97.1 and 1130 are both reporting breaking news that Miguel Cabrera was arrested last night: DUI and resisting arrest. Not good.
Nothing yet on freep.com or detnews.com.
Glad to hear he is reformed from two years ago.
Alcoholism is a disease. You don't just decide one day to stop and then never think about it again. He'll fight it for the rest of his life.
I agree it is a disease, one that is self inflicted and deserves little sympathy as a result. I am a recovering smoker and deserve no sympathy for my choice to become addicted either. Hopefully Miggy can get on the straight and narrow before the problem destroys his career.
Maybe he should stop driving and beating up his girl while imbibing in the meantime though.
the incident with his girl had no proof of him hitting her, in fact he was the one with all the bruises .... not defending him having a .3 at the time but i believe the reason no charges were filled was because it looks like he never actually hit her, he was taken to the drunk tank and then released ... this is not a trival difference,
however, he still needs to get back on the straight and narrow
And with that, Trey Parker and Matt Stone extended their lead as history's most sanctimonious pricks to ever base an entire career upon calling other people sanctimonious pricks.
Yes addiction becomes a disease because your body stops producing chemicals that the drugs give you and hence you become very dependent on it. Some of it is lack of will but the body needs these chemical balances and it isnt fair to say that it is completely their fault they cant stop.
This is the stupidest thing I've ever read on MGoBlog.
So Tiger Woods' addiction to poonanner is going to haunt him for the rest of his life as well?
P.S. If that's the stupidest thing you've ever read on MGoBlog then you don't follow this site closely.
When did I say anything about Tiger Woods? If you're going to debate at least stick to the topic at hand.
Yes, because I was clearly trying to add something to the debate with my mention of poonanner. Attempt at humor clearly missed by you, and seeing as nobody else is ripping me for being stupid, logic says that you are the stupid one. Good day sir.
This amuses me, only because you are the one who said it.
Most of the stupidest stuff I've read on here have been said by you, Larry Harrison.
Alcoholism is not a disease, it is a problem. Cancer is a disease, so is Parkinson's. Alcohilism is a problem - it is both afflicted and remedied merely by the behavior of the person who has it. Trust me, I bet you any cancer patient would love to get rid of their cancer by going to a series of meeting or, gulp, having some will power.
I have a lot of people close to be who are alcoholics. Hell, I drink a lot. But when alcohol starts getting you into trouble, you've got no one to blame but yourself.
Don't get me wrong, I hope Miggy gets his life on track, he's one of my favorite Tigers. But some people can handle partying better than others, and he needs to realize that this is a problem and lay off the sauce.
Your definition of disease is far more specific than the accepted definition of disease. It is impairment of both health and condition. An impairment of condition includes alcohol consumption, and thus alcoholism is a disease of a prolonged impaired condition.
By definition a cock is an adult male chicken or a rooster.
And a cock is not a male chicken or a rooster? If disease is slang for simply an uncontrollable body health condition please let me know. Otherwise, definitions are a good starting place in understanding the ideas behind words, and disease is a very vague idea defined in very vague words. To say that one knows the exact nature of what disease is, is to deny the fact that we can never know the exact nature of any idea.
Thank you for understanding what I was going for there. Disease is a very vague definition that can be twisted to fit your fancy. I will go with calling it an addiction but a disease is something contracted in my book.
And I will go ahead and say that alcoholism is a disease. Not because it falls within defined guidelines of a disease, but because my experience has shown that it kills people in the same way diseases such as cancer do - by an uncontrollable slow eating of the mind and body. I know you didn't do this, but to pawn it off as a mere problem, of will power or choice or otherwise, is to simplify a very complicated and detrimental affliction. Alcohol infects the host, and tears it apart systematically, much like an incurable virus would.
So it's "like" a disease, but not a disease in-and-of itself?
No. I believe it's definitely a disease. A disease that functions on a similar level as a cancer or virus. I am trying to illustrate my point using examples of afflictions that most people define as diseases.
Accepting alcoholism as a disease like cancer excuses it as being currently incurable. There have been and will be people who beat their addiction to alcohol. It is an addiction, but to state it as a disease I think is being too lenient with the person who has developed a dependence through years of relying on a substance.
Using his thought process then you could say that depression isn't a disease. To go even further it wouldn't surprise me to see him tell someone with severe depression to suck it up and stop feeling sorry for themselves. He has lost all credibility but he didn't have much to begin with.
Most of the stupidest stuff I've read on here have been said by you, Larry Harrison.
I'm surprised you can read after seeing sentence fail such as that. Nice try, though. I look forward to hearing more from you. : )
To just get more points since negs don't work I'll post again. If you want to know if alcoholism is a disease call up the AMA. You lose.
For real? I've known alcoholics who've spent 3 months in jail and spend that time going through detox and getting sober and feeling great. They've even said they never want to drink again but they still end up drinking. It's not like, oh I guess I'm done drinking now. I'm sure Cabrera has been to AA and counseling, but all it takes is one drink to get you back on a binge. I'm not saying Cabrera should be let off the hook at all, but there's no such thing as a "cured" alcoholic, just a recovering alcoholic.
Glad he's getting Spring Training off on the right foot.
Had high hopes for this season. If he's done for year, so are they.
He's one of my protects in my fantasy league. I'm f*cked if he misses time.
and took a swig of it in front of the cop right on the side of the road. He must have been destroyed to do that!
Also pulled the "do you know who I am" Crap. Then swore and sort of pushed off from the cop, yeah he was hammered. It's a damn shame. It gets beyond baseball for me. Yes I'm a huge tigers fan but as a human being he needs help and hope for the best for him and his family.
at least he has good taste for the finer whiskeys (James Buchanan). I would take a pull too, instead of having the cop dump it out. I just hope it was a Highland Single Malt.
I did that when I was young and underage. I was at a party and the cop caught me with a beer in my hand. I took a huge pull and told him it was water. The ticket got thrown out because the cop could not identify what was in the can. Now days they just give the kids a breathalyzer and call it good.
Its a good idea.
If you take a drink they cant give you a breathalyzer right then because the alcohol is in your mouth, that gives him time to come down a bit before they can actually test his level.
Google Map the address. Does he live in an apartment complex?? The hell?
3-4 knee spikes to my thigh would definitely make me comply.
That is really disappointing. I thought he grew up and his play last year reflected that. That is really unfortunate.
Unless the Tigers suspend him, it seems unlikely he'd miss time (except perhaps to attend a court hearing of some sort at some point). On the baseball front, the bigger concern is that he'll be more erratic/less reliable if he's back on the sauce.
On the personal front, though, this really sucks -- for him, the people who were putting their trust in him, and the people he endangered while driving drunk.
if erratic and less reliable means .300 BA/30 plus HR/100 plus RBI then drinking doesn't affect Cabrera's game at all. His stats has been consistently good every year.
Still, I hope that he is okay and should go to alcohol abuse rehab to better himself.
I still dont get it...if I make a bazillion dollars you can bet your ass I'm paying so lowlife from HS that I hated to drive my ass around and call me Sir and whipes my feet before I get into my Bentley as I just had that Ostrich cleaned son.
To this day I will never understand why a person like him making millions of dollars would not pay for a cab ride home. This is just disappointing.
I think he does need to be reprimanded in some way, but I don't think over the long run it'll affect his performance for the year as long as the right action is taken to help him as well.
When you're shitbombed enough to take a pull of scotch right in front of a cop after you say "do you know who I am"...he probably wasn't thinking clearly enough to have someone drive.
This is sad, the guy is my favorite player and an immense talent. This is NOT good and a horrible way to start the season. It was ballsy taking a swig of scotch in a cops face after being confronted and that makes part of me laugh inside...But not good in the big picture
"I love scotch. Scotchy, scotch, scotch. Here it goes down, down into my belly ..."
I really thought he had this all behind him
fell bad for him, baseball is small compared to whatever demons he is facing
Interested to see what direction the media takes this story. It already seems that they are casting him in a rather negative light which is almost the total opposite of how the Josh Hamilton story was handled.
It will be interesting to follow. The Josh Hamilton story was spun positively so I hope there's some leftover positivity for Cabrera. It's just sad.
It was another Miguel Cabera.
he drinks scotch?
Down here, after Hamilton was suspended in 2004, he didn't get a lot of positive press. Until he "found Jesus" and hooked up with his now-wife, he was generally portrayed as a gross waste of talent who had self-destructed. He had become a cheap radio joke by 2006. When the Rays left him off their roster for 2007, people in the TB area more relieved than anything else.
His "slip" in 2009 was easily forgiven because he told his wife about it the next day, got right back "on the wagon" and because he tested negative for drugs. He basically went from hopeless and suspended for three years to being an MVP-caliber player.
I hope he stays on the wagon forever, but I am a sucker for redemption stories. I would even be happy for Maurice Clarett or Art Schlichter if either ever truly changed his and got it back together.
I wasn't referring to the first time he was busted....rather his incident last year.
The comparison between Cabrera and Hamilton has nothing to do with "spin". It has everything to do with Hamilton being a model citizen and Cabrera finding himself drunk and in trouble once again. If he finds the strength to stop making these bad decisions then he too will get the positive "spin" that Hamilton enjoys.
P.S. I did my best to read all the responses to make sure I'm not repeating anybody's comments, however, my apologies if I did
That is the image of a man who thinks he is invincible.
But hey, that's a beautiful smile!
Driving drunk is awful to start off with but this guy takes the cake by the looks of his pic. Drinking before he's about to perform surgery too?!! Incredible.
That was exactly what I thought when I saw his mugshot. Maybe he was going to surgically remove the Twins and White Sox from the division and replace them with the Pirates and Cubs.
1) Miggy's situation is incredibly sad in my book. No humor in it whatsover.
2) Except the mug shot, which is hilarious. Tom D. was the first I saw do this, and it's an interesting tactic. (Assuming in Miggy's case it was a tactic.)
Clearly, what happened at the end of 2009 wasn't an isolated incident, and wasn't as easy to brush away as it appeared when he seemed "reformed" in 2010. Dan Lebatard tweeted that he showed up so drunk to an ESPN magazine shoot at age 20(!) that it scared everybody there.
This is a major problem for Cabrera and the Tigers. I don't see how they can do anything but give him the full Josh Hamilton treatment, complete with handler. This is clearly not something he can handle doing on his own.
Maybe everybody really does want to be Braylon Edwards. I wonder which one of LeBron's friend's Miggy's going to knock out.
How many times can we say it?
Ever ever ever ever ever ever ever.
White Sox are not your friends. They are evil.
Okay, I don't think he was drinking with Jenks this time. But I'm not discounting it either.
Was Miggy actually driving the car or was it pulled over on the side of the road when the cops found him? If so, having your lambo break down its a bizarre way to get a DUI. Unless there was another guy he "was going to kill"
That's actually the cops name, not the kind of car, right? P Lamborghini is in the box for "officer." Which, would be a pretty kick-ass name for a cop.
I doubt we'll ever know but was there another guy? If so, who was it? It is odd that he was pulled to the side of the road and with his engine smoking (also according to the report).
If the car died before the cops got there, he should have pulled the old Lance Briggs maneuver. Run! Take the charge for leaving the scene of an accident, or in this case, abandoning a vehicle instead of the DUI
told me the same thing. If you put your car in the ditch...RUN like hell. Take the leaving the scene instead of DUI.
get him out of detroit
There are only a handful of teams in the league that would be willing to take on his contract. The Tigers would, for the most part, get some prospects and money for him. Given what the bottom of the Tigers line up looks like, they need his production at the top. He is not the first athlete to have a disease and deserves more help and more chances. Hell, Donte Stallworth is still playing after killing another human and Charlie Sheen still hasn't entered rehab. It remains to be seen in what shape or form this will affect the Tigers season.
Would you have felt the same way about Mickey Mantle?
This is insensitive and stupid. Alcoholism is a disease. Should we ship out players whenever they come down with illnesses? As someone who has struggled with alcohol abuse myself, I sympathize with Miguel. This does not make him a bad person or a terrible representative of Detroit. It makes him a sick man with a need for help. The Tigers should do all they can to get him that help, not ship him out. If they give up on him it is just going to make his disease worse.
It took the support of all of my friends, family, and professors in college for me to quit drinking. It will take similar support for Cabrera but he can do it. Its not easy but it can be done.
He is a danger to others on the road. Alcolism is not a disease that just happens, a person does it to themselves (and their loved ones) and they could have avoided the problem. If Miggy want to change, he can certainly buy the support he needs.
There are numerous studies that support a genetic link to alcoholism. I agree that he is a danger to others on the road and should be punished for his actions. However, I believe punishing the behavior is treating a symptom of the disease and not the disease itself. He should face punishment such as a suspended license, fines, jail time, etc. However, the Tigers should also mandate a rehab period and support him while he goes through it. I never said financially support him.
Do you feel this badly for everyone who blows a .26? Or just the ones who are good at baseball? There is no excuse for this behavior.
You can feel badly for a person while still not supporting their actions in anyway. To those who have never had to battle addiction you will never understand the battle it is to give it up and give it up for good.
Should he be punished for what he did? Absolutely. Should he be given up on and written off? No. Alcoholism is a disease and numerous studies are now showing a genetic component to it. I am an alcoholic, as were my mother, father, 3 sisters, and my grandfather. It isnt as simple as people make it out to be.
In short, I do not feel bad for people who drive while drunk. I feel bad for people who have this disease and are really struggling with it.