Spirit is going to try a carry-on baggage fee of 45 bucks. They will still have the regular fee for checked baggage as well.
OT: Brian to hate Spirit Airlines even more?
... along with the misfortunes of our fearless and hairy leader, are surely enough for me to never ever ever ever give Spirit my business.
You just don't mess with the voting and economic power of the MGoBlog.
That is the biggest crock of shit I think I've ever heard about airline policy. Unreal.
I used to fly Spirit fairly regularly (cheap flights to FL), no more.
...is use of empty space inside the airplane. Next step: dunking each passenger in a tank of water at the gate and charging $5 for every liter of displaced volume. Because you are taking up space that could be used by valuable oxygen molecules.
if the average ticket price drops by $30, and then you have to pay $30 for an overhead carry-on.
I meant that if the ticket price drops by $30 then it is a wash for someone to buy a ticket and carry-on a bag, and a win (savings of $30) for somebody to buy a ticket and not carry any bag on.
The real issue is how much the total flight experience costs, when adding in meal costs, rewards programs, baggage fees, ticket price...
If Spirit just keeps ticket prices the same, but charges $30 for a carry-on bag, they will lose a lot of customers.
Yep, that's how math works.
I just received an email from them today stating that they were rolling out "Penny Saver" fares, with tickets selling for 1cent on select destinations, beginning Aug 1st. My wife and I are looking to going to Orlando, which was one of the "Penny Saver" fares from Detroit, I almost booked, and now I am going to think twice, because it truly isn't any cheaper.
then it probably is cheaper.
In reading the linked story, it states that though the fare of the ticket will be reduced, Spirit will be adding the additional fees on the back end, to basically make it a wash. The "Penny Saver" fares are to get you to book, when it is all said and done, with the numerous fees Spirit continues to tack on, it will be just as expensive, if not more so to fly.
Mr. Garrison also flies Spirit.
LOL $15 billion bailout. Oh 2002 how I miss thee.
Spirit Airlines to begin weighing customers at check-in, charging extra fees for being a big fat-ass.
Horrifyingly, airlines have been looking into effective ways to do this for years. I would not be shocked at all if sometime in the next 5 years you have to step on a scale just like your bags when you check in for a flight.
They should. Wait until you are sitting next to someone that needs 25% of your seat in addition to their own, and you can't put down the arm rest because their fat ass is literally blocking it, and saying something just seems so rude. Like, what are you going to say?
I DIDN'T FUCKING PAY TO CUDDLE WITH YOUR FATASS?
I don't think that's an option.
Coming soon to a Hallmark shop near you.
Yelling at obese 50 year old women is something I'm just not capable of.
I was imagining a guy, a woman would be more uncomfortable.
Edit: I know this pic has been posted all over the place, but would you really be able to just quietly accept this guy sitting next to you? It's a very real safety issue for one thing, dude blocks the entire isle.
It's weird, I've seen tons of women needing more than one seat in coach, but the comparable, really big guys tend to be in first class more often.
They ALWAYS have window seats and early boarding, prohibiting the arm rest from being lowerable. It's totally premeditated. It puts the onus on starting the inconvenience on me, because I'd have to ask to put the arm rest down when it's clearly not possible. I'm a tall guy, I need my whole seat.
Since I travel a lot, I typically hope that the person next to me is an attractive young lady, since if you are on the same types of business flights, you probably have at least a couple things in common. Nothing quite as dis-heartening as seeing a pretty girl in a row that's about where yours is, then realizing she's in 12, but you get to cuddle the whale in 13. JOY!
Where's the armrest or should I say butt-crack rest?
Maybe he can cover Tate's blindside.
Just sneak a big juicy cheeseburger onto your flight and eat it right in front of her, moaning about how good it tastes. Upon finishing, complain about how fat you feel because you ate that delicious burger, and just keep reiterating how fat you feel. Work that passive aggressive mojo.
They actually should, but it might not go over too well. One dollar per pound over 200, counting everything you've got with you sounds about right. It would really simplify the process too. Instead of having the industrial scale behind the counter, you just need to step on it to check in.
I'm a pilot, and weight really matters.
I care less about weight, because a 215lb athlete probably fits in his seat and doesn't need 25% of mine. A 215lb, 5'3" person though, spilling into my seat is just bullshit.
Make them buy two seats, preferably next to each other.
Instead of a scale, maybe passengers could pass through a cardboard cutout of a person. If you don't pass through it because of your fat ass, you would have to pay more.
at least this small to ride the ride.
Or maybe a giant set of calipers.
If Jake Long was sitting next to you, his shoulders would probably be in your face, because he is huge. What would you do then? Would you complain, or take it like a man?
Personally, he's Jake Long. He can sit wherever he wants, I don't care if he spills over into my seat space.
The 5'3 person though, I agree. Get two seats.
Wrestle them for the seat. If they're in good enough shape to beat you, then they deserve it.
Well, I'm tall, so it would be shoulder to shoulder, which is totally fine if someone that is athletic happens to also be on the plane. It's more about gross leg and ass fat creeping up 25% of my seat and I can just feel the jello.
TL;DR - Shoulder to should is ok, assfat-to-leg is NOT.
If Jake Long is sitting next to me I'm wondering why he's flying coach after all that guaranteed money he got
I know I wouldn't complain if a 300+ pound NFL lineman was next to me. I like not getting the shit kicked out of me by 300+ pound NFL lineman way too much.
You need to think about shoulders. I fly a lot of smaller jets (like the regional ones) and what I tend to notice are not just how plump butts spill over, but how shoulders of above-average men absolutely, positively, do not fit in the space allotted.
It's not a matter of their girth--this can be a factor for fit men as well. You can't tell a guy like that to just shape up--unless you were going to suggest limb amputation at the collarbone. It's not his fault he doesn't fit in the seat.
Say exactly that. Exactly. Ask the stewardess if you can kindly be moved to the section where people who aren't due for a massive coronary at the first turbulence sit.
It only seems to happen to me on full flights. One of which I was rebooked onto because Delta sucks, otherwise I wouldn't have a middle seat.
Besides, it's a lot easier to be a gigantic asshole in my head and on the internet. Try saying it on a plane full of people and you'll get dirty looks and shit that doesn't make it worth it. Besides, how do I know the whale isn't somehow connected to my client? It's highly, highly unlikely, but it's not a chance (no matter how small) worth taking.
Hmmm, I came off as pro fat ass there. Which I most certainly am not.
I've been squished next to whales before and there is literally nothing worse than the horror of watching someone waddle down the aisle and thinking "please don't sit next to me" over and over.
That's one reason I like flying Southwest: if you're smart about it, you can complete a row next to a smaller person so you know there won't be any surprises coming later.
Even better is completing a row to sit next to an attractive young coed. Now that's flying!
I prefer the fact that if you're within the first 2/3rds boarding on the plane you can almost always get an exit row seat with southwest. Most people want their aisle or window seat, whereas I want leg room since i'm 6'4".
Yep, that is literally the worst thing that there is.
Put your armrest down the instant you sit down. If they don't fit, that's their problem. If they say 'can you move the armrest' just shake your head and put your arm on it defiantly.
I would endorse that move.
Bags fly free people!
Charging for carry-on bags based on the fact that they 'slow down the time for people to leave the plane' is such a bullshit reason. These will be great for all those people who only travel with a backpack or briefcase, all 10% of the flying population.
Although Blazefire I would actually approve of 'larger' people paying more.
If the first checked bag was free, this would make sense actually. From a scheduling sense, this would speed boarding/de-boarding by a good couple minutes. No more people with gigantic fucking bags that were too cheap to check them trying so hard to fit in the overhead after they had last zone boarding, then having a flight attendant gate check the bag anyway.
Spirit is a dumb airline that flies only to leisure destinations for people that are too stupid to do basic math. Unless you get one of those $9/$19/$49 fare deals AND don't need to check any bag (or carry-on now), it's not much cheaper than flying Southwest or United or USAirways or w/e.
You have hit upon my preferred system. First checked bag free, but pay for your carry-on. If you want the convenience of being able to have your bag when you leave the plane instead of having to wait at baggage claim, and the knowledge that no one is rifling through your bag or losing it, then pay the carry-on fee. Otherwise, check your first bag for free.
It makes a lot more sense to make people pay for something that actually offers them value than what they do now -- people preferred to carry on even before they made you pay to check a bag.
First checked bag free would be nice, but you know people are going to pull bullshit and have a gigantic 150lb bag to check so they don't have to pay a carry on or 2nd bag fee.
If you try and idiot proof a system, the system will just make better idiots.
Bags are (on most airlines if not all) limited to 50lbs, after that you pay an overweight penalty.
Also, you could try leaving the snakes at home.
Agreed that it's annoying that the baggage fees have caused everyone to try to cram everything they own into the overhead bins. Strongly disagree that it's people mis-behaving that's causing the new fee. This is a money grab by Spirit, not anything else.
Who brings a medium sized duffle bag filled to the brim with clothes that I can easily shove into the overhead compartment (even on tiny ass puddle jumper planes I'm talking 2x2 or 1x2 here people). I then also have a backpack. I also take approximately 10 seconds to leave the plane.
So why the hell should I be punished I'm probably faster at planing and deplaning than most people on board. And honestly your fucking jacket can either be behind y ou on your seat or underneath. Never ever EVER should a jacket go in the overhead compartment.
He's clearly not talking about you.
Edit: By "jacket" he means "suit coat" most likely. That's not something you want crammed under a seat, and it's too hot to wear on the plane.
If you only bring as much as you claim, I have no problem with you. I agree with the other posters about hating people who bring way too much carry-on though. Lots of people bring on giant bags, or 3 or 4 bags and take up all the room in the compartments.
Nobody ever enforces the size limits or quantity limits on carry-on baggage. After the London liquid thing, there was about a week with no carry-on luggage allowed. I thought that TSA might start enforcing the already proscribed limits. The airlines don't want to do so, because then they'll make customers mad and they already do that enough on their own.
I see no reason a jacket shouldn't go in the overhead compartment. I hate putting my jacket underneath the seat because I don't want my feet (or others') getting it all dirty.
2 carry-ons and I couldn't bring both onto the plane (this was while trying to board the plane). When I tried to go off the plane to put it planeside and get a tag for it the "wonderful flight attendant" *cough* Bitch *cough cough* said that I could not exit the plane for safety reasons. I said so what do you want me to do here?
I was pretty pissed off to tell you the truth but if there's one thing I've learned from TV shows like Seinfeld is this: Never ever have a conip-shit on a plane.
It's probably cheaper to mail your clothes, laptop, and nic-nacs a week in advance now.
According to my buddy who works at Steelcase, a lot of their top executives have been doing this for a while (especially for international travel), though I think it was more because of constant lost/damaged luggage. Certain situations it could probably be cheaper, too.
If you have your own UPS account, you could send a 25lb package from Detroit to Orland for $13.30. So I ship anything I want down to the Orlando hotel three days before I go - call the hotel and let them know it is coming - arrive at hotel to check-in and find my "package" waiting in my hotel room.
Creepiest statement of the year award candidate!
I can send my "package" to the Awards Ceremony, too - via UPS, of course.
12 year old Filipino boy?
Another reason why I'd rather drive than fly.
Airlines are pulling this kind of nonsense with ever increasing frequency for two reasons:
1. The widespread use of web sites that compare ticket prices from several different airlines to help users "find the best price" gives the airlines incentives to lower ticket prices as much as possible while applying other fees as needed to make their target profit.
2. Fees and add-on charges are taxed differently than actual ticket prices. They might not be taxed at all, I'm not sure. In setting up the fees this way, airlines are paying less taxes.
The real question is whether airline travel is a viable enterprise at all. It is extremely energy inefficient and very expensive to make safe. It's a shame that as a society we haven't put more of our resources toward developing high-speed trains as an alternative.
Well, Europe has high-speed trains all over and it hasn't really led to a reduction in air travel. I don't see the demise of the airplane happening anytime soon. BTW, why do you say it's very expensive to make safe? Where is the expense there? Engine maintenance? Air-traffic controlling?
There are many things to not like about it but one thing you can't claim in that airline travel is not safe. Statistically it is extremely safe. The problem is when there is an incident it is often catastrophic and accordingly gets a lot of attention. There are a real lot of planes up there every day that never have a hint of a problem.
Because our country is friggin huge, yo.
There are lots of shorter runs where rail makes sense. You could connect most of the Midwest to Chicago pretty easily, for instance. Going from Minneapolis to Detroit through Chicago is roughly 700 miles. Taking a high speed train at an average speed of 150 miles an hour would make that about a 5 hour trip. Still slower than a plane, but not at all bad compared to driving--and faster than some of the direct flights I've taken over comparable distances when you factor in all the airport bullshit. In some parts of the country it makes more sense than others, but that isn't to say high speed rail is a bad idea.
But trains don't do that. It's not efficient, because you can't put a whole bunch of trains on the same track. 5 hours travel time, yes. But add in 10 or 20 15 minute stops at various stations along the way, and you're talking about an extra three or four hours on that.
My Colombian co-workers (and I have lots of them!) seem to love Spirit. I just priced an imaginary flight from Ft. Lauderdale to Medellin, and even with bag fees, it comes out to like $200, compared to $350 on some of the big names. They might be awful, but I'm pretty sure that Latin@ expats make up 90% of their business, and they really don't have any competition price-wise in that department.