OT: ASU OL Chip Sarafin comes out

Submitted by GoWings2008 on

Edward 'Chip' Sarafin has become the first active player in NCAA football to come out publically regarding his sexuality.  I'm sure this will turn into a firestorm of opinions, positive and negative.  Personally, I applaud this individual to have the courage in making this announcement.  Its truly a historical event as I believe that Michael Sam and Chip are breaking new ground in college athletics' environment.  Link:  http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11349933/edward-chip-sarafin-arizona-state-sun-devils-announces-gay

turd ferguson

August 14th, 2014 at 9:34 AM ^

The responses to these stories show that we have grown as a nation.  If there's a divide among people's responses today, it's that some say "that's courageous and great" and others say "who cares about people's sexual preference?"  Just a few years ago that divide was between "that's great / who cares" and "this is sick/wrong/unacceptable."

Hagen

August 14th, 2014 at 9:53 AM ^

There's no question that we have grown as a nation.  But unfortunately, I don't think those who think that this is "sick/wrong/unacceptable" are completely gone (I made the mistake of scrolling to the comments section on ESPN's article...serves me right for looking at ESPN).

But as all human equality movements go, there will be continued bumps in the road.  I guess we can take solace in the fact that hopefully the worst is behind us.  I applaud Chip for his courage.

ijohnb

August 14th, 2014 at 10:24 AM ^

just really sick of the story, the on-going story, that is the sexual orientation of athletes.  It means about as much to me as if they were "coming out" as vegetarians.  This is a been there-done that thing for the media at this point.

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WolvinLA2

August 14th, 2014 at 11:28 AM ^

Not at all.  Vegetarians have never been a discriminated group in our country, been subject to hate crimes, I've never heard of a vegetarian being closeted because he's afraid to come out, etc.  It's not at all the same.  

ijohnb

August 14th, 2014 at 11:57 AM ^

it is the same, but it has made its way into the sports consciousness too much now.  Am I happy for gay people that they can and should feel welcome in sports?  Yes.  Do I want to hear Brent Musberger say "and now Thomas comes in to the game to spell Williams in the backfield.  As you know, Thomas the 6'1-220 pound homosexual running back from Memphis was highly touted coming out of high school."  No.  It is not a "need to know" aspect of a person's makeup for the purposes of sport.  

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MGoBrewMom

August 14th, 2014 at 1:54 PM ^

but there is clearly a double standard for many...that is my point. Frankly, *I* don't need to see any of it-but to say we are sick of hearing about who's gay, because it's irrelevant, and then be ok with the other sexualization is a pretty blatant and gross double standard.

ijohnb

August 14th, 2014 at 2:47 PM ^

a double standard because the scale is tilted very far in one direction, the ratio is not 1 to 1 here.  You are kind of describing a world where it is taboo for a straight person to discuss sexuality at all while it is acceptable for a homosexual to discuss their sex life in very specific terms, are you not.  What Musberger did with whats-her-name was certainly a little pathetic and old-man-gross but would you say it was "offensive" to gay people?

Ali G Bomaye

August 14th, 2014 at 3:12 PM ^

What about when Ian Johnson proposed to his girlfriend right after the Fiesta Bowl against Oklahoma?  You think the reactions would have been different if that had been his boyfriend?

The issue isn't what is "offensive" to one group or another.  The issue is that right now, we still live in a world where heterosexual relationships can be publicly displayed with essentially no negative reaction, whereas the same isn't true with homosexual relationships.

MGoBrewMom

August 14th, 2014 at 4:24 PM ^

I personally find constant oogling over boobies demeaning and sexualizing of women devaluing. I have daughters and I think they have more value then what men think they look like. So I generally don't click on links that I know are going to discuss that....but society is ok with "boys being boys".. So when a minority group has courage to say "this is me" and that proclamation is helpful to a group of people who are misunderstood and discriminated against, and then some douchbag says "I don't need to hear about THAT!"....I just say tough shit to that. deal with it. I deal with oogling over tits on a daily basis and I don't bitch about it (generally... I'm only bitching now to make a point)

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MGoBrewMom

August 14th, 2014 at 6:17 PM ^

I used my issue to make a point. clearly didn't make myself clear. last try: if you are tired of hearing about people (2 current male athletes? ?) coming out, don't spend time on it. at this point in time, there is a value to society for this man to say who he is, and just because a few people don't want to hear it, too bad. if you don't appreciate the topic, change the channel... Click a different thread, one you are more interested in.

MGoBrewMom

August 14th, 2014 at 4:59 PM ^

I'm not sure which "homosexual" is discussing their sex life in specific terms? And if your example were the case, that would also be a double standard. As far as your tilted scale argument, you are saying double standards are ok unless the ratio is close?? And as for Brent, or anyone gushing over female body parts, I don't know about Gay people, but plenty of women find it offensive (and from the sound of it, men did too).

ijohnb

August 14th, 2014 at 6:19 PM ^

I am saying is that you are never going to see a world where dialogue is completely balanced between heterosexuals and homosexuals because there is way more of one than the other.

michchi85

August 14th, 2014 at 9:12 AM ^

It's such a difficult thing to do, come out and face possible judgement from 100 teammates.  I'm sure people will post silly comments about "how is this news" but take into accout the courage needed to come out.  I'll be rooting for Mr. Sarafin.  

AFWolverine

August 14th, 2014 at 9:12 AM ^

Personal beliefs aside, who cares. Play football. It should be a non-issue. Frankly, the more homosexual athletes that come out in a big announcement type public way are making it easier for the opposing viewpoint to make noise. That's just my opinion.

GoWings2008

August 14th, 2014 at 9:15 AM ^

but the fact that the first person, or persons, that make the announcement are thrust into the limelight.  Yes, it SHOULD be a non-issue, but nowadays it is.  In 10 yrs, it won't be.  Loosely compared to Jackie Robinson breaking the color barrier in baseball...it shouldn't have been as big of a deal because of the man's talent, but because of society it was.  Its unfortunate, but its reality.

Muttley

August 14th, 2014 at 9:42 AM ^

across all of society/occupations, taking a beach-head for all blacks in 1947.  The sports world was on the leading edge.

Sadly, the sporting world today is a considerable laggard with respect to its attitude toward gays.

It's definitely a sports story.  As a society story, it's more along the lines of one more (highly visible) road that finally is getting built.

AFWolverine

August 14th, 2014 at 9:42 AM ^

You're correct. I don't know because I'm not gay, nor am I an athlete. I just think the less of a big deal they make about it, the less of a big deal everyone else will, too. Maybe my thought process is wrong on that, but that's just what I think would change things for them. Coming out is what it is. The bigger deal made, the bigger the response.

AFWolverine

August 14th, 2014 at 10:30 AM ^

I don't think I should do anything. I'm a fan of a different school in a different conference. Michigan doesn't play ASU, and won't unless the stars align for a Rose Bowl matchup. He can do whatever he wants and I will cheer for Michigan. I'm not pretending to be color-blind, I'm saying let him be who he says he is, and play some football.

WolvinLA2

August 14th, 2014 at 11:32 AM ^

But I think these guys want it to be a big deal so others in their position see it and feel comfortable doing the same.  Would Chip have felt as comfortable coming out had Michael Sam not been a big story?  It's hard to know, but it wouldn't be a surprise if Chip saw the positive reaction Sam got and decided he could do that too.  And I'm sure others in his position will be more likely to come out now because of it.

MGoBrewMom

August 14th, 2014 at 11:43 AM ^

for the football team you are a fan of. This time its ASU. even though your apathy is aparent, you are still part of society and the story has bigger implications to people not named afwolverine. you don't have to "do anything" except maybe give a teeny shit about other people.

AFWolverine

August 14th, 2014 at 2:23 PM ^

Don't mistake my apathy to this as not caring about people. As a Christian, I stake my life on caring about people. It's pretty silly to think that I, AFWolverine, from my corner of the internet is going to make a difference in a collegiate athlete's decision to be public about his personal life. Frankly, making a bunch of posts on the internet, whether here or some other site, saying congrats to him, or anyone else is faux concern for their plight as gay athletes. If you want to make a difference for them or help their cuase, be involved in an orgranization that promotes them. We could talk about this on MGoBlog every day til the end of time, but it truly won't make a difference until you put your feet and hands where your typing goes.

MGoBrewMom

August 14th, 2014 at 4:37 PM ^

Just not the people who are struggling with their own identity that this type of announcement benefits. And for the record, as a human being (without my personal belief proclamation) I also care about people. Christians don't hold the ownership of caring about people..and FYI, my feet and hands are involved in this daily, thanks for your concern.

Lasell

August 14th, 2014 at 10:08 AM ^

Regardless of whether you think anyone should make a big deal over a player coming out, the article clearly does not. If you read the article, it is clear that Sarafin's coming out is almost barely mentioned and added in an "oh, by the way" fashion, and focuses mostly on his interest in neurology and concussion saftey.

ohioNblue33

August 14th, 2014 at 9:27 AM ^

does everyone have to make a public announcement about being gay? who gives a shit man. just play football and get an education. I'm about to make a public announcement about my sobriety! Would anyone really care? not to many would.

wish you were here

August 14th, 2014 at 9:48 AM ^

You do realize that the chances of playing college ball are slim and playing in the nfl are slimmer. If you take into acount that homosexuals make up a small percentage of our population..you see where I'm going with this. The numbers would dictate there aren't going to be a plethera of gay college football or nfl players. Not because they're oppressed or enslaved but because the numbers say so.

BiSB

August 14th, 2014 at 9:55 AM ^

There are 80,000 college players. Even if we assume that ONLY the 4% of the population who publicly identify themselves as gay are gay, that's 3,200 gay college players.

There are 1,696 NFL players. Again, even if we assume that (almost certainly low) 4% of the population is gay, that's 67.8 gay players (or 67 gay players and one gay slot receiver).