Remembering when you first found out wrestling was fake would absolutely make a great documentary.
OT- Bill Simmons shines again with Wrestlemania column
Joe Louis Arena, British Bulldogs vs. Hart Foundation for the tag titles. Davy Boy Smith gets hit with Jimmy Hart's megaphone, Bret Hart pins him with Jim Neidhart laughing the entire time, and as my dad explained to me afterwards with me in tears in the car, why do you think Davy Boy got up right way and walked out instead of getting carted out with a broken nose and blood streaming down his face?
Crushed for multiple days. Recovered in time to witness Wrestlemania 3 in person.
It was way better in the 90's. Both the personalities and the fact that they were all on steroids back then so were HUGE. It really allowed you to suspend cynicism and take it all in.
Apparently this guy never found out.
I thought that was just a terrible column, horrible.
But to each his own.
Best wrestler of the late 90's was Hollywood Hogan IME - best gimmick ever.
but I was watching the show the night he ditched the black Hollywood gimmick and returned to The Hulkster Red & Gold, Rick Derringer 'Real American' persona... I'll admit, I shed a tear of happiness and felt the world was returning to normal a little.
gimmick was so great.
The Hulkster real American act had grown stale and out of nowhere we get evil Hogan, that was great booking.
when Hulk went heel with the Hollywood gimmick, it probably was the most inspired booking in the history of wrestling (possible exception was the Stone Cold vs. Mr McMahon feud). But once WCW folded and the NWO was a running joke, time was right for Hulk to switch back to the good guy and come full circle as he moved toward the end of his headliner career.
Hollywood Hogan may have been the best wrestler of the late 90s, but the best wrestler of all time is clearly Greg "The Hammer" Valentine.
Don't forget that possibly the best match ever occurred in the great state of Michigan at the old Silverdome
and still think that Hulkster slamming The Giant was the real reason the Berlin Wall fell.. it just took a couple years for the vibrations to reach Germany.
Savage v Santana was a better match that night. I'll go to my grave with that opinion.
Best WRESTLERs of the late 1990s?
Unfortunately, doesn't Chris Benoit have to be near the top of this list?
wrestler of the late 90's era, but while Jericho was slightly behind Benoit in skill, he surpassed Benoit with a better persona as a pro wrestler. If Benoit had any type of ring persona, he would have been top card headliner in any league, but since you had to be a wrestling INSIDERZ too understand how good Benoit was, he suffered. The matches with him and Jericho in WCW were some of the best technical matches on TV.
You nailed it, 100%.
Lock the thread.
Mickey Rourke is the greatest wrestler of all time!
I went to WM III and had a great time. The Hogan-Andre match was the most "historic" because Andre "put Hogan over," but the Savage-Steamboat match was the best match I ever saw, at least until ladder matches were "invented" a few years later. It had a reputation among fans as a "best-ever" match, too.
What I liked the most about Savage-Steamboat is that it was a precursor to the "modern" era of wrestling, where there is a lot more action and there are a lot less "rest holds." If you watch most matches from that era, they are boring compared to those of today. The Savage-Steamboat match would still fit into any PPV today as one of the best matches, even considering today's pace.
was that the one where Savage crushed Steamboat's larynx with a ringbell from the top rope?
just for the fact that he stuck to his word and never wrestled for McMahon. He would have been a great addition to the WWF/WWE, but his dislike of McMahon probably kept from making big (bigger) dollars.
Though his wrestling career was short did anyone make a bigger impact then Goldberg in such a short time? He got so big so quick that Vince even resorted to mocking him since he was WCW to start.
That is all.
TNA turning into WCW 2. All those guys you mention wrestled for the WWE also so does that mean that we should have kept WCW and got rid of the WWE?
Actually, the whole Hogan persona was the real fraud. Steriods are not vitamins.
His Ladder match with Shawn Michaels was the greatest wrestling match of all time. That would be the one and only wrestling match i'd ever want to watch again.
Hey Yo! I'ma let you finish but any number of the Hell in a Cells were the greatest matches of all time.
PS: Razor Ramon was unstoppable in one of the WWF games on SNES. the one with Doink and Kevin Nash... Bret Hart. Not the In Your House arcade bullshit. It might have been Royal Rumble or something. Damn that game was the shit.
Bret Hart was my hero
when ppv came through as scrambled shit but you could hear the audio fine. so i would listen to PPVs. and for some bizarre reason i thought, during the Montreal Screwjob "one's gonna win the match with the other's finishing move." and then it happened.
it's like a redneck meme:
where were you when bret hart got screwed over?
I payed good money to watch in horror as my hero was raped in the ring by the wrestling biz.
Also WCW sucked balls imo.
I know this thread was sort of about wrestling. HOWEVA, I do agree with the OP that Bill Simmons is a great columnist. He is pretty much the only reason I still visit the ESPN website. I always enjoy his columns partly because they are peppered with pop culture references. I really truly do laugh out loud when I am reading one of his mailbags or columns. The best Simmons column I ever read was when he wrote about the 10 year anniversary of the OJ Simpson verdict. Just a great column about a truly interesting event. If anyone is interested here is the link.
Couldn't agree more, and I loved this column. I thought this was classic Simmons. He had gotten away from this kind of writing for a while, particularly when he was working on his book. But he seems to be back in full form, and the wait on the book was worth it. I would advise anyone and everyone to pick up a copy.
The man is a genius. I hope ESPN is paying him well. I love how he basically admits that he didn't need to make this a work thing but it saved him from buying and saved him from the wrath of his wife. His is so funny. Everything he writes it amazing. I listen to his podcast every time there is a new one...
Simmons has turned into an assclown. I've been reading his stuff for literally over 15 years since back when he was AOL only on Digital City Boston.
As he's progressed in his career, he's become a shell of his former self. He's turned into basically everything he used to hate: living in LA, celebrity, media whore, etc.
I wouldn't say that he sold out, but he has started to name-drop far more than he used to. My guess is that as the world has become littered with bloggers with similar writing styles and takes as him (in part because they emulate his style), he has felt more and more inclined to rely on the "access" elements his fame provides over the others. Before, he was one of the few MSM guys who wrote in this barstool sort of way, but now you literally have hundreds of sites that utilize the same sports/pop culture style. He clearly isn't as good as he once was, but I think this column reminds people of how good he can be.
I used to be a big SG fan and obviously he's way past his prime, but that part made me crack up. Great column.
anyone remember Saturday morning wrestling when Papa Shango cursed Ultimate Warrior and UW started fake vomiting EVERYWHERE? most insane shit everrrrrrr
and man was i glad to be old enough to ask "what the fuuuuuuuck" during Undertaker's "Ministry of Darkness" days? like when he raised Stephanie McMahon on a cross while she screamed and he rolled his eyes back and Minion danced around like a douche? that was a dark day for the WWF...
I remember all those moments. I watched even through the bad years.
Also, people who like this type of "wrestling" seriously scare me in a myriad of ways.
I was 8 years old, and my Dad took my friends and I to Richfield colliseum, the main event was The Ultimate Warrior vs. The Undertaker. Here's a question, who didn't have the poster of Sable with the painted on hands??
I basically worshipped Stone Cold. He gave me chills multiple times like when he would say "Austin 3:16 says I just whipped yur ASS!!". One of my favorite and most nerdy moments as a fan was when Vince's wife hired him as something like Vice Pres. of WWF and he was gonna screw Vince once again! His music came on as she announced it was him and I was fist pumping and cheering in my basement...alone.
When he was done and the John Cenas of the world came in I lost interest. I also had to secretly watch because my parents wouldn't let me otherwise.
by Chris Jericho in WWF... or WWE .. or whatever it was back then. They'd been running the countdown clock and he comes in and interrupts the Rock.. making for the funniest 10 minutes I'd ever seen on wrestling.
It's not the same without guys like the Rock, Foley and Stone Cold.... even the way McMahon and his son and daughter played parts.
The soap opera of ring entertainment catering to the lowest common denominator!
This would be more appropriate on an Ohio State blog where they would debate it for years.
Those ECW matches between Malenko and Benoit were crazy. I have a DVD with one of their matches, and even today you can just see how in-tune they were and how, when you are not trying to out pop the next guy, a good match can be just with two guys working a storyline in the ring.
Steiner Bros. George the Animal Steel. Gotta have UM/Detroit in the mix.
All I remember is how the WCW was about the product in the ring while the WWF/WWE was about gimmicks....or at least that's what they told everyone. I was a moderate wrestling fan who's favorite time was during the WCW vs. NWO days (one of the best wrestling video games as well) and I liked Sting.