Missed 32 FG for Cundiff, or two muffs by PR Williams?
OT: Bigger goat: Billy Cundiff or Kyle Williams?
Lewis already has a super bowl, and already was involved with a murder. So I do not feel too bad for him.
Let's be honest, there's no bigger goat, than Billy Goat Gruff
Cundiff comes running in with about 7 seconds left on the play clock. Where was he? It's not like he didn't know they were going to kick. Was he anticipating the 'icing of the kicker' play? Definitely the bigger goat.
Credit Belichek, too for not trying to ice the kicker -- perhaps recognizing that the Raven's unit was in disarray.
(p.s. -- no, I didn't mean for that to sound dirty)
I am going to have to disagree.
Williams gave up 7 points off his first turnover, and then 3 points off his second turn over, ultimately losing them the game. You take him out of the equation, 49ers won.
The Ravens team could have done something to score a touchdown, or score more points earlier, or hold off the pats. But, you don't blame one person for one missed shot, it will happen, and it wouldn't have won them the game. Sure, at the end of the game, the Ravens COULD have tied it up with a field goal, and then went on to POSSIBLY win in overtime, but Williams straight up lost the 49ers the game by allowing the giants to go to overtime in the first place, and then giving them the field position in OT to win.
And he did it twice!
I'm on board this line of thinking. Cundiff missed one FG - Williams messed up two punts.
Both are equally schadenfreude worthy. Don't think there's a way to measure one over the other
by Williams makes him the bad luck guy of the day.
I wouldn't want to be either one of those guys but Williams had two bad plays. He will be released tomorrow.
Fumbles are not supposed to happen, and twice, once in OT...bad.
Giants vs. Pats THE SEQUEL
Cundiff can share the blame with someone else. Evans should have hung onto that ball and given Baltimore a touchdown.
Williams gets all the blame for the 49ers loss.
The fact that Cundiff shouldered the entire blame during his press conference makes me respect him. He said "I get paid to make field goals, not miss them." He also said that he is trying to set an example for his two kids by owning up to his mistake. That takes a lot of balls to say on national tv.
Williams by a mile. Kickers sometimes miss FGs, but when you fumble two returns, especially in close games like this, you are not going to hear the end of it.
Williams did it twice and once looking like an absolute moron
After your defense comes up with yet another big stop, that was just terrible.
greatest .of .all .time
I put the blame for the NE/BAL game on the guy who dropped the game-winning touchdowns. They are both goats, since that was a short field goal, but why leave it to your kicker to tie and got to OT when YOU CAUGHT THE BALL IN THE ENDZONE AND LET A GUY KNOCK IT OUT OF YOUR HANDS MICROSECONDS BEFORE IT WOULDN'T HAVE MATTERED ANYWAY.
All caps brought to you by a friend of mine whom I know will look very depressed when I next see him.
TE had a chance to win on a nice throw from Flacco earlier. He may even be a bigger goat than cundiff. The second fumble helped lose the game in overtime...the first fumble put the game in overtime.
your only job is to kick field goals, and you miss a relatively easy one in a monumental game
two muffs is still pretty bad
Even if Cundiff hits the FG it still goes to OT, Williams first fumble cost the 49ers the game in regulation, the second one handed NY the win.
Williams. Because if they would have gone to triple OT, you just know he would have F'd up yet again.
If Evans would have secured the ball, Cundiff would not have been needed.
Williams. The first one was plain stupid - you either need to commit to getting the ball, or get out of the way. He couldn't make up his mind, and that one mistake was bad enough. But adding the fumble is OT is horrible, so it has to be him.
If Cundiff makes that FG, I still think the Pats win. If Williams doesn't fuck up that first punt, I think the 9ers would have run away with that game. It was a major swing.
I hope the person that Kyle Williams loves most pushes him off the edge of cliff and as he's falling and wondering why this is happening Superman swoops him up and takes him and drops him from higher
Cundiff is Finkle... Finkle is Cundiff!!!!
But the laces were out! I checked.
I'm leaning Williams, but it's pretty close. Even if Cundiff hits the field goal, the game just goes to OT and who knows what happens then. Yes, he missed it so they lost, but they still might have lost.
Williams 1) made two blunders (one of them inexplicable) and 2) because of where he muffed that second punt, pretty much guaranteed loss. Factor 2 is kind of balanced out by Cundiff since the missed kick did guarantee loss. So... they're both goats, and their names will forever be synonymous with failure in their two respective cities
williams! 2fumbles and a muff. 3 turnovers that turned to points.
Kyle Williams did the same thing when he was at ASU a few years ago. 2007 Holiday bowl against Texas. I feel bad for the kid. Gotta take care of that football.
actually the 9er's were the better team. the giants only got majority of their points off the stupid punt returner. 3 turn overs turned to points by 1 punt returner. if ted ginn played today and returned punts 9er's win.
I would say Williams. The muffed punts led to the Giants final 6 points. I would say Lee Evans is the bigger goat than Cundiff.
You would say, or you do say?
Because it immediately killed the game. Muffing the punt didn't immediately sink the Niners. The damage done to one game was immediately fatal; in another game, one or perhaps even both muffs would not have destroyed the Niners' chances of winning the game given other continuations after the muffs.
when the FG unit are clearly rushing to get the snap off for the FG, when John Harbaugh should've called a TO to regroup and calm down before lining up for a game tying FG? By not calling a TO, you are rushing the kicker to try to get his kick off before the game clock expired instead of having an composed kicker.
Kyle Williams shares a much bigger blame than Cundiff because he cost his team a win by making two stupid mistakes especially the first one where the ball hit his knee where he shouldn't have been near it to begin with.
Not only that, but after the ball hit him, he just froze instead of trying to recover it. I really don't understand what he was thinking on that play.
He was thinking that if he went after it, it would look like he touched it. If he lets it go like you normally would, it looks like nothing happened.
He did fool the ref. Unfortunately, he did not fool the replay.
It was a painful reminder of our kick return game prior to 2011: 'Hang on to the damn ball!'
All of us can relate to that.
Williams. He committed two boneheaded mistakes late in the game that led to Giants scores.
Cundiff didn't make a mistake, he's just a bad kicker.
Actually he's a Pro Bowl kicker. Even the best screw up.
Two trumps one, just numerically alone. Additionally, if Cundiff makes that kick, no assurance Baltimore wins (game would go to OT). If Williams doesn't make those "fumbles," San Francisco almost certainly wins that game.
Not necessarily. There were 10 minutes left in regulation when Williams made his first mistake. On the second mistake, he fielded that punt fairly deep in Niners territory. Alex Smith hadn't played particularly well, so there's no guarantee that they would have been able to capitalize.
I feel pretty confidant, as someone who watched the game without a rooting interest, that had the Giants not got the 7 points off the muffed punt that they were not scoring the way the 49ers defense played the rest of the 2nd half+OT.
But you're entitled to your own opinion, and you're right, no one can know for a certainty.
Guess that dude forgot all the ball security drills he's done in the last 10 years of his life. It was awesome when he was trying to find a spot on the bench after his fumble, no one even looked at him! 100% job security with Southwest Airlines and their "Wanna get away?" commercials.
even if they weren't the very final play of the game. To lose/kick/muff the ball twice on "special" teams is just awful.
So, do the Harbaugh bros get a 3rd place consolation game in their dad's backyard?
He gave back momentum, twice. He totally blew it for his team. Kickers miss, FGs are never a sure thing.
the ball! Then yes, he gave, "momentum" back to them.
Watch out for that big Pine tree.
For all the reasons mentioned above.
Ted Ginn Jr. He apparently turns into a China doll whenever the word "championship" is tagged to a game, and his team has suffered greatly due to his absence on both occasions.
Lee Evans dropped a gimme on a tremendous ball.
I bet Williams and Cundiff will be sharing a good stiff drink. Misery does not just love company, it loves miserable company.
Chicago White Sox GM's Son Kyle Williams. Fumbled the ball not once but twice. Both times led to Giants scores.
The first time led to a Giants TD. And the Niners were playing pretty well defensively up to that point. The second time was absolutely inexcusable. It cost the Niners the game.
Ozzie Guillen obviously put an awesome curse on that family on his way to Miami.
I put the blame on Cundiff and it isn't for the one missed field goal. The RAvens has a chance to kick a 51 yard field goal but wasn't condifeent in his leg to do so. Kickers should be able to make field goals of that length. That kick could have tied it. Plus he allowed NE to return all of his kickoffs because he doesnt have the leg to put it out of the endzone. The returns could fall on the return team as well though.
My prediction is he will not be around next year and neither should Cam Cameron. Terrible play caller. Not as much yesterday but over the year he has been very shaky.
They seemed to win a lot of games with that play calling, and that play calling was designed to run clock and help that defense. As long as Harbaugh is your coach, you have to figure that is the kind of offense he wants as this team's identity is to run the ball and play great defense.
The answer is....and always is Mark Dantonio. Wait, what? You said goat, I thought you said jackass. My bad.
He had 2 fumbles and the muffed punt that he should have stayed away or picked the ball up off the bounce. But either way he cost his team 10 points and could have been worse had his team mates not recovered the other fumble!
He was carrying the ball loose all game long letting it get away from his body, really suprised harbaugh didn't eat him alive on the sidelines for that one.
I would not be surprised if the Ravens cut Cundiff today.
Billy cundiff kickers in general shouldn't miss 31 yard field goals and arington is a back up emergency return man