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OT - B1G Nightmarish Day Continues; Butch Jones rejects Purdue

Butch Jones has taken himself out of Purdue's HC search.  He's still considering Colorado.  Yes, the 1-11 Colorado Buffaloes.  The haven't had a winning season since 2005 Colorado Buffaloes.  Of the Pac12.  Come on B1G, stop circling the drain and fix this BS. 

http://www.indystar.com/article/20121204/SPORTS0602/121204013/With-Butch-Jones-out-picture-where-does-Purdue-look-next-?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CIndianapolis%20Sports 

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December 4th, 2012 at 6:01 PM | I honestly don't think it's (Score:3 Normal)
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I honestly don't think it's that big of a "miss" for Purdue.  Darrell Hazell is a much better option, IMO.  Jones was another Hazell just a couple years ago in the MAC.  Good hire for Purdue.

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December 4th, 2012 at 6:02 PM | we'd rather have Chris Peterson (Score:1)
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or maybe we'll poach Dantonio.

signed, the Buffs

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December 4th, 2012 at 6:05 PM | Hmmmm...   Boulder, or West (Score:5 Normal)
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Hmmmm...

 

Boulder, or West Lafayette, IN?

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December 4th, 2012 at 6:06 PM | ^^^ This ^^^ (Score:5 Normal)
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There actually might be some football coaches who do consider quality of life when making life decisions.

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December 4th, 2012 at 6:32 PM | When your football (Score:1)
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is almost devoid of talent, quality of life might not be that great.  I live in Colorado and the bigger issue than Embree's coaching is the almost absolute lack of talent on the team.  They are one of the slowest teams I've ever watched.  I have no idea why anyone from a BCS conference (and I realize that is probably giving the Big East to much credit) would even consider the job.

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December 4th, 2012 at 6:54 PM | Bill Snyder would disagree (Score:2 Normal)
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Bill Snyder would disagree

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December 4th, 2012 at 7:12 PM | Raises the question of (Score:1)
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CU's willingness to accept JUCO athletes. CU academics are a cut above KSU and it will take 4-5 years of recruiting HS kids to fully rebuild.

Snyder fully agrees on this point.

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December 4th, 2012 at 7:19 PM | Disagree with what? (Score:1)
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Bill Snyder thinks CU is one of the better jobs in the country?

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December 4th, 2012 at 8:23 PM | I don't get this (Score:1)
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Why would he not want the job just because the team now sucks? I'm sure they will suck next year, but it's a process that takes years. Plus, going to a team that's as awful as Colorado means they can't get worse. He could have a first year worse than RR here and people wouldn't be calling for his head.

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December 4th, 2012 at 6:07 PM | Except that a coach doesn't (Score:3 Normal)
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Except that a coach doesn't have time to go skiing . . . and Boulder is pretty far from most recruiting areas.  

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December 4th, 2012 at 6:14 PM | Maybe he is a pot head.  (Score:5 Normal)
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Maybe he is a pot head. 

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December 5th, 2012 at 1:31 AM | its easy enough to be a (Score:1)
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its easy enough to be a pothead just about anywhere these days

 


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December 4th, 2012 at 6:19 PM | What about their families? (Score:3 Normal)
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What about their families? Coaches already work too many hours to spend much time at home.

Eating is murder.

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December 4th, 2012 at 6:06 PM | Not totally surprised (Score:5 Normal)
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If I was Butch Jones, I'd rather go to UC-Boulder instead of WL, Indiana.  Expectations are super low, and boy, just look at the view!

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December 4th, 2012 at 6:36 PM | Expectations aren't that low (Score:1)
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The diehards think the Buffs run of success from the late 80's to early 2000's means they should be competing for conference championships just about every year.

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December 4th, 2012 at 6:06 PM | I'd take the Colorado job (Score:4 Normal)
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I'd take the Colorado job over Purdue any day.

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December 4th, 2012 at 6:12 PM | It's not an insult to the (Score:5 Normal)
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It's not an insult to the B10. Colorado is a much better job, considering program potential and quality of life. West Lafayette is a dump. Boulder is a paradise.

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December 4th, 2012 at 6:07 PM | Maybe Butch likes the green, (Score:4 Normal)
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Maybe Butch likes the green, funny smelling stuff?

"Ohio is like a giant turd that Michigan just can't pinch off"

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December 4th, 2012 at 6:29 PM | Money? (Score:5 Normal)
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Money?

Formerly 'mgoblaniel.'

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December 4th, 2012 at 6:07 PM | It should be noted that (Score:1)
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It should be noted that Colorado is sinking a ton of money into their football program. Stadium and football facility upgrades are a selling point for Jones

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December 4th, 2012 at 6:13 PM | Colorado and Purdue (Score:2 Normal)
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both suck.

...confidence is the stain they can't wipe off...

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December 4th, 2012 at 6:14 PM | And therein lies the problem (Score:2)
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Second- and third-tier programs in other conferences are sinking lots of money into their football programs while B1G teams hire Tim Beckman and stagnate.

Denard's 2010 was spent redefining what one man can do.

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December 4th, 2012 at 6:53 PM | Despite the fact that Big Ten (Score:2 Normal)
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Despite the fact that Big Ten teams have more money than anyone coming in

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December 4th, 2012 at 7:32 PM | The rumor on the Boiler blogs (Score:1)
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The rumor on the Boiler blogs was that they offered equal money so it ain't cash

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December 4th, 2012 at 6:09 PM | I wonder... (Score:2)
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if he will stay at Cincy?  I mean, let us be honest...neither of those jobs are great. 

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December 4th, 2012 at 6:18 PM | True. I wouldn't really (Score:1)
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True. I wouldn't really consider either of them much of an upgrade.

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December 4th, 2012 at 6:30 PM | my view from Cincinnati (Score:2)
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is that any move out of the Big East into one of the big five conference, to any school, is an upgrade right now. No matter what success they might have on the field, it doesn't look like Cincinnati is going to get picked up by a major conference and whenever the musical-chairs game is finally over and the playoff scheme gets fixed they're likely to be left out in the cold.

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December 4th, 2012 at 6:11 PM | I can't think of any sane (Score:3 Normal)
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I can't think of any sane person who'd choose W. Lafayette over Boulder.   Not only is the region a ton nicer, Colorado actually has some history to the program and the ability to turn into a good program once again.  Purdue...eh...can't think of any positives.

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December 4th, 2012 at 6:17 PM | but but purdue had DREW (Score:1)
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but but purdue had DREW BREES!!!

 

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December 4th, 2012 at 6:12 PM | Colorado has fallen off a (Score:2)
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Colorado has fallen off a cliff, but it's still a better program than Purdue. 

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December 4th, 2012 at 6:13 PM | Gene Chizek (Score:0 Flamebait)
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to Purdue?

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December 4th, 2012 at 6:18 PM | Then There Was This... (Score:3 Normal)
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Here's something from Hammer And Rails - according to this, an agreement in principle was reached between Darrell Hazell and Purdue, with details being worked out. It could still potentially fall apart at this stage if it only in principle, of course, but this would be a great get for them, I think. 

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December 4th, 2012 at 6:20 PM | FWIW (Score:3 Normal)
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I know that there are OSU fans who are/were hoping that Hazell would be able to take over for Meyer when the time came. 

It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra

                         

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December 5th, 2012 at 1:30 AM | Like next year (Score:1)
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When he actually might lose a game, get over stressed, and break his contract with his family? Serenity Now!

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December 4th, 2012 at 6:15 PM | Wisconsin? (Score:2)
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Maybe Wisconsin will take a look at Butch Jones now. Wouldn't be a bad hire for them and considering the schools courting him you'd have to think Wisconsin could get him if they wanted to.

"Sometimes ya just gotta look at it."

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December 4th, 2012 at 6:17 PM | Colorado was a great program (Score:2)
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Colorado was a great program not so long ago, and has a ton going for it, other than that pesky record.  I'd take that job in a heartbeat over Purdue.  

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December 4th, 2012 at 6:18 PM | Purdue was just too cheap to (Score:3 Normal)
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Purdue was just too cheap to pay him. Do we need a coaching salary floor or what? They should earmark a portion of the BTN money, force cheap teams like Purdue not to just sit on their cash. 

 

The Big Ten is becoming a league full of former MAC rejects. The big money and big talent of late is HC in a major conference or coordintors in a major conference. 

Who was the last MAC hire to work out? (I'm honestly asking...)

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December 4th, 2012 at 6:26 PM | Brady Hoke (Score:5 Normal)
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Just sayin'

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December 4th, 2012 at 6:35 PM | The argument isn't that great (Score:2 Normal)
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The argument isn't that great coaches don't come out of the MAC (Nick Saban, Brian Kelly, and Urban Meyer aren't shabby examples either), but that B1G should be a big enough deal they can poach those talents after they move up a step and prove they can they can build even better programs with the resources of a larger school.  We got Hoke after he began to show he could transition his MAC success to even greater success at SDSU.  While occassionally you pull and MSU and get a Saban right out of the MAC, B1G schools should be able to be more discerning.

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December 4th, 2012 at 7:36 PM | When does this happen? (Score:3 Normal)
Club2230
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How often do any teams get hired away from other major conference teams?  Lane Kiffin went for his dream job at USC.  There are NFL rejects that land at good schools (Saban, Carroll, Spurrier, Lane Kiffin, and plenty more) but rarely is it the case that big name hires happen anywhere.

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December 4th, 2012 at 9:49 PM | Guys like Jim Harbaugh, Nick (Score:1)
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Guys like Jim Harbaugh, Nick Saban, Brady Hoke, Urban Meyer, and Brian Kelly have all climbed the HC ladder but whether it is a coach like that or a big name OC/DC like Bob Stoops, Les Miles, Kevin Sumlin, Dana Holgersen, or Barry Alvarez, the ADs are going to have to spend some money to take a chance. You obviously can't just throw money at the problem, but hiring in the B1G has always seemed to be pretty conservative, except maybe Rich Rodriguez and Urban Meyer.

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December 4th, 2012 at 7:39 PM | Saban was in Cleveland (Score:1)
cm2010
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as the DC before he got to State, which I think only helps the point you're making.

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December 4th, 2012 at 6:38 PM | Urban Meyer was one of those (Score:2)
Yeoman
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Urban Meyer was one of those worthless MAC guys too. I'm guessing Utah was glad they didn't throw a bunch of money at an established BCS coach.

Gary Pinkel, Glen Mason, maybe Hoeppner but he never had a chance to find out...it doesn't seem like that bad a list to me.

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December 4th, 2012 at 6:48 PM | Do you really think Utah was (Score:2)
LandonC
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Do you really think Utah was capable of pulling an established BCS coach at the time?

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December 4th, 2012 at 7:26 PM | You're right, they probably couldn't. (Score:5 Normal)
Yeoman
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They were forced to make the right hire.

The big schools hire big names because their fanbases expect it. Has anyone ever done a decent study showing how the strategies compare? It's not obvious to me that the BCS-experienced guys have worked out better on average. Staying close to home and looking at Michigan and Ohio because I don't have to waste time looking them up, we have:

BCS-level experience:

  1. Bruce
  2. Cooper
  3. Meyer
  4. Rodriguez

minor-conference experience:

  1. Hayes
  2. Tressel
  3. Schembechler
  4. Hoke

direct in-house hire of assistant:

  1. Fickell
  2. Oosterbaan
  3. Elliott
  4. Moeller (had prior BCS experience though)
  5. Carr

A lot of good coaches on all three lists, obviously, but the middle set looks pretty damn good to me.

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December 4th, 2012 at 7:45 PM | Following up on this... (Score:3 Normal)
Yeoman
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it may be just about the dumbest way to sort these, but it's clean and quick: here are the records of each group in the game:

  • BCS-experience 8-17-1
  • minor-conference 37-22-2
  • asst. promotion 17-21-2

If you move Moeller into the BCS group it's:

  • BCS-experience 11-18-2
  • minor-conference 37-22-2
  • asst. promotion 14-20-1

It doesn't come out to .500 because I started Michigan's clock with Oosterbaan and OSU's clock with Hayes. If you want to start them both in '51 you can take two wins and a tie out of the asst. promotion lines.

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December 5th, 2012 at 1:25 AM | And another try. (Score:2)
Yeoman
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There are lot better ways to study this if I had some time, but here's another quick analysis. Here's a list of all the BCS-level coaches of the last half century with more than 200 wins and how they got to their main schools:

  • Bobby Bowden, prior BCS experience
  • Bear Bryant, prior BCS experience
  • Joe Paterno, in-house promotion
  • Frank Beamer, FCS
  • Tom Osborne, in-house promotion
  • Lou Holtz, prior BCS experience (did he ever even have a first job or is it turtles all the way down?)
  • Woody Hayes, minor FBS
  • Mack Brown, prior BCS experience
  • Bo Schembechler, minor FBS
  • Hayden Fry, minor FBS
  • Jim Tressel, FCS
  • Steve Spurrier, prior BCS experience
  • Don Nehlen, MAC by way of Mich DC, not sure how to categorize this one.
  • Vince Dooley, hired away and promoted

That's 5 with prior BCS experience, 6 with prior head coaching experience at a lower level, and 3 who had never been a head coach before.

I'm assuming this is usually the goal of a hire at a top school--you want someone that will stay at your school forever and win a ton of games (presumably without embarrassing you too badly). And it's clear from history that that guy doesn't have to have had prior BCS-level coaching experience.

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December 4th, 2012 at 6:31 PM | Urban Meyer? Bo Schembechler? (Score:2)
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Urban Meyer? Bo Schembechler?

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December 4th, 2012 at 6:31 PM | Who was the last MAC hire to work out? (Score:3 Normal)
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Lessee... some guy named Schembechler coached at Miami, then some guy named Meyer coached at Bowling Green, then some other guy named Hoke coached at Ball State, then some guy named Kelly coached at CMU.


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December 4th, 2012 at 6:39 PM | Of those 4 only Bo really (Score:4 Normal)
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Of those 4 only Bo really counts. Kelly won a Big East title at UC, Brady Hoke turned around a SDSU program that was pretty bad, and Urban Meyer won a BCS bowl at Utah and two national titles at Florida. I don't necesarilly think MAC hires = DOOM(although I was not a huge fan of the Hoke hire at first), but it's probably important to see that a coach has some non-MAC success before bringing him into your major program.

" I want to win Big 10 titles. Multiply. Consecutively. I just made that word up (multiply). I'm like that. I'm good at Scrabble."

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