Peppers at 10, which seems low.
OT: Brian Kelly - considered by MSU or UM?
So, he was a Michigan based coach who had a lot of success at a lower level (like Tressel). Why don't I remember him being discussed for the MSU or UM vacancies recently? I have heard rumors about things (like cover ups for players), but those are without support AFAIK.
Don't get me wrong. Hoke is great. I am just curious because my ND friends ask me.
I'll take your word for him being in that video. I simply couldn't stomach any more of it beyond the first 30 seconds or so.
Given his past success you can't say this is a fluke. That said, I agree that I would not want him at Michigan. Not a good representative of the University. I suspect many ND alumni are conflicted with this season.
...but when one of your wins hinged on a missed FG atempt in OT (Pitt), another hinged ona controversial goalline stop against Stanford, and that's just two cases off the top of my head.
Maybe not entirely a fluke, but they definitely are damn lucky as hell.
And now they get to play USC without Barkley. I guess it is just their year.
Yep fluke is the wrong word - they have gotten their breaks, hell if Michigan kneeled on every play in the 2nd quarter rather then Denard throwing 4 consec INTs I think Michigan wins that game by 10, but a lot of games every year are decided by 1 or 2 plays and this year they fell for ND. Hard to go undefeated no matter what luck you have since usually a break goes against you. It is sort of sickening but it is what it is.
" I suspect many ND alumni are conflicted with this season."
I doubt it. Winning has a habit of making all the bad get swept under the rug quite nicely. Ask the cheaters at OSU.
Yep. Plus their frame of reference is Charlie Weiss.. He's a dick. Alumni at ND really like Kelly, actually.
Yeah, because everybody knows Bo NEVER got angry on the sidelines.
He was already at ND before the Hoke era started.
He may be referring to 2007. He was one the names on a lot of people's list as Lloyd's successor. At the time, I was actually surprised he wasn't considered by UM. Glad we dodged that bullet.
Edit: CRex beat me to the punch.
Because he's an asshole.
Took the words right out of my mouth, that's what I was about to post, verbatim.
Dantonio was hired in '07 when Kelly wasn't a commodity coach, and he was already at ND when we had our opening
As I recall, Kelly was interviewed for the MSU position in '07; I had the strong impression at the time that the interview had gone poorly but I no longer remember why I thought that. Anyone remember anything? Message board rumors, AD comments...anything?
Not sure what happened with the interview, but Kelly was head coach at CMU and GVSU before that, and Dantonio was much more experienced with bigger programs (DC at OSU, HC at Cincy) and already coached at MSU before. Kelly ended up taking Dantonios job at Cincy.
He was considered to replace Carr but his never made the short list. MSC and others felt his personality was too abrasive/he was too much of a bastard. He gets a line or so of mention in 3 and Out.
He was on the "secondary" list after the first group of contenders. The Mad Hatter and Rutgers coach were the top 2; then after being rejected they still went looking so BK was not a serious candidate except in the media. The talk about BK is he is all about BK... and abrasive.
Kelly was perfectly well qualified to be considered, but was ruled out because of his personality. MSC and others were very conscious of how the coach's personality would reflect on Michigan (fergodsakes). I believe MSC's quote was that Kelly was determined to be "an objectionable person".
Les Miles was eliminated at that time, and was never seriously considered for the same reasons.
Say what you want about RichRod's on field success, his behavior was befitting a Michigan coach.
And we can now see that personality/ behavior was one of Hoke's "pluses" as well.
This is Michigan Fergodsakes! We don't like coaches who wear visors or turn purple from screaming at his players. The guy is a grade A asshole IMO who has caught a lot of breaks this year to be 11-0 at this point. Brady Hoke is 10x the coach ( and person) he is.
I remember being extremely happy MSU passed on him for Dicktonio
This is truly fantastic.
He was supposedly blacklisted by Michigan either for a bunch of little reasons or a couple of big ones. I seem to remember some rumors that he used to call Michigan's backups and try to poach them and tell them they could get instant playing time if they transferred to GVSU. Also he's kind of a dick.
I've also heard some rumors he managed to piss the Harbaugh clan off during his time at GVSU. Which was impressive due to the fact the Harbaughs (Jack and John) had moved on to Pitt right as Kelly was starting at GVSU, so somehow with little overlap he managed to piss in their cheerios.
A lot of people in cincy told me he wasn't considered because his of what he does when he's away from football. Apparently he loves strip clubs.
Oh boy. I smell a PhotoShop/gif thread spawning from this suggestion.
How is it exactly, that Notre Dame was willing to overlook that little nugget? I'm not saying you're wrong, I have no idea either way. That just seems really odd to me.
Five years of this:
When I see Kelly on TV, I always imagine him sounding like a really bitchy queen. Like evil Nathan Lane or something. Didn't imagine him to be a strip club guy.
We actually value our video staff.
Dude, a kid died, man. I know we don't like rival coaches and all that, but witty one-liners about things that are just tragic, are still tragic.
Yeah, I think his point was that Kelly is an asshole who let a kid die. It's not just a witty one-liner, its the truth, and anybody who would ever want that scumbag coaching at Michigan values football over human life.
Cold hard truth. The fact that he'd let that kid stay up there in those conditions. Fuck him. He can win 5 national championships, and I won't regret declining to go after him for a second.
Question, since this issue is up again, where has it been shown that Kelly had a role in deciding that the videographer should go up in the tower with the bad conditions? Always wondered where this was established and would like to know. Thanks.
If he says "the weather seems pretty bad today. Get those guys own from there." it happens. Even if he's not thinking about it the responsibility lays at his feet. Video guys aren't going to complain that they're scared, or their hands are frost bitten, or anything because they're afraid of the head coach and his reaction. With Kelly's...demeanor....I imagine it's probably worse than most places.
One-liners aren't approriate, but it's a valid point. That and the LIzzy Seeberg case are both things that I really don't think would have flown at UM
Re. those things not flying at U of M I think you're right and it's super disturbing that flew at ND. U of M is a secular institution. It seems like a religious institution would hold themselves to the same level of morality, if not a higher one.
Not trying to stir up religious discussion or anything but that's just the truth.
Stuff like that is immoral no matter where it happens but the fact that it happened at ND also makes it uber-hypocritical.
Yep. Can't imagine any scandal happening in a Catholic institution.
I don't think anyone should be negging this. It was a valid point/question.
biggest asshole post ever.
He has some captain in him.
Not a Michigan caliber coach.
Who is the Brian Kelly you speak of?
One season of success is not a vindication of greatness. I'd take hokes poise and relationship with his players any day. Go blue
and also left his team at GVSU. Guy is a loud mouth goofball. His response to the CMU bar fight homicide.... Deceased student camera operator..... Random Karma follows this guy around.
Remember that time when it was real windy and Bryan Kelly was all like hey go up in that crane anyway and then that kid died and Kelly gave a statement that didn't even really try to sound upset because his only concern was limiting liability?
Seems like he woulda been worth a shot from UM.
That's pretty sad when one takes Dantonio over Kelly because of character issues. I guess Dantonio sucks less.
In order for that fable to apply, wouldn't he have to be something that we desired? I think it is pretty clear that he is a good coach and that he is a dick. Perhaps he would have been a better hire than RR, but then Michigan might not have ended up with Hoke or guys like Denard.
That being said, I for one am really looking forward to Alabama's riveting 3-2 win over ND in the NC game. Should be exciting stuff.
that's funny to watch.
But I said it before, the dude has been remarkably successful everywhere he has coached. And he is a good recruiter. I don't think anyone took ND seriously this year, but there they are.
I want them to lose to USC so bad, but we all saw today that USC is a team that is spoiled rotten by their coach, and just going through the motions. Their receivers don't block. And the Trojans don't play defense anymore.
When Pete Carroll and Nick Holt left, USC's defensive intelligence fell off a cliff.
That's the key. I'm guessing the high school talent on the defensive side of the ball isn't that far below what Carroll was working with, but the results are a lot worse. Lane is going to have an interesting decision at the end of the year since his dad is the defensive coordinator.
Those who assert he's just a one-year wonder are fooling themselves just as much as those who think Meyer can't coach.
Out in the world, when someone is being hired for a management position, a "beet-red temper that's funny to watch" isn't generally considered a positive.
College athletics is probably the only area of society left where one isn't supposed to even think about how the person you're about to employ is likely to treat the people he's being hired to manage. Even if you're hiring someone to lay the axe to a division, you expect him to do it professionally.
I dislike Brian Kelly for the same reason I can't stand Notre Dame so it's fitting.
I hate Notre Dame because so many people (and very frustrating to see this in Michigan) like them for the dumbest reasons like "They're Catholic!" or "They're Irish!" or "Remember when they were great??"
I don't like Brian Kelly because people go "Oh I root for Notre Dame because Brian Kelly used to coach at Grand Valley and Central.
He had some play as a fallback candidate for internet people who wanted to change the program's culture, apparently he was not considered at all by Mich:
"Not gonna get even a cursory look."
Kelly had replaced Dantonio at Cincy just one year before and done well. I can't find where I read he was persona non grata at Michigan thanks to something from the GVSU years. From the start of the search it was Miles, then a handful of BCS coaches who turned us down. Brian shot down lots of rumors about Hoke that were coming from former players. If RR hadn't come along and M went with a MAC guy, Hoke seemed more likely than Kelly.
Too much sketchy stuff with that dude. Student video guy, St Mary's girl suicide, CMU homicide cover up, Banging secretaries at CMU. No thanks
Without an "o" in his name, he had no hope of adding to the UM dynasty.
Rich rOdriguez was acceptable???
ElliOtt didn't have a great run, either. I've made peace with the RR years and thankful Kelly isn't in AA. Onward with Hoke.
Is having a great year - yes. But let's not assume that "we missed out" just because it looks likely he'll play for a NC.
Just because a Coach is having the typ of year he is having, doesn't necessarily mean that he is head and shoulders above everyone else. Sometimes in College Football the chips fall properly and you get lucky - it's true for every team. Sometimes they don't, and your record reflects that you are not that good, even though you might be.
Look at Gene Chizik - Dude won a NC in his first year at Auburn, now he's on the chopping block.
I think Kelly is a good Coach because he has a track record of winning elsewhere. You can say that for a lot of Coaches - Hoke and Dantonio included. But just because Kelly is staring down the barrell of the NC Game doesn't mean he's necessarily better than Hoke or Dantonio, for example. I think all are good Coaches, although I'm partial to Hoke - partly because he is OUR coach, but also because you can visibly see that he is a good coach from our product on the field.
There are only a handful of Coaches that I would put in a class by themselves, or perhaps even only two - They are Nick Saban and Bill Snyder.
Every coach knows the drill--an interviewer lobs a softball and you're expected to do a bit of PR for the university that employs you. "Coach, tell us about the work you're doing with the fundraiser for Mott." "Well, Jim, we're happy to help out any way we can--the work they do over there is amazing. It puts football in perspective and reminds you what the University is really all about."
Or maybe you talk a little bit about the story you'd seen in the student paper about some great thing that happened that week at the law school, or the engineering department...anything at all, really. You're just proud to have the opportunity to work at such a great institution.
In the run-up to their Sugar Bowl three years ago I heard Kelly interviewed on the radio in Cincinnati and they tossed him one of these--not as specific as my example, because as far as I know Kelly wasn't visibly involved in any volunteer projects or fundraising, but something generic like "talk to us a little bit about the University."
And Kelly proceeded to talk at length about how happy he was to have been able to put the University of Cincinnati on the map.
Wrong answer, Coach. The purpose of the exercise is for you to do public relations for your employer, not for you to disparage the history of your employer to glorify yourself. I wish I had a sound file of the interview--it really was worse than I've described it here but I can't remember exactly what he said.
Ask Brian Kelly a question and he'll tell you what's on his mind. And what's on Brian Kelly's mind is Brian Kelly.