man, I really want to dislike Tebow, but I can't. He is so damn clutch. I just wish he wasn't so in your face with his Christian views.
OT: Broncos a contender?
I mean I'd be pretty in-you-face with Christian beliefs if God was allowing me to quarterback and NFL football team and actually win games I have no business winning.
I cannot believe you got postive votes for this comment. Such a bigoted thing to say and people here up vote you...
How is it bigoted to say "I wish he wasn't so in my face about his religion"
That's not a comment on his religion at all, it's a comment on his behavior
I wish people would stop acting so gay in public...
according to you this statement is fine, right?
"I wish people would stop acting so gay in public..."
Not even the same thing, One is a comment on Tebow's behavior and that weak attempt is a comment one's sexual preference, which is not a behavior. I am going to stop right here because I have a feeling we are going to into a innate trait vs. choice argument.
Yes, sexual preference is a behavior. Pretty much anything done by a human being is a behavior. The difference here is that Tebow is obnoxious about his professions. Gay people, as a "people," are not. Certain individuals, perhaps. Not the entire group.
There will always be a level of expression deemed appropriate on a public level.
Translation... my opinion is the correct opinion, and if you don't agree with my opinion you aren't entitled to have your opinion. Very classy.
Since we are talking behavior, what behaviors make Tebow obnoxious in the way that he makes his professions?
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know what I said would cause you or others to cease thinking.
Mostly the way he uses his position to promote his religion. The especially public promotion of his religion. Nobody is trying to watch Pat Roberts when they turn on the Broncos game. I'm not keen on especially public homosexuality, either. Or especially public heterosexuality. Or especially public sexuality in general, come to think of it.
And it returns to what I was saying before. There will always be a degree of public behavior deemed socially permissible.
Well that post goes against every peer reviewed article on human homosexuality. Sexual preference is a settled in the womb, not by choice despite the delusion of ignorant Christians who think they can change homosexuals.
that you do not believe you are a bigot.
How am I a bigot for not buying the fairy tale that one's sexuality can change? I am sure for not having faith and requiring actual physical proof before I believe any line of thinking. I equate the line of thinking that sexuality can change along with the belief the earth is flat and humans did not impact global climate change. I find the statement that sexuality is a choice to be very ignorant. Funny how this line is only pushe by evangelical Christians that want to butt into other people's personal lives. Live and let live, how hard is that. I am amazed someone called 10 year supporter and volunteer for the human rights campaign a bigot. Thanks for taking my posts out of context. Learn some fricken reading comprehension.
FYI, non-Chrisitians express bigotry and religious slurs almost on a daily basis from Evangelical Christians. I find it laughable when the majority spiritual belief in America cries of bigotry and intolerance when their figureheads in the press bash those of the GLBT and non-Christian communities on an almost daily basis.
Bigot-one who regards or treats the members of a group with hatred or intolerance (Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary)
Bigotry-intolerance towards those who hold different opinions than oneself (google.com)
It is clear by your word choices that you are intolerant of "Evangelical Christians" thereby making you a bigot. You can be amazed that i called you a bigot all you want, I don't know what kind of wonderful activities you have on your resume, nor do I care. You have clearly displayed a dislike for a group of people which screams bigotry. That is all the evidence I need. I didn't even have to take your post out of context to draw that conclusion.
I never said I had anything wrong with evangelicals or Christians (my entire family is a mix of Catholic and episcopalian.
And the same message can spouted off at evangelical christians who preach love and preach and then calling anyone not sharing their beliefs a bigot or anyone in the GLBT community a f*ggot. The reason I hold so little respect for evangelical Chrisitians was when a group of pious individuals called one of my friends (transgender) a f*ckign f*ggot who is going to hell.
Behavior does not equal choice. You are fundamentally misconceiving what I am saying.
But brains behave and therefore sexual preference is a subset of human behavior. This is not difficult.
I agree from a basic information processing point of view. However, there are certain preferences for which decisions we will make which are innate. Sexual preference is innate and cannot be changed.
I'm going to stop replying because we've been very close to the politics border in this discussion, but c'mon man. There is nothing fine with your statement. What is "Acting gay?" I never said I had a problem with Tebow "being" Christian. I don't want to me Evangelized, or Missionized. That's all.
How is it bigoted? Please tell me? If you know me in person you would know I am perhaps one of the most accepting person when it comes to diversity of religion, gender, race, and sexual preference. But yeah lets throw out a random bigot claim. Wow....just...wow...
I personally believe one's religious beliefs should be private. I don't want to be evangelized when I watch Monday Night Football. If I did then I would watch the 700 Club with Pat Robertson.
I respect the hell out of the medical work the Tebows has done in Africa and it makes him a great person.
"I don't want to be evangelized when I watch Monday Night Football."
I'm going to use that line.
True colors coming through. Keep it up.
Here's the deal: Everyone should have the right to speak their religion, from Christian, Muslim, Jewish, whatever. The free market of religious expression should not be stopped. We should embrace the expression. Why? Because we are born free men to choose.
I don't fear religious expression by anyone, including some pagan voodoo person. I do fear stopping anyone's ability to profess their faith.
then the inverse must also be true. if I don't want to hear about your religion, I'll ignore you. everyone can have the right to express themselves, everyone has the right to not listen.
/just saying. let's keep this civil. this is not meant as a personal attack at all.
Exactly. Tebow has the right to express his views and I have the right ignore them. We live in a great country.
I wish gays would stop being so in your face about it.
I wish blacks would stop being so in your face about it.
I wish muslims would stop being so in your face about it.
I wish hispanics would stop being so in your face about it.
According to you saying these things is perfectly fine as well. It is bigoted whether or not you and your buddies think it is or not.
All of those attributes (except being a Muslim, although many would ascribe to being from a Muslim family) are not choices, they're attributes. Nobody 'chooses' to stop being gay or black or Hispanic without some form of absolute denial about their hereditary and genetic identity. Nobody is 'born' a Christian.
A more effective comparison would be 'I wish Republicans/Democrats, Ohio State fans, Beliebers, and Snooki weren't so in my face about it.'
Annnd my first sentence was a real winner. Of COURSE attributes are attributes!
Michael Jackson says otherwise about the choice of white or black.*
With that said I miss that guy, got a little weird at the end of his life but the music speaks for his awesomeness.
*I know he had a skin condition to start with and thats why he did it.
You are not that bright are you?
You just took my original post and turned it around it around into a strawman fallacy. Nice try. I didn't mean any of that and you know it. I am not going to reply to you again because frankly people with attitudes like yours are not worth it. Have a great day and go blue.
Agree completely. Tebow has a right, according to the First Amendment, to express what he believes. If people don't agree with what he says, then that's fine, they don't have to.
may not have been the right word to use.
but to dislike someone, and no one can deny that there are people that do not like Tebow because of his openess about his faith is like being a bigot.
that is fine of you personally think a person's religion should be kept private, but it really does not matter what your personal opinion is on how a person should handle their faith.
Honestly, I thought the comment was pretty tame. And to be fair, it isn't so much Tebow who throws his faith in people's faces (I mean, yeah he does that kneel thing and talks up his faith a bit in interviews, but nothing egregious), but all of the talking heads and hanger-ons who harp about it ad nauseum.
The brilliance of this country is that both Tebow and the OP are allowed to make comments about religion and its existence/prevalance in various mediums without fear of reprisals or condemnation.
It sucks that instead of being able to enjoy seeing a guy massively overachieve expectations, the whole Tebow story has devolved into Team Red v. Team Blue political nonsense.
I'm not Christian, and I found this article very interesting: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7369021/fair-game
I'm a Christian and I completely agree with the article (If I read it again, I'm sure I could nitpick something), but the general idea is correct. Props to Tebow for being confidenct about his faith, but I personally am not the same "type of Christian." Tebow and his family and very comfortable being public with their faith and probably have no problem talking to a stranger on the street about God. That is not my style. I don't evangelize until I get to know somebody because, well, I feel it's more likely to have an impact on them and we would gain a better understanding of each other. I'm not one for judging (ya know, don't judge lest you be judged and all), but I'm also a man and total depravity of mankind means I'm a POS and can't do anything about it, so I'll go ahead and say this. I think Tebow is doing more harm than good for Christianity. When "Tebowing" became a thing, he should have stopped doing it. His praying suddenly became more about him rather than about God. Not his fault, but that's how it goes. Contrary to some beliefs, you can talk to God without bowing your head and closing your eyes. He is all-powerful, so I think he can still hear you. I don't have a problem with people criticizing him and his faith because people criticize everything about everybody. The Bible says that Christians will be persecuted. And if this is the hardest persecution he ever faces, he doesn't really have any problems.
I will make a statement about the Phil. being 95% Chrisitian. I was in Guatemala this past January, and it is a predominantly Catholic country (like all of Latin America) but many I talked to there were non-practicing religious individuals. If you asked them if they were Christian, they'd say yes, but they didn't ascribe to many of the beliefs of their professed faith and didn't practice. I've never been to the Phillippines, so I can't say what it's like, but just like the article pointed out, there are many types of Christians. Some practicing, some not. So evangelism can still be done in that country, and in a big way I'm sure. Just like every country. But I will also say that my biggest pet-peeve about the church body is that there are too many groups. For example, people seem to be more about being Baptist than they are about being a Christian - holding onto their denomination over everything. There are a few fundamental beliefs that are hard to debate, the rest is just conjecture for the most part.
Everything above is JMO, and I'm sure some Christians and non-Christians will disagree with me. But I was just giving my perspective. Mods, understand if this will be deleted, as lengthy discussions about religion probably aren't preferred board topics.
stand on this issue?
If he doesn't live out his faith he'll be criticized for hypocrisy. If he does you bash him for being die hard about it. He could not win with you merely because he is a Christian.
No. If he wants to "spread the faith" while on a mission trip or something like that, he has every right to because he's there to talk religion. If he's on National TV, he needs to keep it to himself. He's not there because of what he does/does not believe, he's there to play and talk football.
Religion is like a penis. It's fine to have one. It's fine to be proud of it. But don't whip it out in public and try to shove it down my throat.
The media is in your face about it. Hard to believe so many people on this board are against Tebowing when in reality Tebow copied it from Denard (okay, maybe not but you get the point; both of them publically display their faith with on-field gestures).
As for the Broncos contending - if Tebow beats Tom Brady I will be distraught. That just cannot happen. Our boy Brady, one of the greatest QB's in NFL history, cannot lose to a shotputter, even a shotputter guided by destiny.
Meh... I'm a Tebow fan... but winning this game doesn't make them a contender. They're not in the same class as the Packers or Saints.
The Broncos stink. No way they come within 2 score of the Patriots. The Steelers had half of their defense injured in that game.
to pull the trigger. Tebow pulled it. Tonight he was that good. And man, Champ Bailey and that defense were stout tonight.
I feel like Denver pulled out all the stops on this one and it will be difficult to replicate. However, I have been wrong many, many times before.
The dude wins games. Can't count him out if Jesus is on his side. It's like Angels in the Outfield.
....but you apparently cannot deny the man's psychological impact on the team, ability and statistics notwithstanding for a moment.
The Broncos D is not bad, but the Patriots D is better than theirs.
The Broncos D is not bad, but the Patriots D is better than theirs
The Pats' defense is awful. Just awful. Hard to believe the Broncos' D is worse.
yea I'm wondering if he said that right.... Broncos D is actually decent and Pats D is, well as you said, AWFUL
I have a question for the football expert...
If the Broncos D is so much better than the Pat's D.. why did the Broncos D give up ~50 more points over the season?
why did New England allow 850 more yards than Denver? EIGHT HUNDRED and FIFTY YARDS.
As far as points, that stat actually does kind of surprise me. But I guess when Denver played GB,DET, and NE they all went crazy on them. NE didn't really play a great offense like GB, DET, or NO
Do you really belive NE has a better D than Denver?
I don't believe NE has a better D, but I don't claim the Patriot's defense is attrocious either. The Patriots defense is a little below average(as scoring #s show) and it looks worse because they're often playing with a lead. Gaining a ton of yards per possession and putting the other team in a crappy field position (thanks to Zoltan too) also help the scoring numbers/hurt the yardage numbers.
The Patriots are my team. But I do not agree that their defense is better than Denver's. Hope you prove to be right.
Even though the Broncos defense is better by 11 places (20th in the NFL compared to 31st), the differences in individual categories in the bottom tier of the NFL defensive statistics are not insurmountable, and it might be a crazy thing to say, but I think the New England defense is underperforming. In several somewhat vital categories, the Pats are actually a smidge better. Regardless, I sense an unimpressive performance by both teams. I'll watch regardless - I need to put off the end of football as long as possible.
and the only reason I want them to win any games is to stick it in the face of all the conservative NFL football types, 'can't win with option', etc.
But Steelers lost almost their entire d-line before or during the game. Think about that. They are not contenders, though they get congrats to winning as many as they did and taking out the hampered Steelers.
They will suffer mightily at the hands of the Pats, who smite merciless and unforgiving. "And the right arm of Brady came down upon them; and..."
it will be off the charts for the Broncos-Pats.... Brady vs Tebow...the old new guy versus the new new guy... Michigan versus Florida (for us, at least)... the guy with the european supermodel versus the all-American Christian... it's going to be ridiculous.
South American supermodel....
Isn't Gisele from Brazil?
Tim Tebow is proof that God exists... and that he enjoys fucking with us.
the proof you are speaking of is found with the duck-billed platypus.
I'm sure if there is a higher power who can control our lives he would care much more about an NFL football game than 25,000 starving african children dying every day from disease/starvation. I'll get negged for this comment, but We need to remove things that don't exist from Mgoblog.
Does that mean we're not allowed to reference Tacopants anymore? And speaking of more things that don't actually exist, we should NEVER, EVER propogate the stupid idea on MGoBlog that CRAIG JAMES KILLED FIVE HOOKERS WHILE AT SMU.
On the Tebow thing: There are plenty of actually bad people in the NFL. I get that Tebow can be annoying. I'm a Christian and I'm sick of hearing about it too. But if you really want to turn your anger towards something, isn't it a waste of time to dispel what you believe to be a fairy tale? Here's a couple of people that should REALLY rankle us all:
1) Michael Vick. Has everyone forgotten about the whole barbaric treatment of animals bit?
2) Leonard Little. Not sure if he's still active somewhere, but double manslaughter while intoxicated? yikes!
3) Ray Lewis. Who knows if he ACTUALLY is a murderer, but we do know that he obstructed justice in a murder case.
So yeah. Beat Tebow on the field and we won't have to worry about hs off-the-field (or post-score) antics.
but I can't bring myself to hate him either, for some reason. Probably because I've been a big Broncos fan since I was a kid.
There's no reason to hate him. He's not in your face about his religious views. Everytime I see his religious views, it's of the media showing taped instances of Tebow speaking to people in prison, or helping out children in southeast Asia, etc. Sure, he thanks Jesus, but he never is telling the camera or directing the media to go to church.
I'm not a Tebow or Broncos fan, but I don't understand all the resentment. He's a good kid. He works hard, doesn't get into trouble, and is involved in the community. In my opinion, that makes him a great role model for a lot of young kids.
It's not really his fault its more or less ESPN and the national medias fault. They blow him up and try to get him to be this big icon, but really all theyb are doing is waiting for his fall. That way they can point at him and say this is why he is not good. I don't know about anyone else, but I also get a little annoyed with the people in Denver who defend him so much. It's like people calm down hes not a bad person and I actually think hes a phenomenal athlete, just not a great QB. Put him on the Lions, Packers, or even Saints I dont know if they win half their games let alone make the playoffs.
Steelers injuries determined the game. By a lot.
Broncos are a playoff winner, so yes, they're a contender for teh AFC, especially since NE's defense is suspect. I don't think they'd beat GB or NO, but hey, i with their defense, Denver could definately make it to the Super Bowl. Thing is, Tebow played well and that pass in OT was picture perfect read and throw. He makes a couple of those against NE's defense and NE's OL doesn't hold up to Denver's blitzing, Denver could pull off another upset.
I'm rooting for Tebow. He's taken more crap for his QB play than all the Rex Grossmans, Trent Dilfers and Colt McCoy's of the world put together x 5. Forget his faith, that dude gets absolutely railed by everybody with a microphone for the unforgivable sin of not having a traditional NFL throwing motion. How dare he!
He also gets loved more than all those guys as well. His jersey is the second most sold this year.
I'm sure Tebow wil do great when he gets his shot at the patriots... Oh wait that already happened. How'd that end up again?
If you didn't like ESPN before you will hate them now. It will be the Tebow Network for at least the next week.
In general I've always disliked the NFL(since Barry Sanders left) after tebow I really hate it. just glad I was in orlando for coach carr's last game. Henne outplayed tebow that day and thats the way it should be, go blue!
I can actually see those other teams doing some damage in the playoffs. I did not forsee the Broncos even competing with the crippled Steelers.
Drew Brees the best passer of all time?!? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Inside a dome maybe! Give all those receiving targets, that rushing game, that offensive line, and that defense to Tom Brady and I think he breaks 5.5k yards.
Everyone slobbering over Tebow, etc. and how he did this to THE BEST DEFENSE IN FOOTBALL... remember that that "Best" defense in football was missing Casey Hampton (the nose tackle and biggest run stuffer. They committed safties to stop the run after he got hurt) Brett Keisel (their best or 2nd best lineman) Ryan Clark, their deep safety (think a good deep safety would have helped? No offense to Mundy but Clark was the steelers' leading tackler) and Woodley wasn't at 100%, nor did he play that many snaps.
Imagine the Michigan D without Martin, RVB, Kovacs, and Ryan. That was what Pittsburgh was playing with tonight. (And Pouncey/Molk, but I'm talking about the defense.)
So that's 4 starters out or severely limited on the Pittsburgh Defense. I'm not that impressed with Tebow being able to beat that D over the top.
That said, injuries are part of football, etc. There were more on the Pittsburgh O, and the Broncos D as well. And the Pats' D is terrible. But I think the Pats' O can outscore the broncos in a way that a hobbled Rothlisberger without his center couldn't.
quit hatin. just give the man props for winning the game. regardless of who was hurt. u still gotta win the game and thas all that matters.
I'm not sure how much Denver's success is tied to Tebow. They started winning when he was "given the reins" but part of me thinks they could have been just as successful with any change at QB. To his credit, he doesn't turn the ball over much (and when he does, they get destroyed).
I wouldn't say I'm a Tebow hater, but I end up rooting against the Broncos because I'm sick of hearing about him. He's a game-manager that was a great college QB. Nothing more IMO. Credit the guy for seemingly being a nice guy, but he gets more attention than is warrented. I don't think he's the long-term answer in Denver, but I've been wrong before.
I didn't see this live, but in his interview pregame Tebow had a "mark" on his lip
Is that a cold sore? Is that herpes? My twitter feed blew up pregame
Dry lips buddy.
That or he took some rough hits in practice. I would side with cold dry air.
I live 2000' above Denver and don't have one of those. That's not from the cold, dry air. That's a cold sore. It's probably from a toilet seat!
No, it's called herpes. It was big and fresh last weekend and looked nothing like a split lip.
I'm glad Brady gets to face Tebow rather than the Steelers, injured or not. Better than having to get through them and the Ravens D.
The Steelers played right into the Broncos' hands by being so aggressive on defense. Even with the missing DL guys, they should have forced the Broncos to grind out long drives. Eventually they would have forced them into passing situations, and Tebow is the league's least accurate passer. Instead they got burned deep repeatedly.
This is the third year out of 4 that the "what the hell are these guys doing in the playoffs?" team has won at least 1 game. It was the Cardinals in 2008, the Seahawks last year, and now the Broncos.
Im still a Tebow hater even though he did step it up today. Even though he can only win in OT or in a close game I guess a win is a win. I want to say Pittsburgh was a battered team going into the game but I wont. (See what I did there? haha)
Either way lets see what Tebow can do against Lord Brady next week. I have to think Lord Brady will dice up the Denver D to win by atleast 1. Which is guess all that matters Tebow fans right?
he could of won in regulation if whillis magahee didn't fumble it.
So called "analysts", such as Colin Cowherd with his Romo-lovin ways, will find some way to rain on Tebow's game. Good for Tebow and all the hard-working Broncos, but rooting for Brady this Saturday.
so that Denver has the need to find a backup QB that matches his style of play. Denard matches Tebow in many ways with the exception of size. Denard would look good in Bronco Blue!
Interesting. Two true runners/passers on the field at the same time.
... Big Ben loses, it's a good thing. I couldn't imagine a greater contrast of individual morality and I think the good guy won tonight.
from Pittsburgh. Broncos hit a buzz saw next week though. Rides over, Timmy.
--A Bronco fan
I like Tebow. I'm a big Patriots fan (from Boston area) and I'm interested to see what will happen. Last time we faced them, Hernandez, Tebow's teammate at Florida, had a monster game. The Pats' defense is horrible. I will be the first person to acknowledge that. I've been frustrated all year by it. They've been better as of late though.
Despite the awesome pass rush that I expect Denver to generate, I don't know if they can stop Gronkowski and Hernandez. I'm not sure, but IIRC they had Bailey on Gronkowski, which, while it worked to slow Gronk down, opened up Hernandez and Welker. Furthermore, the Pats ran the ball fairly efficiently (they averaged 3.9 per but that's partially skewed by Brady's QB 6 QB sneaks). I think the Pats can put up the points again.
It's in Foxboro. It's a night game. I always like our chances in this situation. I hate snow, but I wouldn't mind it. There's something about Foxboro and snow that seems to just work.
The BS of "Steelers were hurt" is nuts. Steelers stacked the box to make Tebow beat them with his arm. He did, and why wouldn't they assume that based on Tebow's last 3 games. It's similar to what VaTech tried to do against Denard. How'd that turn out for the Hokies?
Golden rule: He who owns the gold rules. Second, never underestimate your opponent.
But, the Steelers (assumedly) had to stack the box because 3 of the front 4 were hurt. I still disagree with the gameplan (like someone else said above, make them grind out long drives), but you can't say that injuries weren't a huge part of this game. The Steelers had over half a dozen injuries in very huge positions - Roethlisberer, Mendenhall, Pouncey, Woodley, Hampton, Kiesel, Clark.
You tip your cap to Tebow because he beat the defense that the Steelers put out there. But to say that injuries didn't play a role in the defense that they did put out there is pretty short-sighted
is for the Bronco's to win with this unconventiial offense. NFL coordinators are as a whole the most uncreative and inflexible grop of supposed smart guys in professional sports. As a longtime Lions fan, I miss the days of the run and shoot tearing up NFL defenses. There are so many good college players, especially QB's, that if an NFL team actually built a offensive concept around him instead of trying to force the guy into an offense that they can't run, they's have success. That's why I love what the Broncos are doing. Tebow won a shitload of games in college and was a successful player and the Broncos' OC should be given as much credit as Tebow in just accepting tebow's limitations and trying to play to his strengths. I rooting for Tebow not for Tebow, but for the Cliff Kingsbury's, Timmy Chang's, Joe Hamilton's, and Doug Flutie's of the world as well, who tebow's success is a surrogate for.
Yards. After. Mundy.
This was the type of game that home teams win - Pittsburgh made enough snafus that they let Denver take an early lead, then hold on while the hometown cheered them on. They'll be out in the 2nd round, but give Tebow another year learning the position in the NFL and he may turn into a completely average NFL QB who wins a couple more games than he should - that would be a pretty amazing career.
Tebow is in the news a lot but actually he is only one of two big QB stories this year. I don't mean Cam Newton - who lived up to his hype. He really can play and his ability to run and run with devestating effect should make the Carolina Panthers a team to watch next year.
The other story is Alex Smith at San Francisco. Until Jim Harbaugh showed up, he was a regular top ten member of the Biggest NFL Busts lists. And now the 49ers are in the playoffs.
QBs are very important in the NFL but it is still a team game. There is still defense, special teams, and the running game.
Maybe the take home lesson from this season is that a team can be pretty good in one aspect (e.g. QB) but that won't win a championship. Likewise a team could be weak in one aspect (like the QB) but if it can work around that (play great D, solid special teams, run the ball) - a team can still be a winner.
Looking back, we've actually seen this receipe before here at the U. We've had teams which didn't have a great QB but had a great defense, good running game and solid special teams; these have won the B10.
I don't know but at this point I would not bet against Tebow.
Anybody recall a QB who put together a string of three games like the ones Tebow closed the regular season with but who didn't get the hook? They ate Brian Griese alive in this town for a lot better football than Tebow gacked up in the last month.
Tebow did fine against the Patriots, he just stunk it up against the Bills and Chiefs.
Steelers have always been weak in the secondary, it was the LBs and the DL that killed you. Now that they are aging look for some TNT to blow that up and start fresh.
As long as you have a D and can run the ball you always have a chance.
But no I don't think they are a contender. Tebow was great in college and only good in the NFL. The Bronco defense is what keeps bailing him out for the most part.
listen to this crap for one more week when brady and co. destroy denver since they won't have that thin air advantage.
Still (and will always) hate the UF Tebow. Not so sure about the NFL one.
All he do* is win.
This is what happens when Peyton Manning sits on the sideline, next year things will be more normal. Lol
60% of the time it works every time, Broncos have no Chance but I love watching them run this offense in the NFL.
Tebow will win because the pats can't beat anybody in the playoffs