Nick Castellanos is batting .421 in the minors. Can't he play second!!
OT - Brandon Inge walk off grand slam
You don't jump from single A to the majors where you then learn a new position.
Plus Castellanos is 6-4 and 225 pounds-- don't see too many of them at 2B!
...He better learn the outfield. The Tigers have big money long term deals in place at first and third.
I believe Cabrera's deal is up in 2014 or 15, Which is around Castellanos' ETA to the majors. By which time, Cabrera will probably DH if we resign him. So he probably won't have to learn the outfield. He will if he wants to play in the majors next year, which he won't except for possibly a September call-up.
Inge will not bat above .230 this year. The Tigers were smart to get rid of him.
Water always finds its level. And with Inge, that means at least two strikeouts a game. If the bases were loaded in the 9th, then obviously someone in the bullpen was having a rough night.
I will never understand why Inge garnered so much hatred from Detroit fans towards the end of his career here-- perhaps it was time for him to move on, but he deserved better treatment IMO. And Raburn has been awful this year! It's early so maybe he can turn it around, but if the Tigers wanna make some noise in the playoffs (or even reach them), an upgrade at 2B and another bat (preferably at DH and move Dirks to LF) would be nice
It's because he is a career .234 hitter. Even with all his "success" in Oakland he is hitting .179 there. ONE SEVENTY NINE. He is a fucking corner infielder. A power position. Other notable 3rd basemen: Evan Longoria, Adrian Beltre, David Wright, Poblo Sandoval, Alex Rodriguez, Micheal Young, etc. The only position where you can afford a .179 BA with limited power is P or C and POSSIBLY SS. Inge is a shitty baseball player. That's why we hate him. Because he stinks.
My point is not that he is a great player or even that it wasn't time for Detroit to look elsewhere. Admittedly, the guy always carried a low BA for his position, but the guy played for us for 10 years and was around when the whole team stunk! He also came up with some clutch hits throughout his career. Also, in a clutch situation, can you honestly say you'd rather have Raburn at the plate?
Just saying I though he deserved better treatment, not a different end result.
He probably didn't deserve the boos at the end, but the guy was a borderline minor league player for alot of his career and the town talked about him like he was Pete Rose during that time, so that more than makes up for it.
Inge didn't deserve the treatement he got from the fans in Detroit. Then again, we are talking about the fanbase that ran Sparky Anderson out of town, so it's not like the bar has been set very high.
He may not have deserved the boos, but he probably didn't deserve all the love for most of his career. He was a fan favorite for a majority of his career despite not a ton of production. We'll call it even.
When the player you use in a "who would you rather have bat in a clutch situation" is Ryan Raburn, that tells you all you need to know.
Honestly I think it was kind of a build-up. He'd been such a fan and media darling for so long without being good enough that it all just came to head. Now that we have the talent, a lot of people have been sitting around the last few seasons scratching their heads asking themselves why the hell does Brandon Inge still have a roster spot.
He seemed like he got arrogant towards the end too, the stuff he'd say in interviews. Coming out of spring training this year he said that even though his average didn't show it, he could hit the ball just as good as anybody else out there, which, come on. He also commented something like "I must be doing something right" when asked about getting booed by Tigers fans.
Inge didn't deserve shit. I honestly still can't fathom how he wasn't cut with everybody else after the 2003 season (when he batted a whopping .203). The guy blessed Detroit with nearly a career's worth of monumental suckitude. Frankly, I hope that he gets to endure a long, miserable life with a slow, painful death.
I'm not a fan of Inge's in the least bit, but the end of your summary makes me not a fan of yours either. Grow up
Is there such a thing as taking sports way, way, way too seriously?
And I am pretty sure it follows the same guide as taking the internet way, way, way too seriously.
was a career .246 hitter. Brandon is a .234 career hitter. Brandon has also hit almost 80 more HR than TB. Brookens played 10 years on the infield for Detroit. He was a 1st round pick. Where is all the hate for him??
How could you hate a guy with such sweet glasses and mustache?
Brookens never ran his mouth like Inge did. With Inge, he always had something to say, even when he should have just shut up
Because there's no difference in how the media works between 1985 and 2012.
That's definitely a fair point, but it still seemed like there were plenty of moments where he should have kept quiet. People did take some of his comments too far (like jumping on him for saying that he's going to compete for his job), but he could have avoided quite a few of his problems by not talking
I loved Tom Brookens with his .246 BA and total lack of power. Jack Morris and Dan Petry loved him, too. He was the Tigers' best 3rd basemen of the 80's. (Maybe my tune would be different if we had kept Howard Johnson around a little longer, but even HoJo was a career .249 hitter.) For a supposed position of such offensive importance, the Tigers had a decade largely devoid of an offensive threat. Brookens was definitely the best of this list (apologies to Darnell Coles and his one-hit wonder year):
|Darnell Coles||3B||1986-1987, 1990|
Aside from personal stats & fa, Brookens also played on a World Championship team in 1984. Inge was a member of the 2003 squad that was one of the all-time worst teams ever. Being a "winner" counts for a lot around here.
I really dont think people hated Brandon Inge. They hated how much some people love, and defended his borderline minor league level talent. I am not a Brandon Inge fan, but he didnt deserve to be booed. He gave it his all. We should have pranced out all the Inge appologists and booed the shit out of them.
Is Brookens the all-time franchise leader in strikeouts? Shortly after taking that illustrious crown, did Brookens tell the media that "strikeouts are an overrated stat"?
OMG did Inge say such a thing, Egads he should be crucified. The nerve
you hate someone you have never met? I don't like him starting for my favorite baseball team, but don't you think it is a little sad that you hate him and apparently can't get over the fact that he is gone? He did alot more positive in this world (see Mott donationas) than bad (can't hit). Can you say you provided a serious financial benefit to sick kids?
in the minors...
He's not a shitty baseball player. He's just not a player worthy a spot in a MLB lineup at this point in his career.
its because he was a massively overpaid player that refused to be a backup catcher or utility player.
Because Inge was a whining bitch on a team that didn't need him.
See, I always thought Inge got a fair bit of leeway from the fans considering he was a mediocre hitter for virtually his entire run with the Tigers. I mean, his career best in batting average was pretty meh (.287), and whatever pop he had earlier in his career he lost toward the end. His range was fine at 3rd but never great, and he had a penchant for making it public knowledge when he wasn't happy with his playing situation. I'm happy that he has two homers and 8 RBIs, but I kind of doubt he'll keep up that pace, which means you have a part-time defensive replacement who hits below .200. Yeah, I think the Tigers can survive his loss.
Offensively Inge was always sub-par. But you are wrong about his range. His range, especially before he had double knee surgery late in his career, was outstanding. Back in the 2006-2008 range it could be argued that he was the best defensive 3B in the game, or that he was at least one of the top few. Bill James defensive metrics back that up.
He lost some of that defensive ability when he tore cartlidge in both knees during his All-Star season.
when he was healthy and has functional knees, he was the best defensive 3B in the league and his range were outstanding. He made plays that no defensive 3B can make because they typically lacked the athleticism or range to do it.
short... can dunk!!!
Well that was a one in a million shot and based on the fact it was Inge it was more like a one in twenty million shot.
makes 3 Brandon Inge walkoff home runs in the last two years that I think of off the top of my head.
I think that may be his third homerun in the 8th inning or later this year to eventually win a game for his team.
Well the fact that he swings for the fences every at bat, he is bound to hit one over every once in awhile.
Inge was the least of their problems . How's that bullpen working out??
You said least? No, not least. He was one of many problems. His play at 2B was shitty, his offense was worse. Then there's the bullpen problem. Also the bats need to heat up. There is still plenty of time but Inge had to go. He was useless in Detroit.
As for the grand slam, cool. 1 walk off hit doesnt mean he deserves to play horribly the other 161 games. I was at the game a few weeks back where he basically cost Porcello the game in the 1st inning. Porcello was so deflated by the multiple poor defensive plays he had behind him by Inge that you could see he just wasnt in it.
Still glad to see Inge gone.
Brandon is stil hitting .146 this season and has an OBP that, I believe, is in the neighborhood of .200. Even if you projected his stats to date out over the season, he would still have a Rob Deer-esque sort of year, and nobody could talk himself out of good at-bats like Rob Deer when he was a Tiger.
Was at the Pirates-Nats game last night, and Rod Barajas, batting .137 with 0 HR and 0 RBI hit a 2-run walkoff for the Bucs. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut...
I didn't think first half Raburn would be this bad, especially after that spring training, but he'll pick it up in a big way. The A's can have Jnge
He's been stinking it up real bad the past 2 seasons in Detroit. He didn't look good at second, and he wasn't going to knock Cabrera off of third. It was time for him to go. If he'd have the bases loaded in Detroit, he woulda struck out. His BA was .051 or something like that. It was way past time for them to part ways. Maybe a change of scernery is what he needed? But time will tell. He could start stinking it up in Oakland and bat .100 for the year, or he can find his game and be an all star. Regardless, it wasn't going to happen in Detroit.
Yeah, the Tigers have really played better ever since they got rid of him. /s
Because if we had kept him then our bullpen issues never would have existed right?
He isn't hitting in Oakland either. If he bats .150 all season every hit will need to be a home run. He sucks and the Tiger's closers are failing.
Inge was overrated for virtually his entire career with the Tigers. Yeah, he played hard and got dirty and played a lot of positions, blah blah blah. I like him as an individual.
But he was/is not a good offensive baseball player. He strikes out too much, hits for a low average, and doesn't have the power to make up for it. Detroiters loved him for being a Tiger, not for his abilities as a player.
Anybody who expected Brandon Inge to be more than a solid infielder and number 7-9 hitter who gets a clutch ever now and again has over rated Brandon Inge. However the only people who really overrated Brandon Inge are the people who hate Brandon Inge.
Granted, he probably does not have a natural eye for seeing pitches and would have never been a great offensive player. But your assertion is a crock. He had ten years to spend an off season learning how to shorten up his swing and hit for contact. In fact, a few times over his career he did that for a while and his average jumped up. He's a strong guy who would still get extra base power from swinging for contact (or, you know, at least doing it with two strikes).
But he never did, because he thinks he's a power hitter. That's why he struck out on so many curveballs. Always sitting on a fast ball and trying to hit it out.
Brandon Inge overrated himself and pretended to be something he isn't, then refused to change for the good of his team or even his own career.
However the only people who really overrated Brandon Inge are the people who hate Brandon Inge.
If you overrate a player, you think he's better than he really is. I don't think Inge's critics have been doing that.
Inge was a good-to-great fielder and an okay hitter for most of his career. Within the last year or two, though, his fielding has declined to "average" and his hitting has declined to "abysmal". I think most of the hate directed toward him was not directed to the man but instead directed to the inexplicable fact that he was still there. He was terrible last year. He was terrible in spring training. And yet somehow there he is on the field, committing throwing errors and racking up strikeouts. It just didn't make sense.
If you look at the Red Wings you see a number of former stars and fan favorites like Osgood, Draper, and Maltby who were given reduced roles as their skills declined and eventually told they just weren't good enough to be a Red Wing anymore. That has to be done if you want to field a championship contending team, no matter how much you like what they did over the past 10 years.
As for Brandon Inge the Oakland Athletic, yeah, one of his big swings finally made actual contact with the ball. He was 0 for 4 with 6 men left on base in the game up to that point. His average is still .146. He hasn't managed a multi-hit game this year... in fact, he's got 2 strikeouts for every one hit. One hard swing (at a hittable pitch for once instead of one that's headed for the dirt in front of home plate) does not make for a turnaround, no matter how you spin it.
Calling Inge "an okay hitter for most of his career" is a stretch. In his 12 MLB seasons, he's batted above .250 (and had an OPS above .720) three times. Basically, aside from 2004-06, he's always been an enormous liability at the plate.
Believe it or not, the season is much longer than 2 games, and on top of that, Dombrowski and Leyland know a whole lot more about baseball than you or I do.
I can't believe this is even a topic....Inge is gone, let it go, I'm sorry you can't wear your precious #15 jersey to the game anymore. Look I'm happy for him, truly I am. Now that he's no longer here I have no quarrel with him, but if you honestly think the Tigers would be better off with him then you are an idiot.
His OBP is .208 and his avg is still a meager .146, Raburn hasn't been any better but his track record speaks for itself. I bet you're mad that we let Jair Jurrjens go too, or Scott Sizemore for that matter. An Inge thread when he's not even a Tiger.........GET OVER IT.
Inge was a likeable player who couldn't conrol the strikezone and became a prodigious out-making machine. #moneyball
Once the Tigers accumulated a number of professional hitters, even fans who loved his dirt-dog persona couldn't justify his declining defense at the expense of outs.
i think I finally figured out why I hate Brandon Inge so much. It's because of things like this post. (I see the /s, but don't care.)
Brandon Inge started his career in Detroit as a useful utility player who was a very good fielder with some pop in his bat. Eventually he became the full-time third baseman. He had a couple seasons as an excellent defensive third baseman, and his numbers at the plate were palatable. At some point, his high strike out rate started to get real tiresome. Then, his defense started to decline as well. He also refused to go back to his utility role, bitching about the suggestion, believing he had "earned" the right to be the everyday third baseman. This is when my distain for him began.
Then, for the rest of his career, anytime his name would come up, his legion of followers would defend him regardless of his on-field performance. "He brings his lunch pail to work everyday" or "he's a blue collar guy," they would say. "He's batting .210," I would respond. But there was no reasoning with them. Then, the couple friends of mine who were loyal Inge lovers would seem to tell me EVERY time he got a hit, especially if it was a home run. They'd point to his one or two "clutch" hits and act like I was clearly wrong about his baseball skills. Meanwhile, his average hovered around his abysmal career numbers, he struck out consistently, and was GROSSLY overpaid.
So, at least for me, I think I irrationally hate Brandon Inge so much because people irrationally loved him so much. Sports fans whose opinions I mostly respected made ludicrous arguments to support him.
You are the man who finally nailed it. Inge is dead to me because of irrational fans.
I think you summarized Inge well with a couple of things missing:
- Inge got HUGE money from the organization that was hard to justify when he was at his best and was laughable when he was at his worst.
- Leyland continued to play him and defend him like he was Brooks Robinson even when it became apparent that he was a replacement level player at best.
- Decisions were made the last couple of years to keep Inge on the team either because of his contract or his history with the organization even though other players were more deserving of the roster spots.
- As you alluded to, when Inge was faced with these situations of getting beat out but somehow managing to stay on the roster he said some silly things rather than taking a utility role and being happy about it.
The other part of the Inge situation was timing. He was the face of the Tigers when they were horrible and people respected him because he played his butt off and played great defense while the team was horrible. We needed someone to root for and he was a logical candidate. He then stayed with the team when they became good and sort of personified their revival.
When they became good it because apparent that he was beneath their standards yet his biggest supporters and Inge himself could not admit that to themselves. Had Inge just said humbly "I'm not cutting it right now and until I improve I understand why I'm not playing." Instead he talked about how he'd proved himself, he earned his spot, he didn't understand why he wasn't playing, etc.
Great posts (both of you) -
I'd like to add a couple of things that pissed me off and caused me to start disliking him.
I began to not like Inge when the Tigers signed a flippin' Hall of Fame catcher and Inge had the audacity to bitch about having to switch positions. Pudge was a damn Hall of Famer. Shut the hell up & move spots.
Then, a few years ago, with 20 homers at the all star break (and aching knees), he decided to participate in the home run derby. After putting up a donut in the derby, his knees got worse and he sucked (more than normal) the rest of the year.
It's that kind of thing - not thinking about the team first - complaining about a position switch, or participating in the all star game, putting himself before the team that pisses me off to this day.
I'm not a big baseball fan. I am a Tigers fan, though. Given that, I couldn't care less what Inge does in Oakland. This walk-off is fool's gold. Good luck, Oakland.
They should put him back in the Home Run Derby, for old times sake.
Choosing between Inge and Rayburn is like choosing between a turd sandwich and a giant douche.
The most notable thing about Inge, to me, is that when Rod and Mario asked viewers to call in their player of the game, the player was inevitably Inge. Didn't matter if Inge was 0 for 5 with three strikeouts. Cabrera and Jackson could have driven in eight runs apiece and still Inge would lead the voting. He definitely cornered the honky vote.
well hell, since this thread is still on the front page and Oakland is playing right now should we do a liveblog?
Inge goes down swinging on first at-bat. BA drops to .143 and OBP drops to .204. On the plus side he was leading off the bottom of the second, so he didn't strand anyone.
Good bye baseball!!!