taistreetsmyhero

July 27th, 2015 at 11:44 PM ^

She won't be the first person to get an amazing opportunity at an internship without being anywhere near the most qualified person for the position. Shit like that happens all the time and nobody bats an eye. I'm cool with Jay Harbaugh getting a shot just like I'm cool with this.



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EasyMoney

July 28th, 2015 at 12:02 AM ^

Thats basically my point. She probably has more actual playing and coaching experiance then our TE coach does yet I didn't hear a lot of complaining about that hire. I'm sure she isn't the most qualified person that even wanted that job but it is what it is. The simple fact is she is one of the best female football players there is and that probably will get her a brief stint with a pro team during training camp. If people think she does well and she sticks with the team then good for her. I'll agree with what some others have said and it's going to be awful hard for a 25 year old NFL player to take advice from her.

morepete

July 28th, 2015 at 6:56 PM ^

I think you saying women can never be coaches in football at high levels because they never play football at high levels is much more harmful than me saying that I think that's bad for society.

I'm very tolerant of different opinions. No one is preventing you from sharing them. Just as no one prevents me from telling you I think those opinions are bad and limiting.



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mgoblue0970

July 28th, 2015 at 10:18 PM ^

You're an idiot.  Where did I say, "women can never be coaches"???  Where?  Please cite where those words are atributed to me.

You're clearly not tolerant of anyone who doesn't think like you, becuase you clearly cannot read.

morepete

July 29th, 2015 at 8:14 AM ^

You didn't use those exact words, no. You did call me an SJW, which suggests you sympathize with Gamergaters. In the context of this story, this suggests that your concern is that more qualified men are getting passed over so this woman could be hired.

But that sets up a social trap: how can a woman ever become qualified enough if they never get opportunities in the first place? Anyone who says they're fine with women becoming coaches provided they're qualified is in favor of the situation never changing.



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mgoblue0970

July 29th, 2015 at 1:09 PM ^

You have ZERO idea what I'm thinking about this.

The ONLY thing I posted was regarding those who are intolerant of those with an opinion.

The only "trap" here is one being set up by you though your ridiculous stretches of reasoning.

I have no idea where you are getting your assumptions or suggestions from but how the FUCK did you get into Michigan with a SAT verbal score like that?!

pdgoblue25

July 28th, 2015 at 9:35 AM ^

Becky Hammon excelled at basketball at the highest level, she could at least command some respect for that.

I think Waller will have more of an uphill climb.

kehnonymous

July 28th, 2015 at 11:51 AM ^

There are several reasons why Waller could sink at her position (and again, people, this is a intern coaching position - stop acting like she was made the offensive coordinator as a PR stint) and one of them could very well be her gender; i.e, there are enough shitbag players who automatically tune her out b/c she's a woman, or the extra attention she gets compounds the already high difficulty of coaching at the highest level of the sport.  These are factors beyond Waller's control.

There are many, many other reasons why it might not work - poor on-field results, decided schematic disadvantages, inability to teach proper technique, insufficient grasp of X's and O's, etc.  All of *these* are reasons why many other coaches have flamed out.  We've had front row seats for some of these cases (side-eye glance at the 2014 futbol season).  That said, these are for the most part factors within Waller's control.  If she isn't up to the job, it'll ultimately be because of her insufficient coaching skills - i.e., the same reason 95% of all 9,425,364 fired male coaches in sports history lost their jobs.

It's fine to acknowledge there are gender-based barriers she may have to overcome but when you retreat to those you start becoming part of said barriers.  The whole 'players won't accept her' argument isn't untrue but it's a poor rationale.  I'm perhaps treading into Godwin's Law violations here, but if you'd pointed out 70 years ago that a majority of MLB players and/or fans would have a lot of difficulty accepting Jackie Robinson in a Dodgers uniform you'd be correct but I think we can all agree with 20/20 hindsight that it proved a very poor argument against signing him up for the big leagues.

ETA:  also no one poo-pooing this hire has yet to explain how coaches like Mike Leach or Joe Gibbs (who only won three super bowls, the scrub) succeeded despite never having played a down of college football.  

Hannibal.

July 28th, 2015 at 1:04 PM ^

A lot of people have brought up the examples of coaches like Joe Gibbs and Charlie Weis not having played college football but being either successful head coaches or successful assistants.  What people are forgetting is that those guys paid their dues for years as assistant coaches in college and high school before finally getting an NFL shot.  They demonstrated their abilities and then got rewarded for them.  This lady has done none of this.  She got her first coaching gig this past February for the Texas Revolution of the Indoor Football League.  She has been a football coach for less time than Jim Harbaugh has been the Michigan coach. 

Maybe time will prove her to be a competent coach.  Maybe even an excellent coach.  But you're kidding yourself if you think that politics or PR had nothing to do with hiring somebody at the highest level of football who had:

1.  No playing experience in college football

2.  No experience whatsoever in the NFL

3.  No previous coaching experience.

kehnonymous

July 28th, 2015 at 3:17 PM ^

And again, she's not being hired for a HC position or anything even close to it.  The fairer comparison to make would be the other intern coaches working as assistants to actual position coaches.  How many times in the corporate world did someone get a leg up above candidates with ostensibly thicker resumes because they knew the right people or because a superior saw some promise and wanted to fast-track an underling they really liked?  I'd venture to guess this happens all the time and they then sink or swim on their own merits.  I'd further venture to guess that there have been innumerable instances where a woman or minority is shut out of opportunities for advancement because of the good-ol-boy network, so if this is a one time that not having a penis makes you a distinctively *appealing* candidate for promootion within the coaching ranks then, well, that ranks pretty low on my scale of injustices.

Jason80

July 28th, 2015 at 6:54 PM ^

Fuck you, Coach Mcgrath! Coaching is a very tough profession and while playing experience may help as a leader I believe it more often helps those that are already in the club as players stay in the club as coaches. Many successful business leaders lack experience with a company or within an industry before being given leadership roles.