Kind of upsetting, I liked FGCU..and you'd think this guy is wealthy enough to not need a pay raise. Surprising. I feel for the FGCU fans (and bandwagoners alike).
OT - Andy Enfield and "Dunk City" move to USC
Sellout... That is all
That's a bit harsh. The guy was successful and wanted to move up the ladder. You can't fault him for that. That's like criticizing Beilein (spelling) for going to UMICH.
Good point! I take it back... I feel for the kids... That's better
I get ya. The kids played awesome and hopefully become a consistent tourney team like Butler and VCU.
You can't compare passing up a promotion at work to leaving a school for another. My point is how do you walk out on your kids after you build them up and make a splash on the national scene. Chris Peterson didn't just bounce the fuck out after turning BSU into a power house
True, Chris Petersen didn't.
Now let's look at a list of people who did take bigger jobs:
Uh...basically everyone. So I guess Petersen is the only decent human being in the coaching ranks, and everyone else is a sellout.
Mark Few, Brad Stevens, Shaka Smart. This seems to be more of a thing in college basketball than football.
I think it's easier to stay at a small school in basketball because you can build a good team around 1 or 2 really good players. A good coach will always be able to get those couple of guys on a basketball team. In football, it's much harder to get enough high quality recruits at a small school to build a team to compete with the big boys.
Right. And there are many more examples of people moving up in the coaching world than people who stay put at small schools despite bigger job offers. Three of the four coaches in the Final Four have done it: Rick Pitino was once at Providence, John Beilein has moved up in the coaching ranks every step of the way, and Gregg Marshall was once at Winthrop. The lone exception is Jim Boeheim at Syracuse, which is his alma mater.
for stupidest post of the year. Congrats. You're reward is knowing you're an idiot.
that brady hoke guy is a real asshole for leaving sdsu to go be the head coach at michigan.
And leaving one job for another at a different company? Would you do that and leave everyone on your work team behind? Even if the new job was more money, and the chance to achieve a lot more in your career?
Never understand why people hold others to standards they won't hold themselves.
Chris Peterson didn't just bounce the fuck out after turning BSU into a power house
Not a good comparison. Petersen is not the one who built up BSU. Houston Nutt, Dirk Koetter and Dan Hawkins were there before him. BSU has been very good for about 20 years now. They have an established niche in the CFB world. Moreover, Koetter and Hawkins were busts when they left BSU; in hindsight they probably shouldn't have left.
FGCU, meanwhile, is a school that's literally been in existence about 20 years and went 15-17 one year ago. There is no guarantee anyone, Enfield included, can sustain success there. Why not strike while the iron is hot?
can you believe that fucking sellout Schembechler walked out on his alma mater to go to Michigan?
thanks for playing
Any school in America will fire their coach without thinking twice if they have a couple of bad seasons. Why should coaches be more committed to the school than the school is to them? Yeah, I know, the kids, but the players know that's how it is, and heck, even the best players take the opportunity to leave early when they can.
i remember bitching about jim thome going to the white sox a little, and my dad put it to me like this: "if _________ (rival school) offered you $xx,xxx to coach/teach there, would you?"
when he put it like that, i understood.
just saying, 'dude already has a couple million in the bank why would he leave?' doesn't mean as much when you're talking about someone else's money.
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
...has a better basketball coach than UCLA and UCLA has a better football coach than USC. One thing is for certain...no D1 school has hotter football and basketball coaches wives than USC right now.
just a tad too much into two NCAA tournament games. Historically, hiring coaches based on one Sweet 16 run has not been a successful strategy.
...are self made business millionaires, have super model wives (that they picked up in taxi cabs), and coached teams deep into the tourney at schools that did not even have a D1 basketball program 6 years ago?...historically speaking. Sorry I have seen Alford coach and I will put my money on Enfield.
While impressive, only one of those things is all that useful in basketball.
For a wonderful example of the limited success of hiring based on one year's tourney run, see Tommy Amaker.
But didn't UCLA just hire a guy who just has one Sweet Sixteen run in his career....and that was way back in 1999?
So his point might be right, they still might have a better coach.
You beat me to it... so people who would ya rather have? Mrs. Kiffin or Mrs. Enfield?
Enfield, by a mile.
Speaks for itself. Who would you rather have?
I think the key word is that USC "potentially" has a better coach than UCLA. I'm not a fan of the Alford hire, but he has built solid recruiting ties in SoCal and won a tough conference, both of which are things that Alford has not done. That said, FGCU plays an entertaining brand of basketball and the visibility is going to help Enfield in SoCal, along with this being the "sexy" hire, in the long run hiring Enfield has much more long term potential than hiring Alford. Just goes to show what having a competent athletic director can do for a school.
Alford's had 4 coaching stops in his career before taking the UCLA job and with the possible exception of Iowa, he's done a solid job at the other 3.
The first stop was Manchester, Division 3. They went 4-16 his first year. By the time he left after his 4th year they had made 3 straight trips to the d3 ncaa tourney and were 31-1 and ncaa runner-up in his 4th year.
Southwest Missouri St: stayed there 4 years. In his 4th year they made the sweet 16. He left for Iowa after that. They haven't been to the ncaa tourney since.
New Mexico: in 6 years there he won 4 conference titles and made 3 ncaa tourney appearances.
I don't know if he's going to set the world on fire at UCLA but I doubt he's going to bomb either.
NCAA Tournament wins since 2008
Laura Hoke and Kathleen Beilein uber alles. (The fact that their respective husbands chose them speaks volumes)
Well this is weird.
Well this is weird.
Apparently his wife told him that if he took the USC job (for more $$$$ of course) she'd be waiting for him each night he got home, dressed like a USC Song Girl...
I don't blame him for moving on and taking more money. He's got to get the capital to start up his tennis academy somehow.
he's making way more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
This is definitely not about the money. He doesn't need it. Some guys just want to be on the big stage.
The rumors about him being rich from owning a company or whatever were false.
do you guys believe it's all about the lucrative or the move was just because USC is more of the big stage.
Why do so many people think that just because someone has money they are no longer making their decisions based on money?
that's what i thought
Can't fault him. Best player Sherwood Brown is a senior. Was a great story and I wish the best for those FGCU kids.
I dont understand why Minnesota didn't hire him.
I found out how to change my name woot!
If you don't mind
to play his style of basketball. USC will be fun to watch.
would be fun to watch.
Can't fault him, but USC sure seems like a dead end basketball job.
I don't see why it has to be. It has the same perks that some of their other sports have when it comes to recruiting. They just need someone to come in there and consistently do the right thing (aka not get in trouble) along with being a decent basketball coach. It's like most schools, except most schools aren't in LA.
In college basketball, I don't think any major-conference gig is a dead end job. Certainly not one in Los Angeles.
He could have had a lot better job if he had waited. Unless UCLA gets the banhammer for recruiting violations, USC will always be under their shadow in LA. It will be like football in reverse: USC will get only the area players that UCLA doesn't want.
I'm sure a lot of really cool jobs will open up next year, and he would have been on everyone's "hot list." It's still a decent move, and a huge pay raise, but it could have been a lot more in a year.
It's crazy to think bigger jobs would be out there for Enfield if FGCU took a step or two back next season. Would he even have been considered for a major job two weeks ago? Succeeding at USC will put him in line for better jobs.
In one respect, Enfield fits the prevailing profile of more recent USC basketball coaches in that part of his resume contains NBA experience, but it also seems like a bet on the style and attitude of Enfield, and that's completely fine for a school that was short on obvious choices to replace O'Neill. I don't fault Pat Haden for wanting to go in the direction of youth and energy at USC, and I would think that Enfield could find a sufficient pool of recruits perfect for his game out there as well, and the massive upgrade in available resources at USC won't hurt either. If USC wanted to change the perception of its basketball program, this is a good start, I think.
Not surprising. Go back to his pre game Florida interview with Craig Sager. Sager asked him why his house was for sale. He mumbled something about the wife's commute to pick up their children.
IIRC, his wife put her modeling career on hold to move to Ft Myers with him for his chance to start a coaching career. Maybe this move benefits Enfield and his wife because it will be much easier for her to get back into her career in LA.
hope he is not looking for another job in 5-6 years... one good year doesn't always equal success. best of luck to him, hope he is successful out there.
He could be looking for a job in 5-6 years from FGCU, or he could be looking for a job with all that USC $$$ in the bank.
Hiring a coach on the basis of a grand total of two successful games screams desperation to me. That said
A) it's USC, they probably should be desperate
B) our conference has one team that hired an assistant and one that is in the process of shutting itself, so...
I can't believe people are criticizing this guy for taking a million dollar raise. He took this program probably as far as it can go. They won't be able to compete with UF, FSU, and Miami in the long run. They don't have the resources and alumni/booster base to do so.
This hire makes total sense for USC/Haden. Haden is a cerebral guy so it figures he'd be enamored with a Hopkins man. Also, Enfield has shown the ability to take a fledgling, moribund program and turn it into a winner in a short time. Time will tell whether or not he can do it against the big boys.
I'm not entirely sure about that. I'd say Gonzaga is more of a basketball power in Washington than UW or WSU and it's not like Miami or FSU would really present scary competition(UF a different matter). If he wanted to stay and build on his success he'd have a chance to do something at FGCU, that said it's a lot easier to do that at USC and if he's not necessarily tied to FGCU or isn't entirely happy lviing there, then sticking around has a lower potential payoff and it's hard to blame him for that. Still I wonder if even a million dollar raise is effectively a paycut when he's moving to a higher cost of living area and his tax bill has probably shot through the roof.
Winning at FGCU would be more like winning at Eastern Washington than winning at Gonzaga. Not only is FGCU below the big three in the pecking order, they're also below USF and UCF, and possibly below FIU and FAU. I imagine the ceiling at FGCU is a consistent tourny entrant as a 14-16 seed and likely never replicating this year's sweet 16.
By the time the State of California gets done taxing him, he'll probably be making less than he was at FCGU....
Would have been insane. VCU is like Harvard compared to FGCU. They are in a crap conference and have only had students for like 15 years.... He had to make a move, that is how these things work. Good for him and his family. Those kids at FGCU had a great few days this March, but they were even lucky to be there...
and hardly anyone would have heard of him if his team hadn't been the upset winner of the Atlantic Sun Conference Tournament as the #2 seed. Still not a huge upset put an upset none the less.
Doubt FGCU makes the tourny without the auto-bid.
This is a huge roll of the dice by USC. Enfield has two years of head coaching experience. The first year he went 15-17. So they are basically hiring him because of this one season alone - actually, probably just because of one tourney run, with a team that I assume was recruited mostly by his predecessor (Enfield was an assistant at FSU two years ago).