In reply to by Frito Bandito

ChasingRabbits

July 30th, 2013 at 3:37 PM ^

I would never argue with Frito anyway, but in this case I agree with him 100%. 

 

A couple local (to me) individual beer choices:

Atwater VooDoo Vader and Vanilla Java Porter (that's for the ladies) 

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ND Sux

July 30th, 2013 at 3:48 PM ^

indeed. 

I've been to 106 (of 125+) breweries in Michigan, not counting the ones that have closed (cool starry bra).  I haven't actually tried to write out a list, but Founders is #1 to me. 

We are SO lucky to live in this great beer state.  Perrin is moving up the charts very quickly and is near the top.  Wolverine is damn good too, right in AA (Stadium).  Greenbush, Kuhnhenn (sp), Pike 51, Bell's, Rochester Mills, and on and on. 

Best growler price I've seen is $4.50 on Tuesdays (today!) at CJs in Commerce.  Need not be a mug club member, and Vat 33 IPA is very tasty. 

rob f

July 30th, 2013 at 5:58 PM ^

You can't beat Founders when it comes to Michigan Brewers, but thats not to say that nobody's trying.  I'd estimate that I've been to about 3 dozen or so Michigan Brewpubs (the majority of them in one of these 3 areas:  SW Michigan, Greater Grand Rapids area, and Ann Arbor area, and my favorites (other than Founders and The Livery) are Darkhorse (Marshall) and Greenbush (Sawyer).  Arbor Brewing in Ann Arbor and Perrins in GR are a couple that I've only visited once apiece but have really impressed me, too. 

Of those I listed above, neither Perrins nor The Livery bottle their stuff yet; Perrins plans to soon from what I've read, but The Livery seems to be content to stay small---last time I was in there a couple months ago, they still had no plans to start bottling.  I never leave The Livery without a growler or two, though.

ND Sux

July 31st, 2013 at 7:38 AM ^

Livery and Dark Horse of course!  Can't even list all the ones we like.  Cranker's near the Ferris State Campus in Big Rapids is also on our favorites list. 

Talking about Perrin...the original plan was for CANS, not bottles.  Not just cans though, but cans with the old style top that you have to PUNCH open.  I'm sure some of you are old enough to remember the punched-out triangles in the top of your pop can...one to sip out of and the other to vent. 

According to one of the bartenders, they still plan on this, but maybe other options too.   

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Red_Lee

July 30th, 2013 at 4:15 PM ^

I can get these at the liquor store, out of a bottle, and Bell's, Founder's, etc all taste pretty good.

 

But getting a growler or a pint from some top notch Marquette breweries (Ore Dock or Black Rocks) taste far better IMO, if not just because of the freshness.

 

Black Rocks will begin bottling soon so watch out for their beers to hit the market. Ore Dock (my favorite) is planning on bottling next year. Look out for the yooper breweries!

Space Coyote

July 30th, 2013 at 3:38 PM ^

I don't get the Sierra Nevada hype, and for someone that really likes Amber beer, Fat Tire is very overrated. I've had Rogue (don't really remember it) and enjoyed Devil's Backbone a bit. I just bought a Victory variety pack last night, looking forward to trying it.

joeyb

July 30th, 2013 at 4:41 PM ^

I've heard that Sierra Nevada on tap is much different than in the bottle. I'd assume that makes a big difference.

Fat Tire is overrated, but I'm fine with that, because the reason that it is overrated is that so many non-beer snobs enjoy it. It's like Oberon in that respect. Anything that gets people away from macrobrews and shandies is OK in my book.

Rabbit21

July 30th, 2013 at 6:32 PM ^

I was going to declare your statement about Fat Tire being very over-rated as being completely FALSE!, but upon further reflection I would agree it's a little over-rated and therefore your statement is what I find to be a mere exagerration.  Then again, I started with Fat Tire when I went to college in Colorado and will probably never judge it objectively.

UMfan21

July 30th, 2013 at 7:34 PM ^

I love Rogue (was at their Newport location 2 weeks ago) and I've toured Stone Brewery. Both are great. But there are just so many great brews in the northwest. I'm befuddled that Rogue was the only representative.

For what it's worth, my personal favorites:
Full Sail
Deschuttes
Rogue
Bridgeport


Widmer Heffe is good summer drinking but I haven't tried any of their others

Musket Rebellion

July 30th, 2013 at 9:03 PM ^

Widmer is partially owned by Anheuser-Busch, I believe, thus eliminating them from contention. I would rank Bridgeport and Deschutes above them anyway. For my dollar I would go with Double Mountain and Walking Man before any of the NW heavyweights. But that's just one man's opinion.

Commie_High96

July 30th, 2013 at 3:41 PM ^

Hard to argue with Dogfish at number 1.  their 120 and 90 minute IPAs are hard to beat.  Love founders, but they and Bells could flip spots.  Also, no Saranac on that list?

1464

July 30th, 2013 at 3:46 PM ^

I'm not a huge Saranac fan.  Dogfish has some good beers, but I would put Bell's higher simply for Oberon and THA.  The list is not loading for me, but I hope Lagunitas is on there.  They are very good too, Brown Shugga, Lil Sumptin, Censored, their IPA, and they had a seasonal Vanilla Porter.  My favorite brewery by far.

Mr. Rager

July 30th, 2013 at 4:14 PM ^

Respectfully disagree.  Everyone has different tastes.

I think for a liquor / wine drinker, Dogfish makes some EXCELLENT beers.  

If you're transitioning from Bud Light / Budweiser to craft beers, I agree that Dogfish's lineup might not be for you.  

MGoBrewMom

July 30th, 2013 at 4:36 PM ^

I know you must not have been referring to me. Bud Light? Child Please. It is a matter of taste, and you're right. Dogfish would appeal to a liquor drinker. How does it compare, in your opinion to the West Coast IPAs? I just prefer beer, not whiskey...and there are some super strong Imperial IPAs that are far better than Dogfish...again, only IMHO.

gbdub

July 30th, 2013 at 4:18 PM ^

At their brewpubs on the east coast, they serve black and tans made with 90 minute IPA and chicory stout. Those will change your mind.

While they are often known for their "gimmicky" stuff, I wouldn't say they're significantly overrated. Their standard offerings (like 60 and 90 minute) are legitimately excellent, and even their gimmicky stuff is usually good to very good. And I'm glad somebody out thre is wacky enough to try some of the things that they do - to me experimentation is the greatest thing about the rise of so many craft breweries.

bsand2053

July 30th, 2013 at 4:06 PM ^

You've never had KBS? 

You need to fix that.  

Ask your beer store if they have a presale and get on the list.  Thats the best way to get some.  It gets pretty crazy in West Michigan on KBS release day.  

rob f

July 30th, 2013 at 9:42 PM ^

has left me in a quandary:  to drink, or not to drink? 

I have two bottles left in my beer cellar out of a 4-pack I acquired on 2012 KBS Day. I haven't had one to drink since last December and plan to consume these last 2 sometime between now and the end of the coming CFB season. So many upcoming big Michigan football games, and so few KBS Stouts to enjoy in celebration...

MGJS SuperKick Party

July 30th, 2013 at 5:11 PM ^

Have fun fighting the masses. It sells out within minutes unless you're on a preorder list. I luckily called a place and they said they were getting some in the next day, and I got the first two bottles out of the pack, by the time I left it was gone.

P-Funk

July 30th, 2013 at 3:42 PM ^

Dogfish #1?  Meh.  They do some interesting stuff, but I find a lot of their beers to be not very drinkable. 

My take:

Breweries rated too high - Dogfish Head, New Belgium

Breweries rated too low - Founders, Avery, Three Floyds

quigley.blue

July 30th, 2013 at 3:42 PM ^

New Belgium rides the hype train with very little standout product to show for it, a lot like Sierra Nevada.

I truly just don't like Sam Calagione's persona, which to me means this list is crap.

gbdub

July 30th, 2013 at 3:58 PM ^

Agree in part - New Belgium makes solid, not great beers. I've never had one of their beers and not liked it, but I've also never been blown away. I'll have a 1554 any day, but my mindset picking up a six pack is "here's something I know I / my guests will like", not "this sounds awesome!".

In any case, ranking them above Lagunitas is a travesty.

Deschutes really needs to be on this list - Black Butte Porter is fantastic, and they make some excellent special beers in bombers.

Jolly Pumpkin ought to be here too. They're a bit of a niche, but damn do they own that niche.

I'd also consider Great Divide, North Coast, and Russian River ahead of some of the breweries on this list.

Note that I've seen all of these in multiple states, so the distribution argument is valid but overblown.

Rabbit21

July 30th, 2013 at 6:39 PM ^

Fat Tire is a good standard flagship and definitely fills the roll of guests will like it, but IMO 1554 and Trippel are in the WOW category  The rest of the beers they do are good, but I would rather go with the Bell's version in nearly every case.  Oberon > Rolle Bolle especially. 

gbdub

July 30th, 2013 at 6:56 PM ^

The trippel is probably one of the better "grocery store" beer in that style, so I'll give it that.

And I like 1554, but I'd rather have a Deschutes Black Butte Porter, or a Bell's porter or Best Brown when I'm in the "quaffable dark beer" mode.

oriental andrew

July 30th, 2013 at 3:45 PM ^

Haven't had a lot of those.  Have had (that I can recall):

Anchor, Great Lakes, New Glarus, Boston (Sam Adams), Victory, Rogue, Sierra Nevada, Bell's, New Belgium, and Dogfish.  

New Belgium is probably my favorite brewer on the list that's easily available.  You can never go wrong with the 1554 black ale or the Abbey-style ale.  

Rogue is my favorite overall.