Agreed. If that didn't touch you, you have no soul. Or you are Coach K (same difference).
Tennessee is not recruiting well just because they got 18 dudes
Agreed. If that didn't touch you, you have no soul. Or you are Coach K (same difference).
We get it. You hate Krzyzewski. I bet K is the type of guy that cheers for the fire when watching Bambi and bets on the Don't Pass line in craps. That asshole.
Correct on all counts.
Isn't it fun to slam people we've never met?
Your wit is just too sharp.
I kind of thought it was a little too much touch. Seemed more like an awkward embrace, but that might be the PDA-phobic me coming out.
BTW anyone see Huggin's daughters? Yeah...
The kid just had a multi-million dollar pro career put in jeapordy, was in severe pain, and was about to leave early from the biggest game he ever participated in. He was visibly crushed, and was clearly sobbing. What Huggins did, if it helped, was appropriate.
Fair enough. I guess I should have made my point clearer.
I'm just a touchaphobe and I shutter at any contact. I feel bad for the kid and he deserves all the commemoration needed in any form necessary, but if I were him I would've just preferred a handshake. But I'm just a dude writing on a blog so why does it matter what I think?
I appreciate the fact that he clearly cares for his players. That doesn't mean I didn't think it was super awkward though.
Yeah! anytime a guy touches another one, it's sort of gay, right?
Who the fuck cares?
Wha? I didn't say it was gay or that I cared, it was just a little awkward.
And why is it awkward for a guy to hug another one who just had his body, future, and emotions crushed? What, precisely, makes that "awkward"?
I don't understand why what I've said has angered you, and I apologize for whatever it was, but he was almost laying on top of him, rubbing his face, etc. It looked awkward.
I think it's awesome that he's willing to do whatever it takes to comfort his player. I think it shows that he's deeply invested in their well-being. I don't think the situation looked gay. It was appropriate and caring.
That doesn't change the fact that I thought it looked awkward.
was wondering why exactly that's awkward. It was appropriate, caring and... it made you feel uncomfortable? You can't see why someone might be confused? How would you have felt if it was his mother? Just fine? The only thing I can guess is that it was a little out of place for your impression of Bob Huggins, but that seems like a stretch given we're talking about a gut reaction.
I understand where he's coming from, just not why he's all worked up about it. I wasn't uncomfortable with the situation... it just looked awkward. Not awkward in a homosexual way or PDA way, just plain awkward. The screenshot someone's posted appeared awkward to me. If it was his mother, it would have been just as appropriate and caring, but it still would have looked awkward on national television in the middle of a basketball court. (Record for using awkward most times in a post?)
Come on everyone, lets stop fighting and hug it out...oh wait
This was great stuff...
BlockM felt the moment was awkward between Huggins and Butler. There is no logic behind it, nor does there have to be. It just made him feel awkward, that's fine.
Chitownblue is angered by the fact that BlockM felt awkward about the moment between Huggins and Butler.
BlockM's had a gut reaction to what he was seeing and shared it.
Chitown then had a gut reaction to BlockM's gut reaction upon viewing the event.
This leads to a completely hilarious and manufactured argument where each person is trying to tell the other that their gut reaction was wrong.
Gotta love MGoBoard...
Are you stalking me today?
It just happens that you have been involved in the two most interesting discussions on the board today.
Everything else is:
"My brother's friend's uncle saw X player wearing a cast/boot, injuriezz?"
East Lansing isn't rioting, lolz, rofls
Not my fault you happen to partake in discussions about far most substantive topics.
This is incredibly accurate.
Sounds like we all agree I was right from the beginning...
think that the zoomed in camera shot of Huggins stroking Butler's face was a bit awkward. Certainly wish Butler the best, he's the only part of their program I like.
I'm assuming that you hadn't seen the moment in question when you made that post.
It was awkward because they were lying on the court, together, in front of 70,000 people. Huggins then proceeds to put his mouth about an inch from another mans mouth. For a moment I thought they were going to lock lips. So yeah, it was a bit awkward.
of The Marriage Ref to be weirded out by that scene.
John U Bacon awarded Huggins his "LOSER", this morning on his radio show for the obsequious behavior exhibited toward the injured player.
becomes a second father to many of his players. I don't have any children, but I can just imagine my reaction if my son had something similar happen. I would be the same way.
Yeah, my husband was skeeved about that scene, and we had a debate not unlike the one going on in this thread.
But I do have a son, and if he played basketball at that level and was lying out there in agony, it would bring me great comfort to see his coach offering him that depth of caring and compassion. It looked like an intimate moment, sure, but I don't find it surprising in that kind of intense coaching relationship.
Say what you want about Huggins (and some of it has merit) but that was a classy move.
Correction--you can't question that he appears to care about his players when he is on national TV.
Somebody is a little jaded.
It would be hard for him to get his players to buy in to a word he says if he didn't care about them.
I think Huggins is a dirty recruiter, but it's impossible to be a successful coach and not give a shit about your players.
I did not make any kind of conclusion about how he actually feels about his players.
and seeing anyone go through that is hard to watch. Huggins looked like a father to me, trying to calm him and help Butler cope with the pain. He is lucky that because of modern technology, he can play again in the future. Destroying your knee used to be a career ender.
Butler was a Beilein recruit and had great things to say about his offense. He seems like a class guy and I wish him all the best for a full and speedy recovery.
Best wishes to Butler... Hope he heals up fast, you hate to see that happen to anyone, but esp. to someone that by all accounts is a really good kid, and as a senior in his last game.
Respect to Huggins for how he consoled his player in that situation.
I really don't like him, but that was a extremely classy move. What a shame Da'Sean got injured like that. Just makes me hate Duke more.
i thought it was a nice display
I see many a tasteless photoshop coming from this image.
Just let it be chitown.
i got the image from ESPN front page. i posted it in case anyone didn't watch the game.
FTR, I didn't watch the game and this was the first time I saw what everyone was talking about. So it was worth it to post.
Seeing it out of context, I could see why people think it looks a little awkward. Huggins looks like he's sheltering a grown man from being attacked. In reality he's just comforting him given the immense pain and potentially life altering injury he just sustained. Is there anything wrong with that? No. If anything, I'd say it's an awkward pose in this particular still frame due to Butler being flat on the ground. Normally you see someone sitting up when embraced in a similar situation, and I will include the general caveat that you still don't normally see a coach do that with a player in any sport. I'm sure the whole clip would look a bit more normal and understanding.
Is because Bob Huggins has perpetual evil face, and looks like he might steal Butler's soul. Still, very touching, emotional moment, almost like the post BCS title game interview with Colt McCoy where you could see him tear up saying "I've taken that hit a thousand times before, and this time it just hit wrong, and now I just can't feel my arm, it doesn't hurt, I just.......I can't feel it."
It's awkward to us as fans because these men are really nothing but players to us. 99% of the people watching that game have never met Da'Shaun Butler or Bob Huggins, they aren't anything but names and numbers. To see that level of humanity out of them, that sort of raw, spur of the moment emotionality, it doesn't fit with how we watch the game. Yeah, theres the high's and low's you see because of wins and losses, but to see a kid in that kind of pain, the oh god I'm not sure I can ever play basketball again kind of pain, and then to see his coach, who most people view as a soulless, win at all cost, pure evil son of a bitch, go over and comfort him as if they were family, it's just strange to a lot of people.
I'll need a replay to determine if this is true, but I coulda sworn Huggins eskimo-kissed him.
PeteThamel of the NYT said
WVU spokesman told me Da'Sean Butler's injury is a sprained left knee. Further testing later this week.
So not quite career ending, but still nice to see a coach care for his players
If he cared so much about his players...why doesn't he care more if they graduate or not? Just sayin'. Potential Pro career isn't everything. Or even likely for most. He'd do them a better service to get so emotional when transcripts are issued with grades.
Who's to say he does not care? The 6 year graduation rate at Cincinnati is only 46%. That is LOW. There are certain institutionalized disadvantages to graduation at a place like Cincinnati -- be it social, economics, or educational -- that are much less of a barrier at a place like Duke. Huggins may have a sleazy history, but I suspect he's always cared.
Wasn't it 0% for a couple years though?
....there are family values at WVU!
It was touching for a very sad moment. Yeah the game was out of hand by the point he was injured, but to end your college career like that is very sad.
This display definitely changed the way I think about Huggins now. I have a lot more respect for him now.
But this was my reaction:
1. Shit that sucks for Butler
2. Wow that is really nice and caring by Huggins
3. Wow he is really hugging him a lot but I guess this is good
4. Why is he rubbing his face like it's his wife in a loving embrace
5. Waiting for the kiss
Was I the ONLY person here who honestly was waiting for the kiss from Huggins? It started out as a great gesture but got AWKWARD AS FUCK as it went on.
Neg bang if appropriate but I hope Butler is okay.
Well, I wasn't really expecting a kiss. But it did get a little awkward-looking after awhile. I also couldn't understand why they didn't get a stretcher/cart sooner. Even after he was carried off, he had to be left in a chair for another 2-3 minutes before a cart finally arrived. Where was the cart driver - in the restroom?
Did anyone else see his daughters during this???
The one on the right was smokin.
"WVU Coach Gets Physical With Players-NCAA to Investigate"
All kidding aside, I think that any good coach has to care about his players or at least make the players think he does (Saban). I didn't see this because my Duke hate had overwhelmed my ability to watch any more. Class move by Huggy.
Now where's some daughter pics?
I don't get the Duke hating. UConn and UNC have been more succesful over the last 15 years but there isn't the same hatred for them. So it's not just about winnng. If it's that they seem too prep school -ish(code for "too many white guys") then say it. I'd respect someone more for saying that than the usual kneejerk responses that they can't substantiate. Look at Huggy when the charge on Butler happened. You heard it on the mic and the announcer repeated it. Huggy said to the ref "I guess they don't foul." That's a common anti Duke complaint. Uhh Huggy it WAS a charge AND Duke got called for more fouls than you 16-12.
Also when WV bounced Duke in the tourny 2 years ago Joe Mazzolla taunted Duke after the loss by slaping the floor(Duke 90's thing on defense) in their direction. It got a little attention this week but not much. If it was the other way around we all know it would have been front page stuff all week. But Duke just let the butt kicking do their talking. Their guys go to school and K runs a clean pogram. They do it the right way.
still bitter about the game where they got off to a 34-2 start on us and also when they beat us for the national title. But yeah, they dominate and they do it cleanly (as far as we know).
Duke's kids go to school and Coach K's solid but
They are just so much fun to hate on!
That's cool when it's just about fun like your case. It's just odd when people who aren't fans of their rivals(UNC, NCSt,etc) have actual pure hatred for them. it's like "Really?"
...there was a time when WE considered ourselves a rival to them.
I think part of it is that people tend to pick a side in most rivalries. Duke v. UNC being a big one. Most people pick UNC for whatever reason. But saying it is odd to not like a team when you have no rivalry with them is false. Most people hate the Yankees, but most of those people are not Red Sox fans.
i muttered as i left to get a beer. is that guy gonna have huggins' baby?
With all due respect, you sir are an asshole.
With about as little respect as I can muster, you sir are a fucking asshole.
Why are you peoples assuming Peg is a sir?
I understand how difficult it could be for Butler. Just last week one of the seniors (and leaders) on our football team messed his knee up on the last play of our divisional final. He was absolutely gutted having to miss the rest of the season and basically finishing his football career. And this is football in the UK we're talking about here... not multi-million dollar career to look forward to
Reminds me of Rich Brooks at Kentucky. I think it was last year when his QB threw a game-ending interception late against Georgia. The guy came back to the sideline with tears and Brooks just let the kid fall into his arms.
But was it awkward?
Not until they saw each other the next day at practice...
Da'Sean Butler's knee injury apparently was as serious as it looked. He suffered a torn ACL, a minor MCL sprain, and two bone bruises.
I wonder what this does to his draft status. Terrible news for him.
I never was a Huggins fan, but what he did last night was genuine.
My hats off to him, and I wish Butler a speedy recovery. I don't like seeing bad things happen to good people.
The thing about Huggins is he doesn't give a shit what the media or fans think. He's there for his players and he has their respect. That's all that matters.