OT: Arizona destroys Oregon, 42-16.

Submitted by wolverine1987 on

Happy for Rich Rod and Arizona. Kadeem Carey was a man today, and Oregon failed, as several players during the week were dismissing the possibility of the Rose Bowl because they are focused on the national title. Good for Arizona and happy to see Oregon brought down.

Edit: not trying to start any flaming, this is news and I'm happy to see big upsets, and Oregon deserved to be brought down IMO.

snarling wolverine

November 23rd, 2013 at 7:08 PM ^

And we couldn't have had any more losses in 2010?  I remember a 3-OT win over Illinois, a last-second win over IU and an escape over UMass.

RichRod inherited a program that had gone to 33 straight bowl games and hadn't had a losing B1G season in 40 years.  He promptly posted three straight losing B1G seasons and only went to one bowl (which we lost by 38 points).  After three years of him we were worse than we'd been under Carr.  That's not improving the program.  We were improved only relative to his total failure in year 1.

Using your logic, Hoke should have done zero coaching in 2011 so we'd have started out 3-9, thus making the next two years look good in comparison.

 

Never

November 23rd, 2013 at 7:18 PM ^

He "inherited a program" whose recruiting was floating slowly downward (this has been discussed already). He also "inherited" Nick Sheridan and Steven Threet. Boren transferred because he didn't like hustling between plays. Stop acting as if he "inherited" an Aston Martin and promptly drove it through potholes while never getting it serviced. More like a Corvette that he stripped and attempted to rebuild.

Well. Tinkered with the engine and left the brakes to GERG.

snarling wolverine

November 23rd, 2013 at 7:39 PM ^

Go back and read the archives of this site in December 2007.  You won't see anyone predicting a 3-9 disaster followed by more mediocrity to come.  In fact, I looked up the 2008 season preview (made after all the transfers had happened) and Brian predicted 7-5.

Rich Rod inherited Mallett, but couldn't convince him to stay.  As for Boren, he was so "lazy"  that he became a starter for Ohio teams that were better than us.  I believe there was another linemen (Mitchell) who decided not to come back for his 5th year even though he was a starter.

Rich Rod inherited more than people claim.  But he didn't understand that he needed to sell himself to the players.  He fired all their old assistants while putting in totally new schemes.  He didn't manage the transition well, and the players didn't buy in.   The other problem with firing all the assistants was that it disrupted our recruiting connections.  We had decades-old relationships with high schools that were lost when Carr's assistants were all fired.  

Again, compare this to Beilein and it's night and day.  Beilein went to the NCAA tournament in year two with a team he mostly didn't recruit.  

Swazi

November 23rd, 2013 at 7:06 PM ^

He won 6 B1G games in three years.  It isn't hard to go up from a 3 win season.

 

Hoke matched RichRod's conference wins in EACH of his first two years.  He also beat Ohio State and Michigan State.  

 

Just remember, RichRod ended 2010 scoring 49 points in 3 games.  He gave up 137 points.

Summoner10

November 24th, 2013 at 12:18 AM ^

And he ended that 2010 campaign with the most embarassing bowl experience in the history of Michigan bowls.... 

Hoke's team may be struggling this year people, but we wouldnt be any better if Rich Rod was still here.  Its not like Arizona is rocking the world this year thats why the Oregon win is such a huge upset.

Cold War

November 23rd, 2013 at 7:18 PM ^

You might want to check how his last three games ended before you say we were on the upswing.

I suppose someone could alwys become an Arizona fan if they love RichRod.

Alumnus93

November 23rd, 2013 at 8:08 PM ^

wanna know why RR failed here?    it was a matter of $ 15,000... thats what it would have taken to bring Jeff Casteel, his DC....supposedly we wouldnt pay that extra $ 15,000 and instead went with Schaefer....  RR without Casteel was pretty bad folks...  with him, and he'd still be the coach here...YEP.....  thats tough to swallow, but he'd have made it.. .that offense of his combined with a decent defense, would have made it.

BluCheese

November 24th, 2013 at 10:07 AM ^

A good head coach has built a network of coaches that he can go to if his first choice is unavailable for some reason.  And he doesn't hire, twice, a guy that has no clue how to run the system he wants to run.  You're telling me there isn't any other 3-3-5 guys out there who would have come to Michigan?

Humen

November 23rd, 2013 at 6:48 PM ^

This was a surprising win, and they way they did it was even more surprising (coming from an RR team): Arizona was more physical than Oregon. 

MGoBlue96

November 23rd, 2013 at 6:58 PM ^

You have to be physical to run the ball successfully in any offense. Not sure what is with the misnomer that spread teams don't have to play physically in the trenches.

Clearly Arizona is a very good running team, there is a reason Kadeem Carey has put up the stats he has and is considered a potential high draft pick.

Mr. Yost

November 23rd, 2013 at 6:48 PM ^

But I don't see it as flaming Michigan fans...even though it is. This is a big story like UF losing.

Plus Oregon was talking smack about the Rose Bowl so this makes it even more relevant.

Blue Durham

November 23rd, 2013 at 7:44 PM ^

Hence the difference in the choice of words between "rebuilding" and "reloading." I suspect, due to a number of factors addressed by Brian over the years (particularly Michigan and South Carolina produce about the same amount of high school talent) that Michigan will not be in a position of "reloading" for a long, long time.

coastal blue

November 23rd, 2013 at 9:17 PM ^

You were literally a little school girl in 2011. Now you're down to a couple posts a day because you know just how idiotic you were. It's truly hilarious. Seriously you would post 50 times a day with your chest all puffed out because you thought you'd "won" a culture war. Like most children you don't understand the big picture and you don't think long term. You are a 40 year old man child. Pathetic.

M-Wolverine

November 25th, 2013 at 10:16 AM ^

And have delusionally made up things that never happened. That's your thing. That I'm avoiding people who have nothing but insults like you and get bent out of shape when someone fights back is more a sign how badly this site has deteriorated. Hateful people like you aren't worth my time.

But I'd hardly talk about posting trends when you disappeared for a year when things were going well then crawled back out from under your rock right when we started losing.

And learn what "literally" mean....

 

blueblueblue

November 25th, 2013 at 10:36 AM ^

In my darkest hour I look to both your posts and Section 1's and come to understand that life could be much, much worse. For, I could have the warped mentality, immaturity, or obsessive compulsiveness that the two of you have. And then I feel better. I see that there is some light in this life. I come out of the dark. Literally. 

uminks

November 24th, 2013 at 4:14 AM ^

Not winning with his own players.  But it does help to get wins to attract better players. Hopefully the former coach doesn't have a couple of dud recruiting classes in between or RR may face the same Hoke problem. Too much youth and a lack of upper class-men!

justingoblue

November 23rd, 2013 at 7:13 PM ^

Making up a guideline off the top of my head, if there's any way it has any meaningful effect on Michigan (both the U and AD as well as the fanbase) or the immediate vicinity of campus (basically Ann Arbor proper) it doesn't need an OT tag.

A Pac-12 game coached by RR and involving the number five team qualifies as "potentially having an effect on Michigan". A post about cute dogs does not, and needs an OT tag.