Sometimes I start to almost feel bad for Cleveland sports fans. Then I remember that they are also probably tOSU fans and it goes away.
OT: Bill Simmons on the LeBronocalypse
I wish i could +1,000,000 this.
My sentiments exactly. The only person I feel bad for is my former Michigan roommate from Cleveland
My old roommate is also a Michigan fan from Cleveland. He's definitely a Mich fan and definitely doesn't like OSU, but sometimes I get the feeling he's less anti-OSU than the rest of us (if that makes sense). So I still don't feel bad for him as a Cleveland fan....
Yes, I know this individual you refer to. Mantooth is right: we have questioned his envy of OSU's success (although it is understandable in football, unfortunately). However, the man is going to be heartsick when Lebron announces he's going elsewhere.
However, we have plenty of other friends who are from Ohio, and some from Cleveland, who despise the Buckeyes. That's because they all made the right decision to go to U of M.
And wonder if he can take another hit. I was with him when the Indians blew the World Series. And the Brown were taken away. This might be the last straw. Still, it was also pretty funny...
Being from Cleveland, I'm sort of a Browns fan, although I don't care about the NFL all that much, I don't really care about Baseball all that much to claim fandom towards one team. I am a CAVS fan back to the Price/Nance/Daugherty (sp) teams.
I see Browns fans around here, and listen to them talk, and feel bad for them. Then they start talking about OSU, and that feeling goes away and I instantly hate them. I can't stand them. I want nothing to do with them.
The Browns fans that don't care about tOSU, they seem ok. But there is just something about Cleveland sports fans/tOSU that rubs me the wrong way (more so for OSU). And speaking with my friend who is a Steelers fan, it is this:
They will always spin things in their favor. No worries that the Browns are 1-11 the last 12 vs Pittsburgh. But they are 1-1 the last two, or 1-0 vs them at home this year. Then there is the "there is always next year" line of BS. Its always something, always some line of BS that just makes you want to punch them in the face.
Perpetrated by nyc and Cleveland. Hire a competent GM and players will consider you. Jeez
He encouraged Cleveland to pin all of it's years of misery on his back so he could be the savior and seems to be leaving them without delivering the promised championship. I think "betrayal" is appropriate.
LBJ can't do it alone, and he's defnitely not getting done with an over-the-hill Shaq. I don't blame him for wanting to go somewhere that's willing to go out and put quality players around him.
and Jamison, Big Z, Williams...
All former all stars I believe. Sounds like he just can't carry a team on his back. Besides, the last playoff series loss is on his back, and his alone...so maybe he does need 2 elite all stars to make him look good. Its Cleveland or betrayal
Agreed. If you're so committed to the town you grew up in, why not recruit some of those big names to come to you instead of going somewhere else? I understand Lebron being frustrated with his situation in Cleveland but they built a team that made it to the finals and got steamrolled by the Spurs. That team also posted the NBA's best record two years in a row after getting swept by the Spurs. They had the pieces but LeBron and co. couldn't handle the playoffs, not to mention Brown being a horrible coach with no respect in the locker room.
the fact that the Cavs have gone out of their way to try to add anybody that LeBron wanted to try to chase a title now.
"Hey, LBJ, you want to play with Jamison? Ok, we'll give up a first round draft pick for a 20 game rental who doesn't play defense and take on his salary for next year too, which means we won't be in a position to add anybody over the summer and we won't have a single draft pick. Sound good? We'll do whatever you ask, ok, just don't leave, please? Please?"
Ironically, I think the Cavs would have been in a better position to keep LeBron and add more good players now if they hadn't tried to cater to every request of his to "upgrade" the roster midseason over the past few years to try to appease him.
No offense if you watch jamison he tried his best on D while in cleveland there is a difference between not playing and not being good at. There is like 20 times i can remember where garnett hit a shot over the hand of jamison in the eastern semis
His defensive effort against Garnett left a lot to be desired. KG caught the ball wherever he wanted, moved unimpeded to anywhere else he wanted to go, and Jamison was a spectator.
I would venture to say that Jamison has all the requisite physical tools to play solid defense and that his main problem is not really wanting to.
In his defense though, KG seems like he's crazy, so I don't know if I'd want to piss him off, either.
Have you seen KG? dude IS crazy
What's Cleveland's salary cap room this year?
People have to get over the Cavs roster. It's not that great. It's good but not NBA Champion great. Jamison is once again a solid NBA player but not a game changer. Big Z is old,slow and barley grabs mins. Williams is a regular season hero who plays solid when it's not for real. Once playoff time comes... Mo is a complete fraud. Kobe wouldn't have won a championship with that roster.
Exactly. I keep hearing pundits and others talking about how the Cavs won 61 games last year with their current roster, and that's a garbage reason for LeBron to stay. NBA regular season records mean virtually nothing beyond home court advantage.
The Cavs are not built to win in the playoffs. They don't have the matchups, and they don't have any one single player who can consistently take the pressure off of LeBron. They don't have the bigs to step out and guard the Rashard Lewis, and Lamar Odom type big men, and they also lack the defensive ability to handle elite point guards. LeBron can carry them in the regular season, but in the playoffs the Cavs are easily exposed.
and this shit is getting really old. I hate all Ohio teams, but kinda like Lebron. But more for his personality. This shit is on local news, all over ESPN as everyone else knows. But a whole hour show just for a one minute decision. Gimme a break and get over yourself already!
Well considering these days every 2-star and up recruit has a big press conference to announce their decision I think Lebron having a one-hour special is pretty obligatory. At least the proceeds are going to charity.
I hope he comes out to a table of baseball hats to choose from. Then he has to look down at them as if he really can't decide. Maybe pick one or two of them up and look at them only to toss them aside until it comes down to just two hats - Cleveland and Miami. After another moment or two of fake contemplation, he reaches for . . . . . . . . . . .
Tune in tonight @ 9.
Simmons makes a lot of good points, one being that Lebron evidently has no one around him to tell him that this might not be the best way to go about things. It feels like a Jimmy Clausen type ordeal when there's no reason for it to be. Granted, he's proving to be a hell of a business man milking this thing for all it's worth. Just imagine what would happen if he announced tonight that he's planning to take another week to "sort some things out."
Lebron's posse is playing a big role in this. Pushing away agents and advisors are not the way to maximize exposure and revenue in a positive way. I'm not saying that NBA agents and people like WW Wes are looking out for Lebron, but I would assume they know more about selling players and building a brand than his best friend from high school.
Lebron will still make tons of money, but I know this whole ordeal has left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths. I don't think creating all this drama has made him any fans, and he's sure to disappoint far more people tonight than he'll make happy.
Just for Lebroncolypse alone. Truly a megafantastic word. My previous thought of "lebronnening" pales in comparison and is far too nerdy for most mortals.
Well played, good sir!
I did not invent the word, as Simmons mentions it a couple of times in the article. Unless you meant, "Well played, good sir" to Simmons.
I don't want to take credit for something that isn't mine.
for the 8 days of free agency madness!
I was at the Q for the Cavs home opener 2 seasons ago. The upper bowl was at least half empty, and they had a 23 yr old LeBron in uniform. Shame on them.
For some reason at an NBA game, they flashed the block M on the jumbotron, and drew vicious boos. So, Fuck Cleveland. LeBron's not going back, and they will be pathetic, and I will enjoy that very much.
+1 to your sentiment
I was watching a Cavs game on TV and noticed the beautiful block M on their scoreboard over the court. I will feel no mercy when LeBron leaves. Hey Buckeyes, let the pain of LeBron's departure sink in real deep. Marinate your heart in it.
Just make it past tense.
'We should have been witnesses'
To Zero Titles
"We are all witless."
FWIW: According to the official Cleveland Tourism Video their economy is based on LeBron...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM&feature=related (30 second mark)
The last time the Pistons beat the Cavs in the playoffs was right whent his witness stuff came out. The Pistons were killing the Cavs in game 2 (I believe) and at half time Charles Barkely said, "We are all witnesses. Witnesses to an ass kicking." Funny dude.
On the bright side, 38 workers now get their window offices back.
Or LeBron, or any of the Cleveland sports teams, I feel sorry for the people, the businesses downtown, and the such. I know it's popular to have negative feelings toward Cleveland people and stuff, but I worked there, I know a lot of good people from the area, and downtown Cleveland is set to lose a lot of money if LeBron doesn't come back. The people of Cleveland are the ones that are going to suffer because of this, and I feel a little sorry for them.
Essentially it just sucks that, in the state the economy is in, so much is dependent on one player in one sport for the success of business in a particular city, but I guess that's just the truth of the matter.
LeBron James got what he wanted: adoration, adoration, adoration. And maybe I'm wrong, but I really think Cleveland will get what it wants: another half-dozen years of LeBron James. It should be the perfect marriage. It's just too bad that James is such a shameless flirt.
Since the City of Cleveland has won any type of professional championship. I would make a tote board sign but the size of the sign alone would cause me to lease a luxury suite.
with a counter. Much cheaper.
Our local NBC station is having a three-hour special on LeBron leading up to tonight's announcement. Three hours.
It's not absurd if you are from Ohio. I mean that's all they have down there.
Stephen A. Smith wins the Woodward & Bernstein Award for reporting last week that Wade/LeBron/Bosh in Miami was "done."
Had Smith said, "I learned tonight that Miami is the prohibitive favorite to get all three; someone would have to go back on their word for this not to happen," then it played out the way it had, he would have been the NostradamuSAS of this thing. But he tried to get engaged without the ring. Still, he gets a partial credit for sniffing it out.
Somewhat contradictory here, but OK. Of course, he later writes:
The truth is, New York might not mean anything to LeBron, just like college football recruits don't care about Notre Dame any more.
This is incredibly, incredibly dumb. Notre Dame, despite being very mediocre for quite awhile, still has managed to draw top-tier recruiting classes year after year.
Yeah, I don't think Simmons knows a whole lot about college football. I don't get the whole "recruits don't care about tradition/programs that used to be great but have struggled for a while." I am the same age as these recruits, and I know ND is one of the most successful programs of all time. I don't remember them ever being that good since I can only remember back to around 2002 or 2003, but I still know that they have been successful in the past, and will be again someday.
And you win the Drew P. Sharp award for taking quotes out of context to make a point...?
If you read the article Simmons doens't contradict himself at all on the Stephen A. Smith point. He's basically saying that he thought SAS was crazy when the Heat thing came out, now if that pans out SAS looks like the oracle. Then he uses Smith's quote as an example of the quasi-fact based reporting that has been going on for weeks with all this....his point is that instead of providing facts and a disclaimer that things could change, SAS and every other reporter is spouting off half-truths as stone cold locks to get attention. You pulled two quotes from two different parts of the article.
His point on ND isn't that off base...compared to the 60s/70s/80s ND doesn't have the same intrigue as it once did on a national scale. Just like the NY Knicks aren't a premier destination for free agents unless you're past your prime and want a payday.....
Great...now I sound like I'm hard for Simmons. Eh well...
I fail to see how I'm taking quotes out of context. In the case of the Stephen A. Smith point, he first lauds Smith for fantastic journalism on the Lebron-Wade-Bosh to Miami deal, should it pan out, and then says that Smith wrote something only partly true. In my opinion, if you write something prematurely so that it is only partly true, then you are not engaging in fantastic journalism. On the contrary, you're being unethical.
Secondly, Notre Dame has been highly successful in the realm of recruiting, despite their recent mediocrity. This suggests that Notre Dame a) still does have quite a bit of intrigue and more importantly, b) is viewed favorably by the top football recruits of today, which directly contradicts what Bill SImmons said. Simmons was making a jab at Notre Dame because most of the country does not like Notre Dame and enjoy it when Notre Dame is abused. The problem is that the jab was laughably dumb and inaccurate, highlighting Simmons' tendency to engage in his self-styled brand of relatively ignorant sports-based populism.
The reason I mention this is because reading Bill Simmons' take on sports would be much more enjoyable if he would just stick to writing things he's actually versed in, rather than detract from his otherwise quality articles with ignorant, idiotic anecdotes that often don't even relate to the point he's trying to make.
OK, to your first point...
Him "praising" SAS is pretty tongue-in-cheek if you ask me. He's basically saying SAS took a huge (unethical if you will) gamble by writing that, but if it turns out to be true he looks awesome. He then expands on that point later in the article with your second quote. Maybe we're just reading it differently, but I don't think he is giving SAS much credit and actually takes a shot at the SAS type of journalism later on. I read a lot of Simmons' NBA stuff so I guess I'm used to him ragging on SAS anyway...that could be it.
On the ND thing...yes, I agree they have never had a problem recruiting and that alone is evidence of a solid reputation as a national power. I'm just going off perception I guess...and common sense (not that you don't have it...not saying that) when I say they don't bring the same "it" factor to the table that they did when they were winning NCs (obvious I guess).
They can't be recruiting THAT well, and doing as badly as they have been. Because as much as we like to dissect coaches, it's talent that makes a coach look good or bad. They're classes are rated high, because they're Notre Dame. And they're not talentless. But it's not what it once was. And that's because Simmons is right. Used to be Notre Dame was looked at AS college football, the team, and the only really National School. Then the tv coverage expanded, parents could watch their kid play at Indiana as much as they could at ND, people from New Jersey would go to USC as likely as ND or Penn State, scholarships came down, and ND became what they are now...a down, but elite program...but no different than USC, or Michigan, or Nebraska, or any other power program. And really they used to be one, on their own. Now they just think they are. So Simmons is right.
Yes, agreed, well put. That's the biggest difference I see between ND now and ND of my grandfather and father's era.
People can argue whether ND has lost their "it" factor, but based on your points, my points, and general public perception I think it's a no brainer.
I especially liked the part on how going to Miami would be a cop-out
"I think it's a cop-out. Any super-competitive person would rather beat Dwyane Wade than play with him. Don't you want to find the Ali to your Frazier and have that rival pull the greatness out of you? That's why I'm holding out hope that LeBron signs with New York or Chicago (or stays in Cleveland), because he'd be saying, "Fine. Kobe, Dwight and Melo all have their teams. Wade and Bosh have their team. The Celtics are still there. Durant's team is coming. I'm gonna go out and build MY team, and I'm kicking all their asses." That's what Jordan would have done. Hell, that's what Kobe would have done.
That was a fantastic article. I know Simmons has his detractors, but he is my favorite sports writer and has a way of breaking down situations like no other.
Ah, couldn't resist....
Well, if we can't get Izzo out of East Lansing, then getting LeBron out of Ohio is the next best thing.
Suck it Cleveland.
You had seven years to construct a championship team with LeBron James and failed to do so. I hope he leaves, and I hope your pro sports franchises never win a title.
Do you really think there is anything you can say to us that could make us feel worse than any of our sports failures? We are already the butt of every joke, we have already experienced several things that are 1 in a million. I have experienced so much sports heart ache I can't take it anymore. Stop acting like any of you know what it's like because you don't. I could give a FUCK how bad the Lions are, you've had success with the Tigers, the Pistons and of course the Wings. We have had success with NOTHING! Lebron doesn't owe us anything, and he has given us 7 great years. The only thing he does owe us, after everything we've been through, after all the hard earned money we've spent on him, after blindly loving him even when he fails, is to not go on national prime time television, bend us over, and completely rub our faces in it while the whole country laughs at us once again as replays Edgar Renteria, Michael Jordan and John Elway are played for the 1000th time. The way he has handled this has absolutely disgusted me to my core. He has never been my favorite Cavs player because no one will ever replace Mark Price for me. We've had enough, is it really worth giving Cleveland one more shot? Go fuck yourself!
Yea, that is a slighty shocked French face, bitch.
And the great Cleveland/Ohio sports meltdown begins! Huzzah!
Please don't stop there. This is delicious. It tastes German... like a little schnitzle with schadenfeude sprinkled over it.
If he signs in Miami, they should force a name change to the Miami Mercenaries or the Miami Hessians or something.
Everyone will root against that team. And since the Heat don't actually have any fans (oh, they'll have people show up, but they're probably the worst bandwagon franchise on the planet), that means basically every basketball fan will be against them. It will be glorious to see them lose in the 2nd round to an actual team in the East.
What if the new collective bargaining agreement does away with the MLE? Miami could potentially be hamstrung with 3 stars and 9 minimum players. As good as their top three would be, that's a tough way to win a championship. If Wade gets injured, Miami is probably significantly worse than Cleveland has been for the past few years.
There's a danger in placing value on anything beyond next season. The NBA's current salary structure is untenable, and there will be changes. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a move towards a hard cap, and with that, a team paying three max guys is going to have trouble putting quality components around them.
I tend to agree that the NBA is fine, and yes there are owners that have no problem spending the money, but there are also owners that are pretty stingy (Hornets, Clippers, etc.). I think there is a fear in NBA offices of becoming just like baseball, whwere only the "haves" can compete on a yearly basis.
Secondly, even owners willing to spend money can't be happy with how willing some teams are to vastly overpay for "veteran" talent, which simply drives the cost of their own signings up. Just because owners can and will spend money, doesn't mean they want to.
Because it's true everywhere....if LeBron gets hurt...if Kobe gets hurt...if Howard gets hurt....etc...each team is done.
My only point was that Miami won't have much depth, thus, one injury to Wade vs. an Injury to a supporting player on the Cavs will have a bigger difference on Miami.
I mean, if it's really piggybacking a win, why not force a sign and trade with the Lakers? If Wade and LeBron are scary, how about Kobe and LeBron? I bet Phil Jackson's back would feel a lot better if he had both those guys, and was guaranteed title after title....
I think Bill is pissed that he's been predicting Chicago all along, and now looks to be wrong. I love Rose as a player, but he WAY overrates Noah. Good player, but not one of the tops in the League at his position. And Boozer can't even play a full season, and isn't Mr. Personality. I think he wins as much or more in Miami. Just gets less credit for it.
And I agree with you about the Heat. Sets up a good ND/Cowboys/Yankees team for the NBA. You either love them or hate them. And Miami doesn't deserve it. But they have a pretty damn cool football team.
LBJ = Lyndon B. Johnson
All others are posers.
go to espn.com takes this gem
He knows better than anyone what kind of sports anguish they have suffered over the years. Losing LeBron on a contrived one-hour show would be worse than Byner's fumble, Jose Mesa, the Game 5 meltdown against Boston, The Drive, The Shot and everything else. At least those stomach-punch moments weren't preordained, unless you believe God hates Cleveland (entirely possible, by the way). This stomach-punch moment? Calculated. By a local kid they loved, defended and revered.
Years ago I thought I might actually root for Lebron after he left Cleveland, but now I'm realizing that I will also root against the Drama King.
wasn't exactly an angel
But he was a great winner
Looking back no, but at the time, my childhood self would have tripped over Jesus, Buddha, Moses, or whatever religious figure, to get to His Airness.
EDIT: FYI, I still would.
get him in trouble trhough, and he stayed with Chicago, left and came back. MJ liked to win, the other 3 just care about the celebrity status.
Funny how MJ "voluntarily" left the NBA for awhile and their investigation into his gambling disappeared, never to be mentioned again. Not that David Stern would EVER cut a backroom deal.....
Dad killed over gambling payments? You decide.
But seriously, he was a dick then too. Just a winning dick that had the media in his pocket as much as LeBron has ESPN in his tonight.
F 'em all:
4. Dan Gilbert
5. Pathetic Cleveland fans, especially.
I hope LeBron leaves, and never wins a ring. The ONLY reason I'd want LeBron to stay is so that Tom Izzo wouldn't be able to sleep for years.
I guess we'll know if he comes out tonight wearing this:
LeBron James has rented six cabanas at the W Hotel South Beach this weekend to celebrate his team decision, two sources confirm to UsMagazine.com.
That adds more fuel to the fire that James, 25, will announce he's joining the Miami Heat Thursday night, as several insiders told ESPN this morning.
If LeBron picks anyone other than the Cavaliers, it will be the cruelest television moment since David Chase ended "The Sopranos" by making everyone think they lost power.