OT - And Now Adrian Peterson in Trouble

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Well both Deadspin and TMZ reporting AP is in trouble so in today's day and age these are actually quite legitimate sites for breaking news.  Sounds like he hit his 11 year son with a switch. TMZ with the more inflammotry "child abuse" headline of course.

Fun times at NFL HQ.

Prepare for the litany of social media backlash... "back in my day a good switching was fine..."

Minnesota Vikings superstar Adrian Peterson has been indicted for child abuse in North Montgomery County, TX ... TMZ Sports has learned.   Sources connected to Peterson tell us ... the alleged victim is a male child from Minnesota who was visiting Adrian back in May at AP's home in Texas. 

We're told the child returned home to his mother in Minn. who noticed injuries and took the child to a doctor. A short time later, the doctor contacted authorities in Texas to report Adrian. 

Child Protective Services confirms they are working on a case involving Peterson and say the alleged victim is an 11-year-old boy. 

Peterson was indicted in Montgomery County for reckless or negligent injury to a child, this according to MyFOX Houston 26. 

Jay Glazer adds that Peterson has been cooperating with law enforcement, and will now have to turn himself in to authorities. Rapaport notes that Peterson testified before a grand jury weeks ago.
 

Deadspin.

TMZ.

Gitback

September 12th, 2014 at 6:15 PM ^

If an adult human being were to strike another adult human being violently with an object it would be an assault under any and all circumstances.  "I'm related to him" or "it's okay, I'm charged with his wellbeing" would not be a valid defense.  Our sensibilities are now "adjusting" or "evolving" ...whatever you prefer... to say "wait a sec, if that's true for an adult under any and all circumstances, how is that not also true for a child?"

 Under this mindset, being a child of someone else's doesn't mean you "belong" to that person in a manner which somehow circumvents the fundamental right of one human being to not be assaulted by another.  It's the idea that age shouldn't be determinant as to when an assault is acceptable in society and when it is not, as there are no"degrees" of acceptance; although there are apparently degrees of outrage, judging by the Ray Rice deal.

LSAClassOf2000

September 12th, 2014 at 7:49 PM ^

I am going to politely disagree with this - if you suspect that something like what AP has done to his kid is going on (i.e., straight up abuse), that IS your business and as a fellow human being interested in the welfare of the community at large, you should bring such things to the attention of the right people. I really don't care how others were raised, but that is NOT how you teach anyone (a child or an adult really, because modeling violence has done SO much for people) a "lesson" or, to extend this thought, to function well in society, no matter anyone's protestations that they "turned out OK". 

nowayman

September 12th, 2014 at 10:14 PM ^

To a certain extent, however, I agree with the poster you disagreed with (but perhaps I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt where I shouldn't be).  I'm writing this on the assumption that he's talking about non abusive physical child discipline and that when he said "they're not the same" he was talking about non abusive child discipline being equated with assault and battery.  

Bear in mind that I think everything you said just now, LSA, is correct.  From what I can tell, what AD did is just flat out abuse and we, as a society, have a duty to stop him or any parent from doing something similar.  A duty, not a choice.  A moral (if anything can be) imperative to put a stop to behavior like that.  

However, where abuse isn't involved, society should take a hike when it comes to raising a kid.  There are very obvious exceptions, of course.  As you stated child abuse but also, neglect, education when the parent opts for none at all, stuff like that.  

Whether to use corporal punishment (in a manner that isn't abuse.  Bruising, scars, blood are waaay past what should be acceptable) should be left up to the parent.  

When I say corporal punishment, I'm talking about a swat on the rump.  

Now everyone probably thinks I'm writing this because I'm in favor of corporal punishment, I'm actually not.  I don't think it's needed to raise a kid.  I sure as heck don't think what AD did was anything but abuse, either.  

I wrote this because 1) I was bored and 2) I believe that certain areas should be beyond the reach of society and that was all nate was trying to say.  I think he just said it poorly.  

Since I'm not nate, though, who knows.  

My next book will be out tomorrow after the game.  

wbpbrian

September 12th, 2014 at 6:28 PM ^

me to go get my switch and bring it back to him. Then I would get torn up with the switch that left welps so I know how the kid feels. It is painful. Hard to sit down for a couple of days.

Rodriguesqe

September 12th, 2014 at 7:10 PM ^

peterson seems like one of the 'good guys' in the nfl but this and last year's incident where his kid died... not by his hand but it was rather apparent he was not a real father to his kid.

nfl needs to get out of the morality business.  they want a squeeky clean image but doesnt have the product to back it up. what rice and peterson did was wrong, but the term 'can of worms' comes to mind.

ndscott50

September 12th, 2014 at 7:23 PM ^

The number of people who don't seem to see the difference between a spanking and flying off the handle and beating the hell out if a four year old with a stick is disturbing.

MikeCohodes

September 12th, 2014 at 7:26 PM ^

It's one thing to spank your child, it's another to use a weapon to do so. Had another person done this to AP's kid, that person would've been arrested for assault. If this is what your kid looks like after you "discipline" him, then you're doing it wrong.

That's AP's kid's leg. Note the multiple red marks all over the legs. This is not spanking, this is whipping. AP should join Ray Rice on the indefinitely suspended list.

And to people who say "well, in my parent's/grandparent's day, this was ok" I say you know what else was ok back then? Jim Crow laws. Times change, society evolves. 

This is child abuse, pure and simple. If anyone taking care of my son ever left marks on him like that, they better hope the cops get to them first before I do.

JTrain

September 12th, 2014 at 7:51 PM ^

Man. Tough call here. I do agree that it is ok to spank sometimes. I'm sure I will get negg'd to hell and back for saying that. But, child rearing, a lot like coaching, is SO individualized. AP oughtta know tho that if you push that envelope even a little to far in this day and age.....you can put yourself in a very bad place.
The thing is, he was probably trying to teach his son a lesson the way he was taught lessons. We learn from our parents don't we??
I don't think he needed to use a switch. His bare hand would've done the job and probably kept him out of trouble.


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Never

September 12th, 2014 at 8:22 PM ^

"We learn from our parents don't we?"

Yep. I'm wagering this explains his seeming nonchalance ("it was just a whoopin'"). It's also what we call a "buss ass" in Jamaica; mother left welts on my legs with a belt on several occasions. Grandparents would use a belt as well. Welts lasted several days. Cannot recall a switch being used, but definitely know many who have been on the receiving end of one. Guess it's difficult to explain the thinking behind it; I spanked my son with a belt as well...at first. Ultimately questioned the effectiveness of this particular type of punishment, did quite a bit of research on it, and haven't done it since.

Wendyk5

September 13th, 2014 at 12:48 PM ^

You hit the nail on the head - we learn from our parents, don't we? We can learn to be tough without raising a hand, and to teach our kids not to fear us, but to fear doing something wrong. That's not a bad thing to fear. But I would hate it if my kids feared me or my husband. My kids trust me and come to me when they have problems. I don't know if they would do that if they were scared I might get mad and whack them. 

SalvatoreQuattro

September 12th, 2014 at 7:59 PM ^

He did not once hit his kids. All of his kids turned out to be upstanding citizens. My dad slapped me once and he instantly regretted it. He was and still is not a believer in corporal punishment. 

 

I had an argument this week about whippings with my co-workers. Most believe in parenting-by-fear. I found that to be disturbing.

ndscott50

September 12th, 2014 at 8:27 PM ^

There are lines in both sides. Your implication that any parent who spanks their kid occasionally is parenting by fear (and by implication bad parents) is self righteous BS. On the other side you have parents who won't discipline their child at more than a whisper and won't even touch their kids (like grab them and sit them down) . And yes I am talking to you, parents of four year old Noah, who was literally climbing on the back of my seat on a four hour flight from Miami to Denver last week. Also AP was way over the line and should be punished

SalvatoreQuattro

September 12th, 2014 at 11:43 PM ^

Trotting out a lazy response of  accusing me of self-righteousness ignores the fact that at the core of striking a child is fear. You are hitting the child to in order to associate the bad act with a painful response from you. It is the FEAR of said parental reaction that is being ingrained into the child's psyche.

Is it "bad parenting" to spank a child? No.But I do think that society has to find better ways of disciplining a child.

 

ndscott50

September 13th, 2014 at 1:13 AM ^

From the last two sentences was that the co workers primary parenting approach was fear because they were ok with spanking. That strikes me as condescending and wrong. I would see spanking as a consequence of bad behavior. If it is used as the primary and most common consequence I could see your point. In my experience most parents use a range of consequences (grounding, loss of privileges, time out, and in rare cases spanking) to discourage bad behavior. The opposite side of that is reward and encouragement for good behavior.
Regarding your point on fear parenting wouldn't kids also fear losing tv or the I-pad for a day? So if you use that as a punishment are you parenting by fear or are you establishing consequences for actions? It would be great if you could correct all behavior by sitting down with your kids, discussing their choices and indicating where you were disappointed with them. Of course successful parenting is far more complicated then that. I understand deciding that you will not spank your children. At the same time your statement implies that parents who do spank are lazy, cruel and just parenting by fear. I don't think that is an accurate description of most parents who spank.

Wendyk5

September 13th, 2014 at 10:55 AM ^

Not only is it parenting by fear, but it perpetuates violence as a way to solve problems. Are we all not teaching our kids not to hit people? How can a parent say, "Don't hit your brother!" and then go and hit the kid himself? How is this teaching him not to hit? Modeling our behavior is the number one way our kids learn how to behave themselves. I'm curious about all these people who hit their kids: do they give boys and girls equal treatment? 

goblue81

September 12th, 2014 at 9:31 PM ^

At first when I just read the charges, I thought to myself oh boy here we go again - a parent getting in trouble for disciplining their kid.  I mean my parents whipped my ass just like most of you have stated.  Go pick out the tree branch yourself and prepare yourself.

HOWEVER, the pictures tell a totally different story.  I was evil little bastard growing up and got (and deserved) some amazing ass whoopings.  BUT, I never had open wounds weeks later from the "beating".  The worst I ever got it was with an extension cord.  I couldn't sit for dinner, but I didn't need to visit an ER either.  And, I didn't have open wounds that day nor a week later.

This will probably not end very well for AP.  The pictures tell a story of waaaay too much force being used against a 4 year old.  I know we need to let the legal system sort things out, but those pictures are bad - really bad for AP's case.  I just hope the kid is ok and doesn't get dragged into the media.  He's obviously suffered enough as is.

GoBLUinTX

September 12th, 2014 at 9:14 PM ^

What Adrian Peterson laid on his son was no boating accident, that was outright child abuse.  Dude has issues and ought to see some hard time while he gets counseling.

 

goblue1213

September 12th, 2014 at 9:24 PM ^

My fantasy team is screwed for the year. But in a relevant note, no one needs to hit their kid hard enough to open wounds. The NFL pr company will be earning their money for the next year

MechE

September 12th, 2014 at 10:31 PM ^

Additionally, Peterson would stuff leaves in his son's mouth while beating him and brags in a text message about "tearing that butt up".

 

http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/09/12/exclusive-details-on-adrian-pete…

 

The child also alleges that AP struck him in the face, but testimony from children is often unreliable.

 

Edit: But it's ok because my pappy used to tell me to fetch the switch that he would beat me with when we lived on the farm!

Needs

September 12th, 2014 at 10:51 PM ^

Here's latest report. This is not discipline, it's domestic violence. If true, he should be out for 6 games according to the nfl's new policy and face significant criminal sanction. "The beating allegedly resulted in numerous injuries to the child, including cuts and bruises to the child's back, buttocks, ankles, legs and scrotum, along with defensive wounds to the child's hands. Peterson then texted the boy's mother, saying that one wound in particular would make her "mad at me about his leg. I got kinda good wit the tail end of the switch." Peterson also allegedly said via text message to the child's mother that he "felt bad after the fact when I notice the switch was wrapping around hitting I (sic) thigh" and also acknowledged the injury to the child's scrotum in a text message, saying, "Got him in nuts once I noticed. But I felt so bad, n I'm all tearing that butt up when needed! I start putting them in timeout. N save the whooping for needed memories!" In further text messages, Peterson allegedly said, "Never do I go overboard! But all my kids will know, hey daddy has the biggie heart but don't play no games when it comes to acting right." According to police reports, the child, however, had a slightly different story, telling authorities that "Daddy Peterson hit me on my face." The child also expressed worry that Peterson would punch him in the face if the child reported the incident to authorities. He also said that he had been hit by a belt and that "there are a lot of belts in Daddy's closet." He added that Peterson put leaves in his mouth when he was being hit with the switch while his pants were down. The child told his mother that Peterson "likes belts and switches" and "has a whooping room."" http://deadspin.com/report-adrian-peterson-indicted-in-child-injury-cas…

Wendyk5

September 13th, 2014 at 12:02 AM ^

Anyone who condones hitting a child in any way is barbaric. And to do it under the guise of "teaching a lesson" is dishonest. Is there no other way to teach a lesson? I'm pretty disheartened to hear that people still think hitting their children is an appropriate punishment. 

Gucci Mane

September 13th, 2014 at 2:22 AM ^

It's disheartening to hear someone so closed minded. In my opinion their is no correct way to discipline a child. Everyone responds to things differently, so it's up to the parents to utilize the most effective method's for their particular child.

Needs

September 13th, 2014 at 10:16 AM ^

There may be reasonable disputes about low level corporal punishment. If you are inflicting real injury on a child, however, injury that leaves wounds still open a week later, injury that leads you to text things to the other parent like "felt bad after the fact when I notice the switch was wrapping around hitting I (sic) thigh" and "Got him in nuts once I noticed. But I felt so bad, n I'm all tearing that butt up when needed!" you're not disciplining your child. You're violently lashing out at him because you're angry or frustrated.  

Proper discipline requires self-discipline and self- control. Isn't that what we're trying to convey as parents? Peterson obviously lacked self-discipline and lost control of his actions if he injured a 4 year old to that extent. A 4 year old! There's no way this kind of beating could be instructional. This was domestic violence. 

Wendyk5

September 13th, 2014 at 9:44 AM ^

Hitting a child as a way to teach a lesson teaches him or her that hitting or other violent actions is a good way to get your point across. It instills fear more than it teaches.You can be tough on children without raising a hand, and instill discipline and respect, which I think is what we all want. Hitting is just a way for the hitter to release anger on the person he's angry at. If you think about it that way, it's actually pretty selfish.