. When you can pin it down to one thing, you can fix it. Sometimes you fix one thing and something else pops up.”
At the end, they theorize that either Norv Turner or Ray Horton could be promoted.
Wow. Just wow. If that's true it means that one or both of them must've been sticking Chud in the back cause neither unit covered itself in NFL glory this season. As much love as Horton gets in the media I thought the D underperformed given the talent assembled. And as stated multiple times - how was Chud suppose to field a competent offense with Brandon Fucking Weedon as your QB? Chud's team looked pretty good during that brief stretch when Hoyer was running it that's for sure.
Unreal. As they say around here.....O.I.C.
O.I.C. = S.O.L. amirite?
If you look up "Retread" in the dictionary, you will see Norv Turner's picture.
Final win in SD.
Any chance Borges might be interested? He could be a great candidate for the job.
Afte one year. He did OK given the talent level. They were solid on defense most of the time.
Any chance the Lions go after him now to develop Stafford?
Ok my bizzaro year in football hell continues. Not only are multiple sources reporting that Chud is definitely out and it will be official tomorrow a new name was just added to the Browns "wish list" as their new HC in addition to Josh McDaniels and BoB.
Ready for it?
Jim Schwartz (if the Lions fire him)
You just can't make this shit up. You just can't.
That's probably the reason he is being mentioned.
Actually they are referencing the Lombardi connection in reference to Schwartz but you're probably right. Either way it's unreal.
There simply HAS to be some major, major bad stuff going on behind the scenes that hasnt come out yet to explain this. Everything the Browns did this year pointed to a team tanking it for a better draft pick. Everything.
Unpossible, but then we're talking about the Lions and the Browns.
Hell, maybe the Browns and the Lions should trade head coaches.
^^This. Best trade the Lions will ever make.
Not sure which organization is more stupid, the Browns or Lions. I thought Chud did an okay job this year.
Belichick flopped in Cleveland, won big in NE.
Pete Carroll got canned quickly in NYJ, then, after USC, is doing well in Seattle.
Al Davis fired Wild Eyes Shanahan, who won two SBs in Denver
Gruden got pushed out (sort of) by Al Davis before winning in TB
Cleveland has been a wasteland for coaches. Even for Butch Davis.
One year?? Banner can go fuck himself, I hope Haslem ends up in jail where he belongs.
Hey assholes, Bess, Kruger, Mingo, McFadden, Desmond Bryant, all front office moves that produced nothing. Look in the mirror.
OP can update the thread title now. They just fired Chud.
were barley worse last year than in 2011 or 13, you cant blame him for 2012 and not give credit for 2011 at the same time. Really his numbers through 3 years are almost identical. The difference this year is the defense is awesome. Panthers are also scoring almost the same amount of PTS per game as the past two seasons.
Josh Gordon is an absolute monster and Jordan Cameron's pretty fun to watch, but that team is going nowhere if Doopy Pantz gets any more playing time.
I'm glad I know so many Browns fans. It makes it easier to be a Lions and well lately Michigan fan.