97.1 and 1130 are both reporting breaking news that Miguel Cabrera was arrested last night: DUI and resisting arrest. Not good.
Nothing yet on freep.com or detnews.com.
Glad to hear he is reformed from two years ago.
Alcoholism is a disease. You don't just decide one day to stop and then never think about it again. He'll fight it for the rest of his life.
I agree it is a disease, one that is self inflicted and deserves little sympathy as a result. I am a recovering smoker and deserve no sympathy for my choice to become addicted either. Hopefully Miggy can get on the straight and narrow before the problem destroys his career.
Maybe he should stop driving and beating up his girl while imbibing in the meantime though.
the incident with his girl had no proof of him hitting her, in fact he was the one with all the bruises .... not defending him having a .3 at the time but i believe the reason no charges were filled was because it looks like he never actually hit her, he was taken to the drunk tank and then released ... this is not a trival difference,
however, he still needs to get back on the straight and narrow
I don't buy the "alcoholism is a disease that never goes away" line at all. Anyone who honestly believes this to be the case is just weak willed, and needs something to justify the fact that they are unable to stop drinking.
And with that, Trey Parker and Matt Stone extended their lead as history's most sanctimonious pricks to ever base an entire career upon calling other people sanctimonious pricks.
Yes addiction becomes a disease because your body stops producing chemicals that the drugs give you and hence you become very dependent on it. Some of it is lack of will but the body needs these chemical balances and it isnt fair to say that it is completely their fault they cant stop.
This is the stupidest thing I've ever read on MGoBlog.
So Tiger Woods' addiction to poonanner is going to haunt him for the rest of his life as well?
P.S. If that's the stupidest thing you've ever read on MGoBlog then you don't follow this site closely.
When did I say anything about Tiger Woods? If you're going to debate at least stick to the topic at hand.
Yes, because I was clearly trying to add something to the debate with my mention of poonanner. Attempt at humor clearly missed by you, and seeing as nobody else is ripping me for being stupid, logic says that you are the stupid one. Good day sir.
This amuses me, only because you are the one who said it.
Most of the stupidest stuff I've read on here have been said by you, Larry Harrison.
Alcoholism is not a disease, it is a problem. Cancer is a disease, so is Parkinson's. Alcohilism is a problem - it is both afflicted and remedied merely by the behavior of the person who has it. Trust me, I bet you any cancer patient would love to get rid of their cancer by going to a series of meeting or, gulp, having some will power.
I have a lot of people close to be who are alcoholics. Hell, I drink a lot. But when alcohol starts getting you into trouble, you've got no one to blame but yourself.
Don't get me wrong, I hope Miggy gets his life on track, he's one of my favorite Tigers. But some people can handle partying better than others, and he needs to realize that this is a problem and lay off the sauce.
Your definition of disease is far more specific than the accepted definition of disease. It is impairment of both health and condition. An impairment of condition includes alcohol consumption, and thus alcoholism is a disease of a prolonged impaired condition.
By definition a cock is an adult male chicken or a rooster.
And a cock is not a male chicken or a rooster? If disease is slang for simply an uncontrollable body health condition please let me know. Otherwise, definitions are a good starting place in understanding the ideas behind words, and disease is a very vague idea defined in very vague words. To say that one knows the exact nature of what disease is, is to deny the fact that we can never know the exact nature of any idea.
Thank you for understanding what I was going for there. Disease is a very vague definition that can be twisted to fit your fancy. I will go with calling it an addiction but a disease is something contracted in my book.
And I will go ahead and say that alcoholism is a disease. Not because it falls within defined guidelines of a disease, but because my experience has shown that it kills people in the same way diseases such as cancer do - by an uncontrollable slow eating of the mind and body. I know you didn't do this, but to pawn it off as a mere problem, of will power or choice or otherwise, is to simplify a very complicated and detrimental affliction. Alcohol infects the host, and tears it apart systematically, much like an incurable virus would.
So it's "like" a disease, but not a disease in-and-of itself?
No. I believe it's definitely a disease. A disease that functions on a similar level as a cancer or virus. I am trying to illustrate my point using examples of afflictions that most people define as diseases.
Accepting alcoholism as a disease like cancer excuses it as being currently incurable. There have been and will be people who beat their addiction to alcohol. It is an addiction, but to state it as a disease I think is being too lenient with the person who has developed a dependence through years of relying on a substance.
Using his thought process then you could say that depression isn't a disease. To go even further it wouldn't surprise me to see him tell someone with severe depression to suck it up and stop feeling sorry for themselves. He has lost all credibility but he didn't have much to begin with.
Depression is not a disease. Depression is a symptom caused by a myriad of possible internal/external things.
You honestly have the most cloudy thought process of anyone on this board.
Most of the stupidest stuff I've read on here have been said by you, Larry Harrison.
I'm surprised you can read after seeing sentence fail such as that. Nice try, though. I look forward to hearing more from you. : )
To just get more points since negs don't work I'll post again. If you want to know if alcoholism is a disease call up the AMA. You lose.
For real? I've known alcoholics who've spent 3 months in jail and spend that time going through detox and getting sober and feeling great. They've even said they never want to drink again but they still end up drinking. It's not like, oh I guess I'm done drinking now. I'm sure Cabrera has been to AA and counseling, but all it takes is one drink to get you back on a binge. I'm not saying Cabrera should be let off the hook at all, but there's no such thing as a "cured" alcoholic, just a recovering alcoholic.
Glad he's getting Spring Training off on the right foot.
Had high hopes for this season. If he's done for year, so are they.
He's one of my protects in my fantasy league. I'm f*cked if he misses time.
and took a swig of it in front of the cop right on the side of the road. He must have been destroyed to do that!
Also pulled the "do you know who I am" Crap. Then swore and sort of pushed off from the cop, yeah he was hammered. It's a damn shame. It gets beyond baseball for me. Yes I'm a huge tigers fan but as a human being he needs help and hope for the best for him and his family.
at least he has good taste for the finer whiskeys (James Buchanan). I would take a pull too, instead of having the cop dump it out. I just hope it was a Highland Single Malt.
I did that when I was young and underage. I was at a party and the cop caught me with a beer in my hand. I took a huge pull and told him it was water. The ticket got thrown out because the cop could not identify what was in the can. Now days they just give the kids a breathalyzer and call it good.
Its a good idea.
If you take a drink they cant give you a breathalyzer right then because the alcohol is in your mouth, that gives him time to come down a bit before they can actually test his level.
I've actually heard of people doing this.
They keep a shooter of alcohol in their glove compartment at all times. If they ever get pulled over while under the influence, the idea is to clearly remove the keys from the ignition and drink the shooter while the cop is watching. This way, the cop can't actually prove that you consumed alcohol before getting behind the wheel.
Google Map the address. Does he live in an apartment complex?? The hell?
3-4 knee spikes to my thigh would definitely make me comply.
That is really disappointing. I thought he grew up and his play last year reflected that. That is really unfortunate.
Unless the Tigers suspend him, it seems unlikely he'd miss time (except perhaps to attend a court hearing of some sort at some point). On the baseball front, the bigger concern is that he'll be more erratic/less reliable if he's back on the sauce.
On the personal front, though, this really sucks -- for him, the people who were putting their trust in him, and the people he endangered while driving drunk.
if erratic and less reliable means .300 BA/30 plus HR/100 plus RBI then drinking doesn't affect Cabrera's game at all. His stats has been consistently good every year.
Still, I hope that he is okay and should go to alcohol abuse rehab to better himself.
I still dont get it...if I make a bazillion dollars you can bet your ass I'm paying so lowlife from HS that I hated to drive my ass around and call me Sir and whipes my feet before I get into my Bentley as I just had that Ostrich cleaned son.
To this day I will never understand why a person like him making millions of dollars would not pay for a cab ride home. This is just disappointing.
I think he does need to be reprimanded in some way, but I don't think over the long run it'll affect his performance for the year as long as the right action is taken to help him as well.
When you're shitbombed enough to take a pull of scotch right in front of a cop after you say "do you know who I am"...he probably wasn't thinking clearly enough to have someone drive.
This is sad, the guy is my favorite player and an immense talent. This is NOT good and a horrible way to start the season. It was ballsy taking a swig of scotch in a cops face after being confronted and that makes part of me laugh inside...But not good in the big picture
"I love scotch. Scotchy, scotch, scotch. Here it goes down, down into my belly ..."
I really thought he had this all behind him
fell bad for him, baseball is small compared to whatever demons he is facing
Interested to see what direction the media takes this story. It already seems that they are casting him in a rather negative light which is almost the total opposite of how the Josh Hamilton story was handled.
It will be interesting to follow. The Josh Hamilton story was spun positively so I hope there's some leftover positivity for Cabrera. It's just sad.