Suspended without pay for the rest of the season.
Suspended without pay for the rest of the season.
Screws my fantasy team, good thing I'm in first by a long shot
since he's on the bench for 80% of the season. What a huge disappointment. Good thing my team is awesome since I'm in first place.
Hopefully Alex Rodriguez is up next. I like the Yankees but Alex has been useless post-WS championship. Plus the Tigers sympathizers would probably agree. Alex Rodriguez is garbage and I'm not complaining if they suspend him long term. He might as well retire now.
I don't know the specifics or the ramifications of a suspension for A-Rod, but not a chance he retires if he can see that money.
The yankees might be able to void A-Rod's contract if and most likely when he gets suspended, which would suck because that contract is the worst contract in baseball, hell it might be the worst contract in all sports.
If he gets 100 games like some are saying, A-Rod will lose around 15 million dollars. The speculation was that his contract could be voided but that is not true, as long as he continues to play the Yankees will still have to pay him for the rest of his contract.
I think they should force arod into the lineup instead of suspending. Gotta be a bigger punishment.
Well the question is what now happens to Jhonny Peralta and Nelson Cruz? Braun and A-Rod were the sacrificial lambs in this debate but far from being important members to contending teams so it'll be intersting to see what happens to Jhonny and Cruz.
I took this as being very selfish on Braun's part again. Without proper research into the documents at Biogenesis Braun has accepted his punishment. You now have players on contending teams, MLB, and MLBPA put in awkard positions. MLB now has a precedent for players named in the report. I don't know if Braun could have waited to accept his suspension, but I think that since he's a member of the union, he should have spoke with MLBPA to see what would be best for everyone. I'm not even a Tigers fan, I'm an Indians fan, but I can see where Tigers fans would be pretty frustrated to lose Peralta or the Rangers losing Cruz. The implications this has on the playoff race is being understated.
See i'm not sure Braun had much ground to stand on in general with his vehement denial stemming from last year, even though the whole world knows he only got off on a technicality.
The MLBPA came out last week and basically said they weren't going to support the players that had "overwhelming evidence against them." So I'm really not certain what's going to happen because Braun and A-Rod might be held to a higher standard seeing as the MLB might be looking at this as a 2nd offense, where as it would be a 1st for Cruz, and Peralta so the Players' Association might help them in an appeal thus staving off the suspension until next season.
The following question to that is, if you're Cruz or Peralta do you take the suspension now, seeing as you're going to be a free agent this summer? I'm inclinded to think they might seeing as they wouldn't really be able to sign a good deal with a suspension hanging over them.
But the suspension will affect their future pay anyway as teams will have second thoughts about their past production with PED use. If they take the suspension now, they will be sacrificing earnings at higher pay and may lose more money by not appealing.
But you're also risking not even being offered any major league contract next season, while highly unlikely it's quite a risk to sign somebody who might not be able to play until June.
And the contract will probably be based on the number of games they will play. I still think they will lose more money by sitting out now. There is no way their pay per game next year will be greater than this year.
Ask Melky how that works out though. You basically become a pariah in the locker room. They are going to lose money either way I think. Just a matter of whether or not you want to continue proving that you can play without the use of roids or not. I would be more willing to sit the 50 games next year and use this season to show my ability to play without PEDs and then treat next season as sort of starting the season the 60 Day DL...but that's just me.
I am guessing Braun was not one of them. Each player suspected of using PEDs in the Biogenesis case had a different amount of evidence against them. Based on the evidence, MLBPA said there were certain cases they would fight in arbitration.
According to the article on ESPN about Ryan Braun, as of last week the MLBPA executive director has said they will not fight on behalf of any of the players associated with this case.
That is not what the MLBPA said. They said they would not fight for any players where there was overwhelming evidence that the player used PEDs.
"Last week, Weiner said that the MLBPA wouldn't fight for any players that might be suspended when faced with overwhelming evidence exists that they used performance-enhancing drugs."
Wow, so it does. I was positive it did not have that qualifier in there the first time I read it. Hmmmm.
He had no other choice, clearly they had a stack of evidence.
As a Tiger fan, I hope that Peralta is suspended, IF GUILTY. I don't want his help winning a world series if he is dirty.
Think about the number of key players on World Series teams over the last 15 years that had used PEDs (and in many cases they were more prominent than Peralta). Actually it was pretty commonplace. A significant number of Yankees from their 1998-2000 and 2009 championship teams were implicated in the Mitchell Report.
Roger Clemens, Jason Giambi, A-Rod, Andy Pettitte, Manny Ramirez, David Ortiz, Troy Glaus, Ivan Rodriguez, Melky Cabrera, Matt Williams, Scott Schoeneweis, Eric Gagne, Brendan Donnelly. In the cases of Manny Ramirez and Troy Glaus, they won World Series MVP.
I didn't get past, I like the Yankees...
Just in terms of his suspension....I think you get my point.
I thought the title wording is ridiculous. Words mean things.
Let's peruse the board and alter the titles to fit your wordsmithing:
OSU's Carlos Hyde victimized by woman
OSU 5* S Vonn Bell victimized by open container of alcohol in hand
OSU 4* Freshman Tim Gardner arrested, victimized by his own obstruction
OSU Bradley Roby, victimized by parents for not conceiving him earlier, arrested for under-aged drinking
EDIT: Thanks to the edit function, Blue Durham almost victimized by his own crappy spelling
The Tigers better have a plan ready to go regarding Jhonny Peralta. And that plan better not be named "Ramon".
I think he will appeal. MLBPA has already said they would fight for some of the players, and I am guessing Peralta's case would most likely get resolved after the season ended.
Follow up question: With Braun not appealing, will this hurt other players in their appeal? It's almost like admitting guilt for being on that list. Can an arbitrator use that as a sort of "precedent?"
Braun probably had a no win situation, either he takes the 65 suspension and doesn't appeal or gets suspended 100 games, appeals, then loses and is suspended the full 100. It looks like Selig might have made a deal to get this done asap.
There is a big advantage to serve his suspension now.
There's no reason to appeal. He is currently dealing with a thumb injury, his team is in last place, and his contract is worth 1.5 million more next season.
it's strong evidence though not conclusive. the arbitrators aren't necessarily bound by traditional rules of evidence.
well most stories i have heard about peralta are that he only went there for a consultation and if so he will not be suspended but many of players have lied, but i dont think jhonny did it what has it done for him if he did he hasnt had any great numbers before this year and i am sure this ahappened before this year so if he was trying to cheat it didnt work for him that is why i dont think he did it
Yeah right, and I'm Jerry Cougar Mellencamp
CBS adds a little background to the suspension and the circumstances. Most notably, there is this:
"Braun met with MLB's investigators recently, and during that meeting the league reportedly laid out all of their evidence against him. Rather than go through an appeals process, Braun's side agreed to a plea deal and the negotiated suspension. Under the JDA, first time offenders get 50-game suspensions, second-timers get 100 games, and third-timers get lifetime bans."
Supposedly, his net loss of income would be something in the neighborhood of $3.5 million, and similar punishments may be imposed on as many as 20 players, according to this report.
but allow me this redundancy. Victim? Ummmmmmm..... what?
This was a wasted season for Braun anyway, he had been injured and then was on the bereavement list recently. Giving up the last 65 games (other than the prorated pay) doesn't really hurt him that much.
The Brewers, on the other hand, lose a key player this year. Next year they will probably keep a roster spot open for him and will get a player, who most likely, will not deliver the same results as his past seasons (assuming he stays off the PEDs). They will probably be obligated to pay him the contract he earned based on the numbers he put up using PEDs. Talk about a crappy situation for the team.
There's goes my first round pick :(. Hopefully this doesn't mess up the rest of my season
Monday must be a day for suspensions...
Hopefully, Ryan Braun has reached out to collector Dino Laurenzi, Jr. and offered his apology for how he cast doubt re Laurenzi's integrity.
— Buster Olney (@Buster_ESPN) July 22, 2013
Odds you pick up the phone from the guy that got you fired, and dragged your name through the mud?
Billy Madison would recommend it.
Not surprising. Had him on my fantasy team last year and was constantly terrified this would happen. Will be interesting to see what other big names fall as a result of this investigation.
All Braun and no brains...
I hope Braun is man enough to have a press conference in the Brewers' stadium where he acknowledges his lies last year (or was it 2 yrs ago) and apologizes to the test collector for suggesting he had no intregrity.
Braun saw the writing on the wall and accepted a plea bargin for lack of a better word rather than risk a 100 day or worse suspension at a higher salary next year. I read that the evidence against A-rod is much more substantial so I'm hoping he gets dropped even worse. Lying multple times, allegedly trying to destroy evidence, etc. A man (even if i'm a yankees fan) can hope he sees the writing on the wall and retires (due to injury of course) under some sort of settlement with MLB that they drop the case if he files his retirement papers.
Wonder why Braun without any of the other 20 players previously mentioned including A-Rod or Peralta?
only came up in one document, unless they found more compelling evidence that it would be pretty ridiculous to suspend him since that doesn't qualify as substantial evidence. The word of a slimeball like Bosch is not significant evidence to me either, assuming he gave MLB a list of names.
It does however look like the evidence was more overwhelming against Braun, and he simply decided that was no point in appealing given the fact that his team is in last place. However, guys like Peralta with less evidence against them would definatly appeal and I would be surprised if the players union didn't fight on the behalf on the guys with less evidence against them.
likely have announced it today as well. He has already met with the league and some of the same considerations from Braun apply here too (lost season, still rehabbing and will miss more games, etc.). ARod is not a repeat offender in the way (it appears) Braun is - while he admitted his use, he doesn't have a positive test or thumb-in-MLB's-eye appeal as precedent under the current CBA. If MLB were to attempt to use his admission as prior use the union would squawk - they'd have to, those tests are supposed to be anonymous and there's civil litigation pending about the disclosure. (My recollection is that litigation is effectively on hold while labor peace prevails, and the last thing anybody wants to is to reopen the PR nightmare that ensued.)
I wouldn't be surprised if he's dirty, but the consistent drumbeat of they'll-suspend-him-to-void-his-contract-and-he'll-go-away is pure wish-fulfillment. I suspect that at best ARod will get fifty games at best, and if he appeals the results would likely hit during the World Series - wouldn't that be fun?
But don't worry guys. Now that we've [started testing for steroids; spring training screenings; broken up BALCO; increased suspension length], we've FINALLY ended steroid use in baseball. Pinky Swear.
I have this funny feeling that, 30 years from now, we're going to see Jim Thome as the best hitter of the generation. Albert Pujols, too, as long as he stays publicly clean.
be squarely in the discussion, assuming he stays publicly clean as well and continues to be highly productive. I would be suprised if by the time both Pujols and Cabrera retire they aren't considered the best hitters of this generation.
Also I know you probally meant it jokingly, but that is no chance in hell Jim Thome would be considered the best hitter of the generation, there are several clean guys who are or were better overall hitters than Jim. Cabrera and Pujols when he was in St.Louis are a notch or two above Thome.
I absolutely refuse to accuse a guy with a clean record of any sort of PED use. However, I don't have the same kind of rock-solid confidence that he isn't/wasn't juicing as I do about, say, "My Wife Is My Rock" Jim Thome. I think that's why Thome seems so outstanding to me. Thome, unlike Miggy and even Pujols, played for 3/4 of his career in an environment where there was absolutely no deterrant at all to steroid use.
Thinking about it further, I'm not even sure that Thome belongs in the same era as the best hitters of the mid-late 2000s. By time Pujols and Miggy were in their mid-20s, Thome was past his prime. That being said, Cabrera and Pujols are both excellent hitters for average, which does set them apart from hitters like Jimmy.
does not touch Miggy's and Pujols' numbers in their prime. Thome is a good hitter but not on the level of Albert Pujols and Miguel Cabrera.
anybody though. Thome always seemed like a honest and stand-up type of guy to me, and certainly not the type of guy you would suspect of steriod use, but given the era he played in you can't be 100% sure about him either.
I also can't be 100% sure Brady Hoke isn't using his position as a Michigan head coach to run an elaborate money-laundering scheme, but let's be serious here.
The day Jim Thome gets a not-laughable steroids accusation against him is the day I buy everyone in this thread a steak dinner. By the way, StraightDave still owes us all.
clearly more improbable than the other. My point is there is no more reason to suspect Cabrera or Pujols in comparison to Thome, given the fact that there is no evidence to suspect any of them.
Griffey Jr or Frank Thomas probably has a better case than Thome.
Brewer fan here. Born and raised. We haven't had a lot to cheer about as far as baseball goes in this city. 26 year playoff drought between 1982 and 2008. Then going to NLCS in 2011. These are moments that I'll never forget. That 2011 season may be the furthest i ever see them advance in my lifetime (i was 3 when they went to the world series in 82 so i don't really count that).
Now as I reminisce on all that, I'm left to wonder... would I trade that success for a clean, honest and respectable face of our franchise? That is a question I am not yet capable of answering. I want to say I'm a good enough person with sound enough morales to say unequivocaly "yes" in answer to that question, but I'm not sure I can. This makes me feel "dirty" to even admit as much.
I paid over $150 for his jersey his rookie year. I proclaimed to all that would listen when he was brought up from the minors that he would be the greatest Brewer since Yount (in this town, that means a lot). No, I won't be burning that jersey (many people on local talk radio have made claims of burning jerseys and busting bobble heads). But I don't know that I'll ever be wearing it again either. It will hang right where it has hung since first hearing of all this 2 years ago, collecting dust, being "hidden" as much out of embarrassment as pure disappointment. My 15 month old son has a Ryan Braun onesie. My 11 year old daughter has a Braun shirt-jersey. My wife is pregnant with our 3rd, and if Braun plays out the remainder of his contract in Milwaukee even he/she will be old enough to remember having seen dad cheer for "Brauny". I just don't know what I think about that.
When Ryan Braun is announced on opening day in 2014, I will not boo, and I will not clap. I certainly will not be donning his jersey as I have on all past opening days (prior to all allegations). I will fervently cheer each of his 8 teammates when they are announced. When he hits a double off the wall to score the winning run, I will cheer like mad, as I always have. And when the cheers grow fainter and die down after the play, I will have mixed emotions no doubt. No longer a Ryan Braun fan, but still a loyal fan of my team.
Many questions remain and I'm not sure how I'll end up truly handling this when it's all said and done. I know this isn't a board filled with brewer fans so let me apologize for this diatribe. If nothing else it has helped me by getting it off my chest.
I will never expect sports figures to be heroes or role models for my children. It's my job to be that. I only know that now after having been let down by heroes and role models that i've had throughout my upbringing that aren't my mother, grandfather, or the men and women who lead and serve this country.
Ryan Braun is no hero, and he is no role model. He is an entertainer, as are all professional sports stars. I only wish I could've understood this sooner. Maybe that's what makes me love college sports so much.