OT: Babcock to Maple Leafs

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I was hearing all day yesterday that Babcock would be taking the Sabres job.  I was shocked to see that he accepted the Toronto job instead.

The Toronto Maple Leafs have won the sweepstakes for the offseason's biggest coaching prize, reaching terms with Mike Babcock on Wednesday, a source confirmed to ESPN.com's Pierre LeBrun.

I don't see financial terms of the deal, but the Buffalo deal was rumored at $5 million/year.

How do you feel about Babcock departing?  Do you think the Wings should have made a better offer than the reported $3.5 million/year to keep him?  Or is it time for new blood?  Is it time for me to stop asking questions in this thread?  I'm Ron Burgundy?

 

softshoes

May 20th, 2015 at 2:46 PM ^

At least he's coaching where it won't hurt us. I think you'll learn to regret this decision but then again you have $50MM reasons why you won't.

Yostbound and Down

May 20th, 2015 at 2:49 PM ^

I love Babcock and wish him well (except when he's playing the Wings) for as long as he stays in Toronto. If he can't lead them to a cup, they may want to disband the team.

Happy with Blashill.

For 50 mil over 8 years you have to be a fool to not take the money.

justingoblue

May 20th, 2015 at 3:11 PM ^

I really can't imagine him wanting to move into coaching, even for the Wings and especially just to go to the Griffins. He's an excellent GM that's in a good situation down here and with Team Canada.

Taking Holland's seat when the time comes is my biggest hope, though (along with probably 90% of Wing's fans, not saying that's unique in any way).

nerv

May 20th, 2015 at 2:57 PM ^

You rarely see coaches at the top of their profession undertaking a massive rebuilding project. Im interested to see if he ends up with any part of personnel duty for the Leaves. I know he said he had zero interest in it... but I didnt really believe him.

Time to bring up Blashill. The guy can seriously develop some talent. Hell, half of our roster has already played for him.

snackyx

May 20th, 2015 at 3:08 PM ^

The rumored salary was $4-5 mil/yr. so Toronto has to pop for $50 mil over 8 years?  I think Babby has been less than "candid" with everyone regarding his intentions through this whole ordeal.  If he wants to win NOW, Toronto is not the place to go. Its an old addage, but whenever they say "its not about the money", its about the money.  Personally, I look forward to Blashill taking over--a new voice in the locker room may do some good, and I think the ENTIRE Red Wing organization--from Mr. I and Kenny H on down-- may have a little extra incentive to show that the success of the Red WIngs does not hinge on the presence of Mike Babcock.

That's Just Kramer

May 20th, 2015 at 3:30 PM ^

Hotel Putingrad

May 20th, 2015 at 3:12 PM ^

But winning championships requires organizational competence and depth. The Leafs have neither. He will be fired before reaching the halfway point of this contract.

flashOverride

May 20th, 2015 at 3:22 PM ^

I'm not heartbroken by any means. I think his act had grown stale with this group and it was time to move. And, like I said on the other thread, there have been some frustrating playoff collapses. I am not saying Mike Babcock is not a very good coach, he is possibly the best in hockey today. He and Ken Holland both share blame, I'm just not sure who has more. I am simply saying if you take a truly objective look at the playoffs from his time in Detroit, here is what you get: 
 
2006 - after splitting first four games with Oilers, whiffed on chance to assert authority in Game 5 at home, falling behind 3-0 before losing 3-2. Had 2-0 lead going into 3rd period in Game 6, 4-goal implosion ensued. President's Trophy-winning team knocked out in first round
 
2007 - fluke goal produced massive turning point in Game 5 of WCF against Ducks, lost in six games. I don't fault Babcock much for that one. Wings had to be exhausted after ridiculous travel from six-game series vs Calgary and then San Jose before yet another distant foe in Anaheim. It's unfortunate, I think this was really the best Wings team of his tenure
 
2008 - THE CUP! However, let's be objective...thanks to upsets, highest-seeded team Wings had to play in the West was Dallas at #5. Pens in Finals were East #2, but were also a young team that were really still one more year away
 
2009 - led Anaheim 3-2 in second round, could not finish in Game 6 (get ready for this to be a theme), but did gut out Game 7 win at home. Beat Chicago in 5 games in WCF series with lots of OT (like Pens previous year, this very young team was also not quite ready for prime time). Had Pens on the ropes in finals after 5-0 beating in Game 5, could not close out. Completely flat-footed in Games 6 and 7, both losses
 
2010 - led Phoenix 3-2, could not close out in Game 6. Stomped them in their building in Game 7, but objectively, Coyotes were vastly inferior. Absolutely dominated by Sharks in second round, falling behind 3-0 in series before Franzen decided to turn up with a four-goal outburst in Game 4. Put out of misery in Game 5  
 
2011 - after sweeping Phoenix in first round, again fell behind 3-0 to Sharks in second, albeit in much tighter games (two of them in OT) than previous year. Battled back very admirably to tie series at 3-3, but seemed to come out a little uninterested for start of Game 7. Season over
 
2012 - utterly dominated by fucking Nashville Predators in five games in first round
 
2013 - very impressive seven-game upset of Ducks in first round. In fact, the only truly impressive Wings playoff series victory in over half a decade. Led Chicago 3-1 in second round, could not close out in Game 5 or 6, quite predictably lost Game 7 in OT
 
2014 - seemed content to rest on laurels of surprising road victory in Game 1 at Boston. Bruins largely dominated the next four games
 
2015 - yes, Mrazek stole Game 1, something a hot goalie will do once or twice in a series. In Game 4, with chance to take 3-1 series lead, Wings had 2-0 lead with seven minutes remaining and blew it, had been playing "prevent D" for much of 3rd period. Lost in OT. Rebounded in Game 5, but once again could not close out a team in Game 6 at home, and once again could not get over the hump in the resulting Game 7 
 
His teams were also 9-13 in playoff OT, which was kind of frustrating. 

ppudge

May 20th, 2015 at 3:43 PM ^

Wow, no credit for the '08 Cup since we apparently didn't beat anyone of consequence in the potluck that is the Stanley Cup Playoffs. Most of your post is spot on, but come on! The Hawks were what, a 5 or 6 seed this year in the West? But they're the best team. Sometimes the high seeds aren't built for the playoffs. So to say we didn't beat anyone higher than a 5 seed and that the Pens were still a year away is very disingenuous.

mgoblue0970

May 20th, 2015 at 4:02 PM ^

Mike Babcock has won international junior and senior tourneys, Olympic gold, and Stanley Cups.  Yes, he IS, not may be, the best coach in hockey today. 

Without him, the Wings miss the playoffs a couple of years ago with that shitty roster of Bert, Sammy, and a past himsprime Cleary, etc.

flashOverride

May 20th, 2015 at 7:58 PM ^

I don't give him TOO much credit for his two Olympic golds. Peruse the roster of the Canadian teams from the past two Olympics, then read the numerous articles about who they had to snub. Canada could have iced two teams in 2010 and 2014, and both would have been medal favorites. A lot of coaches could have won gold with those lineups. He had a big hand, sure, but so did Steve Yzerman in selecting personnel. 

clarkiefromcanada

May 20th, 2015 at 11:52 PM ^

Peruse the comments section during the Olympics when my fellow Canadias were *definitely* going to lose to a) the Americans; b) the Russians and c) the Swedes. The pressure on the head coach of the Canadian team is unbelievable and, unlike the American team which is an interesting anecdote on the sporting landscape, the analysis of the Canadian team (inclusions/exclusions/coaching staff etc.) is a months long media exercise. 

Babcock's Canadian team won with ridiculously effective defensive play in the last Olympics. That was application of his systems. He got buy in from the best players in the world to stop their usual roles and embrace defensive hockey (see Jamie Benn, Ryan Getzlaff and Corey Perry on a 2nd line and Patrick Marleau, Jonathan Toews and Jeff Carter on the checking line). Players win games. They won at the Olympics, handily, using Babcock's system. 

Canada hasn't won gold at every Olympics despite having enough talent to send an a, b, and c team. Coaching matters. Canadians respect Babcock's efforts, believe me.

Hannibal.

May 21st, 2015 at 8:10 AM ^

He's got Jonathan Teows, Jeff Carter, and Patrick Marleau on a third or fourth line and you think that the guy is a genius for being able to win with that?  Compare that to the third or fourth line from Russia or Sweden. 

I'll repeat what I said above -- a chimpanzee could win with that lineup.  It's insane. 

Hannibal.

May 20th, 2015 at 4:20 PM ^

I'm with ya.  He's a good coach but his NHL accomplishments don't really match his "best coach in the history of the universe" reputation.  Given the insane levels of talent on the team from '06 through '09 a minimum of one Stanley Cup is what should have been expected out of that group and that's what we got.  The '06 egg laying against Edmonton was just a disgrace.  Since then, the performance of the team has been a "meets expectations" affair with only one playoff series victory in the past four seasons.  The team has looked lazy, careless, and disinterested for long periods since the cup win and isn't really responding to him anymore. 

CompleteLunacy

May 20th, 2015 at 9:55 PM ^

You are a bit critical of 2008, but you didn't even mention one of the biggest parts of the cup run that was frustrating - game 5 of the SCF was an adventure that ended up in yet another one of those can't-close-it-out data points that became a pattern since then. Wings go down 2-0 in first period, so play from behind to close out the cup. But they battle back and score in the 2nd and twice in the third, steal ALL of the momentum, have ALL BUT WON the cup...and with 35 seconds left, Pittsburgh ties it up. Three overtimes later...3 OTs of being literally on the brink of winning everything with just one shot...but instead we're headed to game 6. Now, they DID close it out (thank god) in Pittsburgh after that crushing loss, but this is just another example of that annoying pattern that kept showing up on a yearly basis in the playoffs.

That can't be all Babcock's fault of course, but maybe a new coach will bring a much needed breath of fresh air into what seemed like was a stale environment. Babcock was brilliant in the way he approached Tampa this year with an inferior roster...and yet, paradoxically, I wonder how much of the reason why Detroit collapsed in the series had to do with Babcock and this recurring pattern of "can't close out pivotal games at home"

The Mad Hatter

May 20th, 2015 at 3:15 PM ^

Can't blame him for leaving, especially with that pay.

Is he married?  Because there is an outstanding selection of attractive women from all over the world available in Toronto.  

I used to date a Canadian girl.  You wouldn't know her.

Lou MacAdoo

May 20th, 2015 at 3:31 PM ^

Wow this came out of left field. I was just talking to my buddy who's a diehard leafs fan this morning. He was resigned to the fact that Babcock was officially not coming to Toronto after months of telling me he was. I'm going to guess he's on cloud nine right now.



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Rabbit21

May 20th, 2015 at 3:35 PM ^

Maybe this is the time to make the youth movement take over in earnest and bring up a coach who can grow with the Tatar's and Glende int's of the world.

UofM Die Hard …

May 20th, 2015 at 3:46 PM ^

He is a great coach, but I am very tired of getting ousted after 1st round, after 1st round, after 1st round...

Might be the perfect time for change.  

 

Go Wings!  

BlueMan80

May 20th, 2015 at 3:47 PM ^

Joe Maddon taking the Cubs managerial job.  Have to give him props for being willing to take on the black hole that the Leafs have become.  Maddon has the Cubs showing some signs of life this season, so maybe Babcock can bring Toronto back from oblivion.

Do the Wings have a good candidate to backfill the job?  I don't live in Detroit, so I'm not sure what the buzz is.