ONLY 600,000??? That is a TON of money!
i refuse to even consider this a possibility
ONLY 600,000??? That is a TON of money!
You could make that into change and swim through it in your money vault!
^^ ol Bret after signing
I had this picture in puzzle form
in his pocket. Fayetteville road trip is on!
It's been 2 hours and nobody's photoshopped Bielema's head on this yet. MGoBlog, I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed.
Would do it myself but I'm working.
I am going to pretend I didn't see only in the title.
I wish I could get only a $600,000 raise...
I can earn $600,000 cummulatively in the my entire life.
Bielema left for money, but he left because Wisconsin tripped into the Rose Bowl this year but is a program on the decline running out of QBs to poach, and because Michigan and Ohio are going to be kicking ass and taking names for the next 10 years in the Big Ten. If you are going to lose two to four games per year you might as well do it for $600,000 more.
So you think Bama, LSU, and Tamu are going away. Not only that but Biels will face them every year.
$600k over a lifetime would be near or below the poverty level.
assuming a forty year work life. Since few people making that money over their lifetime can afford to retire at 62, you're probably talking about sixty years of working, or ten thousand dollars per year.
Michigan grads can't be poor? /s
And no, Bama, LSU, etc., are not going anywhere, but two losses in the Big Ten and you are unranked, two losses in the SEC puts you close to or into the playoff discussion.
Btw, Tennessee seems to be having trouble getting the coach they want. I've heard reports that they've offered 5 or even 5.5 million per year to the Okie State coach.
Last name I heard was Mike Gundy, but it seems like he is going to stay at Ok St.
Got a program going in a football mad state, Close to Texas recruiting grounds, and T. Boone Pickens backing him. All with a fan base that is mostly happy for the success vs. the craziness of Tennessee fans. I'd stay at Ok. St., too.
Mike Gundy won't go for anything under $40 million.
Must have been the better public schools in Fayetteville.
$600,000 is probably the difference in what the Athletic Departments are paying. I suspect football is more of a religion in Arkansas, which means that the TV and endorsement money is significantly more. Of course, Bielema's decision might also be related to the fact that he sees Michigan recruiting like crazy and Nebraska in the rear view mirror and is cognizant of the fact that the Badger run of success is about to end and it's time to get out while the getting is good.
Or it could be that he knows his assistants will get paid better at arkansas and understands that good coordinators are important. Or it could be that recruiting is easier at arkansas than at wisconsin so he feels the ceiling is higher. Or maybe he is just tired of the cold. Who cares? There are any number of reasons this decision got made and the people trying to pit this as an sec vs big ten thing are creating a story that isn't there. Arkansas is at worst on the same level as wisconsin as a desirable job and with that maybe personal things is what drove him to arkansas, we don't know but it also doesn't really matter.
Those are good points.
At least one person on the radio here in Minnesota asserts, plausibly, that Bielema wants to coach in the NFL someday; if that is the case I completely understand this move. As long as he's at Wisconsin no NFL team will give him a second glance, chalking up his success to 20th century strategy, a second-rate conference, and the good fortune of dropping into a nice situation. After all, nobody in the B1G really quakes in their shoes about facing Bielema as a coach.
Further, if he moved laterally to another "Midwestern" program, the same stigma would follow. On the other hand, if he goes to Arkansas and wins, he suddenly looks a whole lot more impressive. And the League might come calling.
If he wants to coach in the NFL, he made the right choice.
Greg Schiano says "hi".
Then I woke myself up with a fart.
Reading this in Hank's voice makes this even funnier
Not sure if sarcasm on the "only $600,000".
than even many of the tenured people who actually TEACH the kids in our universities make?
and literally hundreds of professorships at a university do you not?. Apples to oranges, sir. Also the average professor at a Big Ten university makes 6 figures. They aren't exactly hurting for money.
out the OP's lack of proportion in suggesting 6 supersized is not much.
23% raise ain't bad.
Yea, they only gave him a 23% raise.
I'd rather have a $600,000 raise than a 23% raise! "Well boss I appeciate the offer but my number was more in the neighborhood of the mid 6 digits for my 2013 cost of living adjustment."
Judging by the surprise that Barry Alvarez professed, Bielema did not start this discussion in hopes of a counter offer. Unless that is information that hasn't come out yet.
From what I've heard, the big part of the deal is that Arkansas has agreed to pay his assistants a significantly larger salary than what Wisconsin has agreed to do. Sounds eerily similar to the change that Michigan went through to get Hoke and Mattison . . .
Hoke would have paid the assistants out of his own pocket.
No offense to Hoke's financial situation, but I doubt he could have afforded Mattison. That said, Mattison probably would have taken a paycut.
That is an NCAA violation. Richt did this recently at Georgia.
...but you can have the contracts set up so the HC takes less and the staff gets more.
How about he only got a 23% raise! The SEC cheapskates!!
That is 3.6 million more dollars. That's a lot of cash.
Compare that to Darrell Hazell, of course (story), whose base compensation will now apparently go from $300,000 annually to $2 million. It is an order of magnitude, at least, if it is a jump from the MAC to the B1G. I wouldn't mind making about six times what I do now either. So, we know now that it wasn't necessarily a security thing or perhaps not primarily about the money either.
The more I think about it, the more I wonder if Bielema thought that this is as good as Wisconsin would get in the context of the Big Ten and that he is trying to leave before he literally hits the performance wall for the program and things became stale, or even went into slow decline with Michigan and Ohio State being a factor. We may never know unless Bret himself speaks about it.
Another plausible theory. For a good example of this, look at Kirk Ferentz: Good coach, hit the realistic ceiling at Iowa, got a couple looks from the NFL...
And he's a bad season or two from getting fired. And he probably doesn't have the cash to improve his assistant staff much, so he's stuck with the situation he has.
OK - for everyone saying "only 600k???" Can we please just acknowledge that what is a lot of money to someone might not be to someome else? Yeah, football coaches make a lot of money, this is not news.
How often do you get a 23% raise?
Stop with the disingenuous comparisons between what we make and what Bielema makes
no shit a 23% raise would be a big deal for everyone here, that doesn't mean it is for someone making two and a half million dollars a year. And you know that.
How on earth do you or I "know that"?
At the beginning of 2011 Bielema's total compensation was about 1.78 million. He received a raise worth approximately 38% of his salary (link).
In 2009 his compensation package was worth approximately 1.2 million (link), meaning that between 2009 and 2011 he received a raise of approximately 50%.
So it doesn't seem that the raise he received going to Arkansas is out of range with with what he could have gotten at the UW-Madison.
Bielema's raise doesn't get the corresponding bump in quality of life that 23% gets for almost everyone here. He can already buy almost anything he wants, and the stuff he can't buy likely isn't in reach with this new job, either.
I'm getting a -100% raise on Jan 1st so top that.
On the other hand I haven't had a real vacation in 2 years so where should I go?
That's too easy
Bora Bora & Moorea
Bum around Europe
then up to Australia - spend time and some money in Sydney, then go up to the barrier reef.
But the comments weren't discussing it at a percentage, they were just saying "no way, 600k is a lot of money to me" as if that makes a difference. My point is, it's all a matter of perspective, and a lot of people are missing that. One guy said he'd be thrilled to take a new job for a 5k raise, and others on this board would need more than that to justify moving their shit to a new building.
The difference between $2.5 and $3 million is essentially negligible. The fact that a) Bielema accepted it and b) Alvarez chose not to match it says a great deal.
I know you all wanted to score the quick points with the "herpa derpa ONLY 600K" comments, but go back and look at how we were acting yesterday. We all expected he was getting a gigantic pay raise.
The difference between $2.5 and $3 million is essentially negligible.
in terms of what Wisconsin would be expected to match, no, there is no tangible difference between the two numbers
and if you really believe that extra $600k is going to appreciably change his financial situation, you're being obtuse. There is a point where more money, even that much more, stops having a noticeable effect on your life. Twice the money? Hell yes. 23%? Eh.
my sides hurt
or you may get thrown off the prison roof.
Did you never learn about the value of a dollar? You really don't think that there's a difference in the standard of living for someone with $12 million dollars over 5 years vs $15 million? Sure, it doesn't sound like much in comparison, but if you've worked at any paying job you know what a difference 20% makes. 20% is 20%, no matter what your salary is.
And if you don't think his standard of living will change, let's go through the things he can do with his additional $3 million. Actually, let's even cut out 33% due to taxes. So what he can do with his additional $2 million (assuming that is the only extra money he gets):
I actually get what you are saying, but I think that you are way off.
I don't know many income levels where a 23% raise is not significant to consider taking another job. If you make around $40k, the 23% is approximately $10k. To someone making $40,000, that $10,000 is huge.
To someone making $100k, it's another $23k - again, most would take the job.
At $500k, 23% comes out to almost another $100k - who is going to turn this down?
And, yes, at Bielema's salary, 23% comes out to another 600k - who would turn that down? If he were a die hard Wisco guy who played under Alvarez, I could see it. But he is not - Wisco is just another job to him, so why not make over half a million more per year - every year - to coach at an equally good football school?
After taxes, that additional $600K may be less than $300K (depending on the state).
This year, Mrs. Gopoohgo switched jobs and got approximately a 60% pay raise, raising our overall pretax household income by 25%-ish percent. Overall, however, it hasn't changed our standard of living one bit. If anything, we've been scrimping a little going out to eat (we bought a new house, so are rebuilding cash reserves)
Why hasn't our standard of living changed, even with a 25% increase in our pretax income? Because we're happy with what we have. We like our house, we have relatively new cars and don't want exotic Italian cars, neither of us buy a lot of clothes, and we'll splurge on trips, but hell we really don't have the vacation to take blow-out 3 week vacations. We just save the increased $, donate a bit more to charity.
If you're happy with where you're at, a 25% increase really doesn't change your standard of living, but the increased $ does mean more in a sense that you're more appreciated at work. Bielema doesn't really strike me as a guy who's going to pimp-out in custom suits, drive a Ferrari, and wear $100K bling. He probably can't spend as much as he makes, especially in Arkansas. But that increased salary does make him feel more appreciated...
It changes someone's standard of living somewhere down the road, though, whether it be you post-retirement or your kids in the future.
I'm sure Bielema has some form of a money manager, and I'm sure he's well-aware that $600,000 is a fairly significant annual bump.
I would guess that Arkansas has a lower cost of living than Wisconsin (the South in general is a cheaper place to live than the Midwest), and it may have lower taxes. So that extra $600K could be like getting an extra million up here.
Having said that, I'm guessing that his compensation was not the main issue here.
"The fact that...Alvarez chose not to match it says a great deal."
Yes, it does. It says that it's a lot of money and Wisconsin isn't willing to spend that much.
Alvarez was sincerely surprised that Bielama left - so I don't think he even had an opportunity to negotiate with Bielama before he left. It's not like Wisconsin didn't have the cash to match Arkansas' offer.
So, OP, did you order the risk taker or the game changer?
Like Harbaugh at Stanford, he is getting the best office bathroom you've ever seen in your life.
To be fair, the article doesn't mention anything about assistant salaries. This is becoming an increasingly pressing issue for head coaches as the demand for top shelf coordinators rises. The Big Ten may not be too far from parity with the SEC in terms of head coaches' salaries, but the gap in assistant salaries is much bigger (though this might be changing, as shown by Mattison's impressive salary).
As someone here noted yesterday, he may feel like he lost Chryst et al. b/c Wisconsin wouldn't pay them enough.
I think it's not so much Chryst but the assistants that left with him. Wisconsin bumped Chryst's salary after he got offered the Texas OC position, not to what Texas was offering, but significantly. Chryst left because got a major college head coaching offer. Hard to compete with that. But you have to imagine Bielma might have been annoyed at losing the offensive line coach if UW didn't match his offer.
Look, put this all aside.
Let's wait until we see what his assistant coaches get paid. Then we can decide whether "it's all about money".
Part of the story that was circulating last night was that Bielma accepted a higher salary so that he would be able to pay more to the remainder of the coaching staff.
Wisconsin athletics do not generate anything near what Michigah, Ohio and PSU bring in due to vastly larger stadiums and higher ticket costs.
i really wonder what the true story is.....even Alvarez seemed surprised.
The real story is that the Clinton's finally unloaded their Whitewater investment and Bielema needed a way to pay for it.
Wisconsin athletics do not generate anything near what Michigah, Ohio and PSU bring in due to vastly larger stadiums and higher ticket costs.
Are you sure? Camp Randall Stadium holds 80,000 and is always sold out, and the Kohl Center is an NBA-sized arena and, I believe, always sells out as well for basketball (and probably draws larger crowds for hockey than we do at Yost, because of our limited capacity). They probably make quite a bit of money.
Of what Brandon makes on his bonuses alone!
Think of how much stuff he could buy at Walmart! I wonder if he gets a discount.
I don't know why Bielima left, but it seems like the majority of great coaches come from the midwest, particularly Ohio, and many of them attended B1G schools or ones that are in the area. The SEC has boasted Saban, Miles, and Meyer who collectively have 6 national championships since 2003, all from a midwestern football pedigree and with ties back to the Big 10 and their way of playing football....growing up around the great football culture created by Woody Hayes and Bo Schembecler. People seem to forget that what we call MANBALL with great defense and a pounding running game is simply the SEC brand of football, when in truth it was the Big 10's brand.
I actually read on a GameCocks board some dummy posted the reason that Biliema would do well in the SEC is because he was one of the few coaches in the Big10 that coached "SEC style football"....my face immediately went to my palm.
I don't know whether it is money, weather, or whatever, but the SEC is def. taking some of our great manball type coaches from programs that are not OSU and Michigan and claiming that low scoring defensive battles is their brand, even though not 10 years ago the Big10 got bashed for such style of play.
My guess though is that he left because the South is more talent rich and there are more leftovers after Alabama, LSU, Georgia, and Florida sweep through the South. UM, OSU, and Penn State seem to gobble up the majority of the Northern talent.
I think Wisconsin is on the decline, mostly because of losing their guy to Pitt. This year shoed you actually have to recruit a Qb and develop him instead of just grabbing a transfer.
IMHO, this is no different tha the Ohio coach leaving Fla, but he didn't pretend to be sick or have family issues. The payday was there and at his present position his value was diminishing.
They seemed to do alright in the conference championship game for a program on the decline.
10 years? I tend to think in term of like, forever. Relatively speaking.
3rd Place deserves a participation trophy. They finished behind a team penalized scholarships and ineligible and another team who lost ~10 starters when the door was opened to leave.
Yes, they beat Nebraska. The same Nebraska that has a history of choking in big games under a coach unfortunately named Bo.
*Guy working unpaid for start-up going to interview for $11.00/hour tomorrow is not happy*
*That guy is < <<this guy.*
We've all been there.
I heard UW athletic dept had nearly $40million in PROFIT last year, and we all know that majority of the profit is through football. $600k difference (plus let's say extra $1M for assistants) isn't much when this context is taken into account.
My guess is that, in BA's mind, BB was replaceable. I agree.
His raise alone is over 17 times the salary I will make this year. How can you say "only" a $600,000 a year raise. In 5 years that is an extra $3 Million. You must be crazy!!!
600k may be a lot in absolute terms, but... No, yeah, it's also a lot in relative terms too. Besides, it wasn't as if Bielema was getting a jump from some initial starter salary at Wisky. He's been the coach there for a long time, so to get this big of a raise is a significant thing.
A friend of mine who worked for a very famous person whom I shall not mention was once driving through Beverly Hills with said person's wife, and a friend of the wife remarked, "You know, a million dollars really isn't a lot of money."
Football facilities and committment to winning at arkansas >>>>> the same at wisconsin
Proximity to stud recruits at arkansas >>>> the same at wisconsin
Wisconsin fans are spoiled. 3 straight Rose Bowls and they tell him "Good Riddance". 10-2 average record and "Good Riddance". Ask Tennessee what happens when you dump a good coach. Happens to the best of programs. ND hired 4 straight dogs and set the program back 20 years.
1. When considering salary, its not just what you make this year, or throughout the life of the contract, but also where you start in negotiations for your next contract, so it can have a compounding effect throughout the rest of his career (assuming that he is successful).
2. Money is not solely about standard of living issues, particularly at the upper income levels. its also about how much you make and how that affects your standing (both in your own mind and in the minds of others) relative to your perceived peers - in this case call it major conference head coaches. That's a personal value that may or may not matter to him, but it often is a large psychological factor.
According to a random internet site, Fayetteville AK has a 93 COL (compared to 100 avg US) and Madison is 112.
Also, taxes (both income and property) tend to be lower in southern states and localities.
Whoops, didn't see your post before I put in my own. I think you are right and there is a huge cost of living difference between the two places.
1. Fayetteville is not the Deep South
2. Corporation relos, population shift and econo changes have morphed the South in the last 20 years
He will enjoy much lower taxes than WI ...
Keep in mind the cost of living... an extra $600K in Arkansas is like having an extra $1.2M anywhere else. Think about it -- a nice meal there is going to the Shoney's and you don't even need to buy shirts or shoes if you live there!
No coach is going to move anywhere voluntarily for the same dough, so a raise of this nature is the minimum I would have expected. The more relevant issue is whether Bielema is going to have a dramatically larger budget for assistants.
I still think this move reflects a basic desire to not have Alvarez as his boss any longer. Considering what seems to be common knowledge about Barry's personality, perhaps it's not surprising.
a $600k raise in these circumtances, while nice, makes it seem like money was not the primary motivation in him switching jobs and that other factors are driving this.
...would've taken it for the same salary.
Bielema's thinking that the only thing stopping him from being Saban is having ready access to a different level of talent with resources at a school that has forgotten about even putting up a pretense of caring about academics.
Bielema's style is based on My Guy Will Be Better Than Yours...so when that isn't the case, there's not way around it. So he's going for the 'Bama/LSU level player to try and man up his style.
Not sure the cash matters all that much here.
If it's about assistant money then Wisconsin just learned the same lesson Michigan did when Bill Martin wouldn't make a decent offer to Casteel - you get what you pay for.
So, Bielema left the school that gave him his "big break" for about 60% of what Arkansas was offering Les MIles. I definitely think there was something happening behind the scenes there that Bielema didn't like.
Then again, after the shit I've seem coaches take the last five years or so, and some of the stupid firings, I have definitely decided that no coach owes any school anything anymore. A great example is FIU coach Mario Cristobal, who was a perfect fit for the community there and who turned down a couple of good offers, getting fired for one bad season.
I'll bet he wishes he had bolted now.
I thought, for a moment, that they were all going to dance Gangnam style together.
Is the hot chick BB's wife? The one he met on a blackjack table?
I think pretty plainly that money is not the driving factor here, because I seriously doubt UW wouldn't have raised him $600K or more to keep him in Madison. I think he's just cruising for Petrino's sloppy seconds; the extra $600,000 is just for Harleys to put them on.
Yeah he got a 600K raise but what about the people on his staff? The SEC is known for paying the staff equally well so that they can get better assistant coaches. If you watched the press conference, he commented on how when he was at Wisconsin he took a pay cut so that he could pay his coaches more money since Wisconsin wasn't forking up the cash to get the guys he wanted. With the 600K bonus, I'm sure Arkansas will be forking over more cash to his assistances as well so that he doesn't have to take a pay cut.
Is that Bielema had been sending Arkansas letters in September. September!! I mean the season barely started and he wasn't concerned with his current team at that time
Right, he wasn't concerned with his current team. He pretty much threw away the whole season... oh wait. Rose Bowl.
I'd hazard Meyer has a lot to do with Bielema's decision. Bielema reacted least favorably toward his arrival to the BiG of any coach. And perhaps staring into the future after a 5 loss season where this year's championship was only due to OSU's ban, things looked bleak.
What pisses me off is this will just make Ohio State's path that much easier given the only two viable teams PSU and UW in their division are going to be horrible, while UM has to slug it out with MSU, Neb, Iowa and NW.
There's no way the money was the deciding factor. No way Wisconsin wouldn't have come up with another 0.6 M to match. The money from endorsements and other considerations may be better in Arkansas, but I also strongly doubt that the side money is enough to be the deciding factor.
Maybe he thinks the new job is a better launching pad to the NFL. Maybe he thinks he can't do it without Paul Chryst and either needs more assistant money (still not a slam dunk that Arkansas is an order of magnitude beyond Wisconsin there, but certainly it's conceivable) or thinks starting from scratch will be easier than dealing with Chryst's baggage.
Maybe he had some personal stuff going on. Maybe he's always hated Alvarez. Maybe he doesn't like road-grader grind it out football.
I don't think it's intimidation by Meyer or feeling hopeless agaginst M and OSU. Arkansas is not a job you take if you're uncomfortable with being a contender saddled with high expectations while still not the traditional powerhouse in a conference.
Maybe there were some boosters behind the scenes who are giving Bielema far more money, real estate, etc. than what we're seeing in the official contracts.
Hard to say. My best guess is it's a little bit of personal stuff and a lot of him just feeling that Arkansas is a better football school with a chance to put a better football product on the field.
As for the idea that $600k is a lot of money, to some people it is, and to some people it's really, really not. I have to think Bielema's in the really, really not category and at a point in life where the $0.6M/year is way, way down on his list of influences.
I get a massively RichRod vibe with this hire.