FWIW, BWI is much nuttier. BSD is an argument, at least.
An argument for sterilization.
Where else are you going to hear that it was Michigan's fault, because we were jealous of PSU?
Well we had so much trouble beating them under the Carr Regime that we had to do something. We were just away with jealous and....
Oh wait, that's right, they gave us less trouble than Iowa or Wisconsin most years and the one year they were good, Henne to Manningham.
Proudly banned from BWI circa 2002.
BWI circa 2002...I remember it well. That was when I first read that Lloyd Carr paid off the refs to help give us the win over PSU 2 years prior....which we won 33-11.
That must have been quite a check Lloyd wrote.
Yes, I have been over there a few times this past week and could not agree more with EVERYTHING you said.
I'm still wondering, why do I need to read the Freeh report? They never say what I'm supposed to see that the all hating media won't say because it would cripple their convient bashing of a JoePa story.
The important thing when you have zero firsthand knowledge about something is to be loud, determined, and unwavering in promoting your view. Passion and bluster >>> thoughtful, balanced, careful consideration.
I would attribute it to the lunatic fringe, but there is a board memebr who is essentially spouting that crap work for word, isn't there?
Michigan fans would react the same.
There are plenty of people in any fanbase that would react the same way that people at BSD are. I just hope those theoretical Michigan fans know the difference between your and you're.
There would certainly be some fans who behaved like PSU fans, but I don't know that it would be so unanimous. We didn't blindly rally around our basketball program when it got hit with sanctions.
The 2009 Jihad begs to differ.
It's pretty hard to make an apples to apples comparison between Practicegate and the PSU mess.
I'll raise you a better example: the Ed Martin scandal. That had serious ramifications for our basketball program, but Michigan fans did not blindly lash out at the NCAA.
People act as if other schools would be better, but the lunatic fringe always pops up. I do think that the defensiveness of the PSU faithful is a bit misguided, but they also are hurting in a way that no school's fanbase has ever really experienced. To look down on them as a whole because a couple of knuckleheads are ranting seems foolish.
MLive would be a cesspit of support for child rape (if the chose was support child rape or face sanctions), but places like MGoBlog and the like would be rational. PSU's main problem is they appear not to have one single sane site. Look at Off Tackle Empire for example, the other B1G fanbases are united with us on the fact PSU is crazy and they mock PSU on it. It's the lack of even one sane site that makes PSU look extra bad.
one front page post that has to do with the scandal, the rest is about football and even basketball. Looks like they are handling it pretty well.
I tried to read the most recent post, the one on Beckmann, and I had to stop about midway through. Just brutal stuff.
The photo purporting to be the Illinois coaches is pretty funny though...
The article, however, is painful.
We are all wrong about him, apparently.
That's a shitty story to write. A journalist throws questions at her as she's walking down the street. She says she loves her husband and that she can't believe the stories, and it gets written up as if she's making some grand public statement proclaiming his innocence.
when your husband is responsible for the criminal acts and for being part of what brought down PSU, you have to expect every word you utter will be publicized, and that it will be done for the benefit of the media outlet/reporter, not to benefit the family.
If everything that happened is as it was reported, you will never, ever convince me that a woman lived in that house and had no clue as to what was going on, so I'm a long way from being able to feel any sympathy.
Cut them some slack. I have a bigger problem with lack of leadership at PSU, and it has allowed delusional fans like Anthony Lubrano to get into positions of power on the Board of Trustees and only make it harder for the university to move forward.
I'd say they're vacillating between denial and anger. A majority of posters refuse to acknowledge that Paterno or the administrators did anything wrong and continue to justify their behavior. Alternatively, they think this was a smokescreen by their governor in order to divert attention away from the organized pedophile ring that got him elected.
Penn State fans are literally all over the map when it comes to where they are between "anger" and "denial", and to a lesser extent, "bargaining" (there are a few scratching the surface of this phase).
A summary scan of the BSD threads finds one which wonders whether or not the release of the Freeh Report was a good idea, asking if the Board of Trustees should perhaps have had the chance to review it. Another poster talks about the little things they could just do, such as support the team, but also suggests a boycott of the sponsors that jumped ship. Still another thread is attempting to discredit Louis Freeh himself by posting a BusinessWeek article about a coverup at the FBI. There are numerous threads decrying the NCAA sanctions - some in a nonsensical manner, others it a somewhat more collected but still essentially flawed manner.
In essence, they are far from fully comprehending all this, and I think that, if this where they are right now, it will be a long fall on their boards as well. Keep in mind, of course, that this is a small sample of their total fanbase.
That's not a Business Week (which is a reputable pub), it's Business Insider, which looks like the business version of Bleacher Report.
...when there may be hookers dying at SMU.
Hookers have turn the tide on that rivalry. Hell hookers everywhere are starting to believe. Robbing SMU players is a good start.
Before condeming the reaction at BSD ask yourself if it's out of the ordinary. If 2 out of every 3 PSU fans agreed with the sanctions, would you expect those in agreement to post?? "Yay we got what we deserved?" Wouldn't passive, silent acquiescense be the more normal response? One normally has a greater propensity to speak up and post when they disagree with the matter at hand. To extrapolate that comments on BSD, which represent but a minor fraction of PSU fandom, are indicative of the prevalent attitude of PSU fandom in general, is a logical failure on your part.
Except that BSD does not appear to be an outlier. Every PSU website, be it their Rivals, Scout, 24/7, SBN, etc. site, is making the same arguments. They're all overwhemingly pro-JoePa and are convinced that the media is conducting a "witch hunt."
If there really is a "silent majority" that disagrees with them, they don't seem to be posting anywhere on the internet.
Are there any PSU boards or blogs that aren't primarily focused on sports? I suspect the prevailing opinions could be different among PSU alums who are casual fans or non-fans.
Sure, but what's the point of seeing what non-fans think about all this? They have no personal attachment to the program.
The post above implied that large numbers of PSU football fans agreed with the sanctions. I haven't seen evidence of that anywhere. Usually, when a program gets hammered by the NCAA, you will find a faction of the fanbase - even hardcore fans - that agrees with the punishment. It was true for us when we were punished for the Ed Martin scandal. I loved the Fab Five, for instance, but I agreed with taking down the banners.
There seems to be something particularly cultish about that fanbase. The fact that this directly implicates Paterno, the object of their worship, is too much for them to handle.
Pennsylvania is Philadelphia and Pittsburgh with Alabama in between....
I checked this out a few days ago and it read like RCMB.
"I have never seen such a deluded group outside of scientology."
Religious intolerance/bigotry is intolerance/bigotry regardless of the religion. They're all a little wacky, and I'm a practicing Catholic...
Tom Cruise And Friends are farther off base than radical Islamic terrorists to this guy. Interesting.
Can we just stop posting non-content from "rival" blogs all together? It doesn't really shock me that someone said something stupid on the internet. I don't know why we have to point at it and gasp every time.
But..but..but he's posting fresh viewpoints on these rival blogs! Oh wait, no he's not. We all know their site is filled with crazies and it was discussed plenty already. Dumb thread.
This is a rivalry I look forward to for weeks to come until one of you snaps and gets the banhammer
I had an ounce of sympathy for PSU fans until they had the gall to compare it to the Yeardley Love murder, in which the UVA administration did not pretend a murder didn't take place.
Erickson did the right thing to accept the summary judgment of the NCAA. To drag this out would give this fringe/insanity more legs than it already has. Franco Harris was lobbying for the statue to stand as is right up to it's removal.
If this happened here we would be crazy too. It wouldn't happen here, but fans are fans.
I have a guy that I work with who is a PSU grad and I picked his brain about the issue and he is in as much denial as all the people on the PSU boards. It is pretty insane the things that he says. He doesn't fault JoePa at all, it seems.
I'd guess that those boards have had a significant drop in unique visitors over the last few weeks. I avoid the board like the plague after nasty Michigan events because those events always bring out the worst in the lunatic fringe. Things are probably no different there.
I hear about PSU? Did something happen there? O_o
is that sometimes a punishment is meant to hurt. Not every punishment is fair nor does every punishment teach a lesson. Sometimes a punishment is done specifically to make things more difficult. The fact is that PSU benefited from having a coach for ten more years rather than having to hire someone new and going through a transition period. People lied to protect a freaking football program over children getting raped. I think they should have gotten the death penalty honestly. PSU fans should be grateful that they can still watch football on Saturdays at all.