If they are able to get the game in, we will see Rick Porcello match up against Matt Harrison. Both had pretty mediocre regular seasons, and both have pitched decently in the playoffs so far. Also, Adrian Beltre, Delmon Young, and V-Mart are all slated to play.
OT: ALCS Game 4 Open Thread
Estimated start is 519
This delay works out really well.
does anyone know if there is a stream available?
Let's say the weather doesn't cooperate and they have to cancel tonight's game. Would they just play this tomorrow and bump game 5 to Friday, or would they play a doubleheader tomorrow? I've never seen a series have two games postponed.
No way it gets postponed though, we have all night to play and it supposed to stop raining within the hour anyway.
Everything will get bumped back a day in Detroit. They will lose the off day and play game 6 and 7 as currently scheduled.
And JV plays game 4...
never ever see a playoff double header.
Please come back after we play.
Just announced they have pushed start time back to 5:45pm
I'm feeling a 2006 where the Tigers make the World Series and the Wolverines are in the top 5.
630 start time
Sparty reaction to Michigan being mentioned:
Six up, six down for Porcello. Looking good so far.
It's funny looking at all the laptops in my lecture hall - about half of the people have Gamecast up on their screens.
These texas guys just look like a team of assholes with attitudes. Just makes me wanna beat them more. Am I alone in this feeling?
Wooo, Porcello is through 3 innings with just 1 hit and 5 K's. Let's give him some support boys!
continuing his personal vendeta against all baseballs
Killed that ball. That thing hit the wall in center on a line. Too bad VMART's didn't get down. 2-0 Tigs. Lets go Ricky!
That was close!
Porcello has been great. Maybe even better than Fister was last night. But we''ll see about that after the rest of the game.
Double play. Forcing ground balls - Porcello doing what he does best.
just got back from class to see rick turn a big double play.
Pretty sure he intended to go to santi and airmailed him and just happened to hit jhonny there though.
No before the play, he nodded at Jhonny and I'm pretty sure that meant if there's a ground ball, he's going to Jhonny. It just looked like he meant to throw it to Santiago because he was almost at the bag.
"Dora The Explorer" has been moved to the low-definition TV in the living room.
I may now watch the game.
there's the porcello we know giving up 3 runs and an error.
Odds against us now up against the Texas bullpen down a run. Let's see what we're made of here.
Lets go V Mart time to move Cabby over at least!
Delmon and Alex, shame on you.
the bats are dead...cant get any hits, same as gms 1 & 2.
LET'S GO TIGERS! GET SOME RUNS HERE!!!!
Wow, was that crazy or what that balls leaving Albequerque in there? Was it crazy balls? It worked! Based loaded and no one scores. Still 3-2
I'm going to be sick if we lose this game because of a error on a pickoff. Please don't let me be sick Tigers.
THANK YOU INGE!!!
HOLY FUCK INGE REDEMPTION!!!!
'Inge doesn't hit many homeruns anymore'. I just got this good feeling. Sweet redemption for Inge. Sweet redemption.
Man I love that guy. Pure grit
Please for the love of God whatever pitcher comes into the game just get a 1-2-3 inning so we can get the offense back out there.
Anybody know what his forearm tats say?
"poor life decisions"
I hate those things.
Names of his two sons. Tyler is one of 'em, don't know the other name.
Then get it in the eigth and close it out in the ninth. Pure blitzkrieg.
Tim McCarver is on his game.
Inge's tats are his kid's names.
Chase and Tyler
Jhonny with a little redemption of his own.
Santiago struck out on that same pitch last inning
Make them pay Victor!
Fly ball should score him. Come on!!!! Take more than three pitches
Way to hustle Big Fella.
He is such a lazy baserunner... It really irritates me sometimes. Atleast he didn't stop in the base path like last night
you don't think cabrera was trying his best to score? he's not a fast man, but i am sure that he ran his fastest at that moment. he wants to win as much as anyone.
coaches have to put him in a position to succeed.
You just watched the man run you have to know that's nowhere near far enough out...
You got to be kidding me.
Was he told to run?
If we can get out of this half inning unscathed...I'm calling an Avila walkoff.
Benoit is dealing tonight (just picked off cruz stealing 2nd to end the inning) and we still have Valverde in the bullpen. The Tigs offense is going to blow up in either the bot 9th or 10th to end the game.
This would be a good inning to trot a run across.
Come on sneaky power!
Time for santiago to be the hero
We need to get atleast one baserunner on so Cabrera gets an at bat.
Valverde has so many OCD mannerisms. Interesting to watch.
Not a good jump. God damn it. Good teams don't give games away like this.
Watching Ryan Raburn bat in the playoffs hurts my soul.
to lose the ALCS?
More like tigers offense choked
Sinking feeling about this series....
I don't question Leyland much, but I don't get why you intentionally walk right there.
very bad base running calls
walking a gimpy batter to get to the two best clutch hitters?
The pick-off sequence is a loser move. Just is. Then Jackson getting caught stealing with Cabrera coming up was ridiculous. Why do you want to steal a base so badly there again? So that you're going even though you've gotten a ridiculously poor jump? Do we have that much confidence in Raburn?!
Sending Cabrera on that was also just a fucking absurdity. Come on.
No, you steal that base so that Raburn has a chance to win it. You can't sacrifice him over because then they walk Cabrera. It wasn't a terrible call, just a perfectly executed throw and catch.
We're losing the series to a much better team, we don't need to start playing the blame game.
I don't want to risk not getting the best hitter in baseball (or one of) up in that situation so I have a chance to have Ryan Raburn at the plate with RISP. Sorry.
You have to know your team and Jackson just got an awful jump in a clutch situation. Even if he steals the base and Raburn gets out, as he's likely to do, you've again negated Cabrera because there's a base open. Just don't love that call.
Good year Tigers, I don't think they can win three in a row. Can''t be to upset with a trip to the ALCS.
are going to lose because they can not get a cutch hit to save their lives. Couldn't get one in game 1, culdn't get one in game 2 and didn't get one in this game. It is painful to watch.
The pitching was good enough to win.
having Cabrera run to home like that is like Denard pitching out to Molk.
But that was funny.
Tigers would have won already if Justin pitched, based purely on past performance and record likely he would have given up only 2 runs. But Leyland wouldn't risk "getting him hurt" in order to pitch him on three days rest tonight--even though pitchers have done that for 100 years, and there is zero proof that 4 days rest, which only became standard for pitchers roughly 20 years ago, has resulted in either 1- fewer injuries, or 2- improved performance. And Justin was eager to pitch. Pity.
cool, so we lose tomorrow then. I don't think Tiger fans realize that other pitchers need to win too, not just Verlander.
You're blaming starting pitching when it was a tie game in the 8th and there's a guy on third and we don't bring him in?
if Verlander pitched.
All 4 starters only gave up 3 runs each. A healthy lineup, or even a semihealthy lineup and we'd probably have won in 5 or 6.
There's nothing you can do. We win one more game during the season we're probably playing the Yankees right now.
The Morning show guys on 97.1 looked up the stats, and in the postseason guys on 3-days rest have like an ERA over 5.0 and have won like 8 of like 30 games. So even if Verlander pitched well that's one game. There's still Games 5, 6, and 7 that Porcello, Scherzer, and Fister have to win. It won't even be them having to win it so much as our hitting still has to step up
There is no long term evidence that guys on three days rest either 1, are more prone to injury, or 2, are less effective. It's not true. I do agree that lack of clutch hitting and injuries are a huge issue, but I would have much rather taken my chance, a good chance in fact, of Verlander giving up say 1 run over 8 or 9 innings and not even needing more hitting tonight.
Fucking worst baserunning decisions in the history of baseball. Awful. Adios, Tigers. It was good while it lasted.
the error in the 5th inning really hurt us.
Its not the pitching, it's the old fucks decisions
really, I feel like a Rays fan.
1) great pitching
2) batters that don't show up in clutch
3) bizzaro coaching calls
I think big V wins but then to sweep Texas at home - no way.
We're playing with our 5th and 6th best outfielders. Our DH is clearly hurt and gutting it out. Avila is worn out. When Delmon's in the game he's still obviously struggling. It sucks, but that's what happened.
Hopefully we can take the Maggs and Penny money and go get one more big bat, hopefully a Reyes or Rollins (if the Phils don't resign him). If Illitch wants to win a World Series, next year is the chance. We've got the best pitching staff in the AL. Porcello's only going to get better.
In my mind there's 4 things that stand out.
1: Why did Cabrera try to go home? He doesn't have the speed that a guy like Jackson has, and the ball wasn't hit way deep right field
2: Why have Jackson steal? I understand we want him in scoring position for if Miggy comes up, but I think you have to trust Miggy and V-Mart together to drive 1 run in
3: Why pitch Valverde? I know he started off well, but in non-save situations he's absolutely god awful horrible
4: The big one, why walk Beltre? Not only does that put you up against a more dangerous batter, but it also guarantees Cruz a shot at bat. Beltre had no hits in the game, a bum knee, and would probably be an out
1. You absolutely send Cabrera. The ball was deep enough for an average speed guy to score. Cabrera is not average speed, but you still force them to make a good throw. A perfect throw was made. I'd say that throw is made in time 70% of the time. With 2 outs you're looking at a 30% chance of scoring right there or you're hoping for a basehit the next guy up (25%?)
2. Stealing gave Raburn a chance to win it. With Cabrera behind Raburn, they'd be forced to give Raburn something really good to hit. He's been hot, so give him the chance.
3. Who else do you throw? Schlereth or Coke or Perry? Go with the horses that got you there.
4. I'm 50-50. There's reasons to both philosophies. In situations like this, I trust that the Tigers made the decision with much more information (advanced scouting) than I have to critique the situation. You set up the DP and away you go.
I want to risk the prospect of Cabrera not having a chance to win it for Raburn. Not sure about that. I want Cabrera up there.
Also if you're going to steal at least get a good jump. That was awful.
Finally, I don't agree that you send Cabrera home there. The RF got right behind that thing and it would have be an atrocious play to not get him out there. He didn't need a perfect throw; he needed a meh throw.
The decision for Miggy to tag and go and Jackson to steal make perfect sense. Not really anything to discuss there. As far as keeping Valverde in, I was pretty shocked they left him in after Napoli's hit. The writing was on the wall that things were going to get messy after that.
And the decision to intentionally walk Beltre was the worst decision any manager has made thus far this postseason. Beltre was not only gimpy but had been offensively ineffective tonight. On top of that, unless there was a double play, Cruz would get an at bat. Why you would put yourself in a situation to face him after the series he's having is beyond me. Leyland messed up on that call.
at least we have a big Michigan win this weekend to look forward to.
35-17 Michigan. Lock it.
Possible suicide watch for any Michigan/Detroit fans.
Well,it's not impossible to come back down 3 games to 1..But let's face it, it's over....And while Texas is a great team I can't help but feel Jimmy Smokes got out managed again ........Bright side,Lions,Wolverines,Red Wings....Still alot to cheer for...
What does the alot have to do with Michigan sports?
I know it's after the fact, but with Cabrera tagging up and going home, what are your alternatives in that scenario? I was upset when it first happened too, but if you think about it, sending Cabrera was definitely the right call. If you don't send him, you've got 2 outs with Avila up. At that point, he has to get a base hit to score Cabrera. By sending Cabrera on the flyball, you're forcing Cruz to make a perfect throw. Do you think the chances of Avila getting a hit were better than Cruz making a perfect throw? You're lying to yourself if you say yes.
With pitching Valverde, I also think that was the right call. Is there anybody else you can depend on to get outs? I was thinking maybe Coke, but I don't think he's any better than Valverde. He threw 8 pitches in the 10th, so I had no qualms with him going in for the 11th. The fact that Valverde pitched is more a testament to the lack of talent in our bullpen than anything else. We've got Benoit and Valverde who we can depend on, and that's about it.
I agree with those who have said walking Beltre was a mistake. I can see the rationale behind it (wanting to set up a DP), but take your outs when you can. Beltre was as close to a sure out as anybody in their lineup.
I also take up issue with having Porcello throw over to first so many times in the 6th, when Andrus was on base. With 2 outs, you've got to focus on the batter. Granted, Andrus has great speed, so you don't want to just give him second base, but there's no need to be throwing over/stepping off 5 or 6 times. The announcers said the calls for those were coming from the dugout, and if that's true, then that one falls on Leyland.
The call for Jackson to steal in the 9th was also the correct call. Jackson just got a bad jump. When he realized he didn't have a good start, he should have stopped and gone back to first.
Finally, it was also the absolutely correct decision to have Porcello pitch this game. He was stellar. He got screwed by bad defense (Young misplaying the ball in the corner in the 6th) and bad coaching (being told to throw over to first so many times), but other than that, he was throwing strikes, hitting his spots, mixing up his pitches and changing speeds. I think that may have been his best outing of the year. And because of that, we now have Verlander tonight.
Rather than send Cabrera home in the bottom of the 8th, why not pinch run for him with 1 out and Young up? Put Don Kelly in, and if the ball makes it out of the infield, you go up heading into the 9th with Valverde coming in for the save. Kelly will likely come in soon defensively anyway, and with Cabrera just being up, you're not giving anything up for a couple of innings if it heads to extras.
If you keep making insightful posts like this one, you'll be a welcome addition here, ogden.