OT: Bigger goat: Billy Cundiff or Kyle Williams?

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Missed 32 FG for Cundiff, or two muffs by PR Williams?

mac

January 23rd, 2012 at 9:00 AM ^

Cundiff comes running in with about 7 seconds left on the play clock.  Where was he?  It's not like he didn't know they were going to kick.  Was he anticipating the 'icing of the kicker' play?  Definitely the bigger goat.

JohnCorbin

January 23rd, 2012 at 10:08 AM ^

I am going to have to disagree.

Williams gave up 7 points off his first turnover, and then 3 points off his second turn over, ultimately losing them the game.  You take him out of the equation, 49ers won.

The Ravens team could have done something to score a touchdown, or score more points earlier, or hold off the pats.  But, you don't blame one person for one missed shot, it will happen, and it wouldn't have won them the game.  Sure, at the end of the game, the Ravens COULD have tied it up with a field goal, and then went on to POSSIBLY win in overtime, but Williams straight up lost the 49ers the game by allowing the giants to go to overtime in the first place, and then giving them the field position in OT to win.

MichiganExile

January 22nd, 2012 at 10:36 PM ^

Cundiff can share the blame with someone else. Evans should have hung onto that ball and given Baltimore a touchdown.

Williams gets all the blame for the 49ers loss.

bronxblue

January 22nd, 2012 at 10:36 PM ^

Williams by a mile.  Kickers sometimes miss FGs, but when you fumble two returns, especially in close games like this, you are not going to hear the end of it.

BRCE

January 22nd, 2012 at 10:37 PM ^

Cundiff. Williams is only in there because Ginn couldn't go today whereas Cundiff's only job is to not fuck up what his teammates earn on the field.

Mr. Robot

January 22nd, 2012 at 10:40 PM ^

I put the blame for the NE/BAL game on the guy who dropped the game-winning touchdowns. They are both goats, since that was a short field goal, but why leave it to your kicker to tie and got to OT when YOU CAUGHT THE BALL IN THE ENDZONE AND LET A GUY KNOCK IT OUT OF YOUR HANDS MICROSECONDS BEFORE IT WOULDN'T HAVE MATTERED ANYWAY.

All caps brought to you by a friend of mine whom I know will look very depressed when I next see him.

mhayes09

January 22nd, 2012 at 10:41 PM ^

TE had a chance to win on a nice throw from Flacco earlier. He may even be a bigger goat than cundiff. The second fumble helped lose the game in overtime...the first fumble put the game in overtime.

WolvinLA2

January 22nd, 2012 at 10:46 PM ^

Williams.  The first one was plain stupid - you either need to commit to getting the ball, or get out of the way.  He couldn't make up his mind, and that one mistake was bad enough.  But adding the fumble is OT is horrible, so it has to be him. 

If Cundiff makes that FG, I still think the Pats win.  If Williams doesn't fuck up that first punt, I think the 9ers would have run away with that game.  It was a major swing.

Harballer

January 22nd, 2012 at 10:51 PM ^

I hope the person that Kyle Williams loves most pushes him off the edge of cliff and as he's falling and wondering why this is happening Superman swoops him up and takes him and drops him from higher

Jskohl88

January 22nd, 2012 at 10:59 PM ^

I'm leaning Williams, but it's pretty close. Even if Cundiff hits the field goal, the game just goes to OT and who knows what happens then. Yes, he missed it so they lost, but they still might have lost. 

Williams 1) made two blunders (one of them inexplicable) and 2) because of where he muffed that second punt, pretty much guaranteed loss. Factor 2 is kind of balanced out by Cundiff since the missed kick did guarantee loss. So... they're both goats, and their names will forever be synonymous with failure in their two respective cities

ChuckWood

January 22nd, 2012 at 11:01 PM ^

Kyle Williams did the same thing when he was at ASU a few years ago.  2007 Holiday bowl against Texas.  I feel bad for the kid.  Gotta take care of that football.

BRCE

January 22nd, 2012 at 11:04 PM ^

FWIW, San Fran clearly got outplayed by the Giants today (both teams came up big on defense while NY made way more key plays on offense). They were lucky the score was as close as it was.

Baltimore played the Pats tooth-and-nail in what was probably the most evenly played game of this postseason. I obviously rooted for New England but I couldn't help but feel bad for the Ravens with how that went down.

 

BlueDragon

January 22nd, 2012 at 11:12 PM ^

Because it immediately killed the game. Muffing the punt didn't immediately sink the Niners. The damage done to one game was immediately fatal; in another game, one or perhaps even both muffs would not have destroyed the Niners' chances of winning the game given other continuations after the muffs.

Michigan4Life

January 22nd, 2012 at 11:13 PM ^

when the FG unit are clearly rushing to get the snap off for the FG, when John Harbaugh should've called a TO to regroup and calm down before lining up for a game tying FG? By not calling a TO, you are rushing the kicker to try to get his kick off before the game clock expired instead of having an composed kicker.

 

Kyle Williams shares a much bigger blame than Cundiff because he cost his team a win by making two stupid mistakes especially the first one where the ball hit his knee where he shouldn't have been near it to begin with.

JClay

January 22nd, 2012 at 11:33 PM ^

Two trumps one, just numerically alone. Additionally, if Cundiff makes that kick, no assurance Baltimore wins (game would go to OT). If Williams doesn't make those "fumbles," San Francisco almost certainly wins that game.

FrankMurphy

January 22nd, 2012 at 11:38 PM ^

Not necessarily. There were 10 minutes left in regulation when Williams made his first mistake. On the second mistake, he fielded that punt fairly deep in Niners territory. Alex Smith hadn't played particularly well, so there's no guarantee that they would have been able to capitalize.