OT: "After Settlement, Florida State Shows Sympathy for Victim: Itself"

Submitted by FauxMo on

The thread title basically says it all. But here is the link if you want to read the story (which I had not seen posted or mentioned here):

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/30/sports/ncaafootball/florida-state-pro…

 

The article is a mix of basic facts about the case and the settlement, but with a pretty strong editorial slant destroying FSU. The fact that the president of the university has taken the stance he has - which is basically, "we did nothing wrong at all, but are settling to avoid more frivolous litigation expenses" (which is total BS, as they are being covered by boosters anyway) - is pretty atrocious. If you needed to dislike FSU and/or Jameis Winston more, this may help!

MGoBoard

Wolvie3758

February 4th, 2016 at 5:51 PM ^

is astounding...NOW they sympathy for the victim?...This was the plan all along...Wait till they win their NC wait until hes gone then come clean...If he didnt do anything wrong WHY SETTLE?...Theirs alot about FSU that just Stinks its obvious they will do pretty much anything to protect athletes in Talahasse and that includes their supporters in the Police Dept..The FSU administration KNOWINGLY protected a rapist....

Joined: 12/12/2010

MGoPoints: 6338

FauxMo

February 4th, 2016 at 6:24 PM ^

No doubt. But after a case that was clearly botched and covered up, you'd think the guy would at least be a bit more contrite when discussing it. How about, "we just want to put this unfortunate incident behind us, pursue our strategies for preventing it in the future, and move on." Why be a douche about the potential victim in the case, who by all accounts got run off campus?

Joined: 06/17/2010

MGoPoints: 137521

Erik_in_Dayton

February 4th, 2016 at 6:13 PM ^

...you can't assume a settlement is a sign of guilt. There can be many reasons to settle. That said, I don't mean this as a comment on this specific matter. I haven't followed it closely enough to have an opinion. EDIT: beaten to the punch by Hannibal, whose network show was canceled all too soon.

Joined: 12/03/2008

MGoPoints: 58983

BursleyBaitsBus

February 4th, 2016 at 6:07 PM ^

Meh. After reading into the whole fiasco and the multiple changing stories regarding their police department and Kinsman, I've come to the conclusion that nobody knows what really happened and the more this stays out of the headlines the better it is for FSU. 

Winston has a pending lawsuit against Kinsman, and if he wins that lawsuit, then I think that says more about who was right at the end of the day. 

Joined: 01/20/2016

MGoPoints: 12434

BursleyBaitsBus

February 4th, 2016 at 8:58 PM ^

If there's a settlement in that one, then it's just that another settlement. There's nothing to conclude. If Winston's lawyers win the case outright, then I think that does say something or vice versa. 

Joined: 01/20/2016

MGoPoints: 12434

Tater

February 5th, 2016 at 1:52 AM ^

I agree: none of us will ever know what happened.  While the Kinsman side was hammered into the public consciousness by the media, nobody bothered with Winston's side.  According to three people who lived either with him or in his building, Kinsman was "seeing" Winston for about three months and only decided it was "assault" when Winston refused to leave his GF for her.

Winston was a pig and an idiot, but that doesn't necessarily mean he committed any sexual assault.  The fact that he wasn't prosecuted pretty much says everything about the actual evidence in the case.  If the prosecutors thought they had a chance of winning, they would have pressed charges.  

I just wish she would take her money and disappear.

Joined: 08/13/2008

MGoPoints: 30584

MichiganMan14

February 4th, 2016 at 7:00 PM ^

Some of you guys want him to be guilty so bad it's sickening. Rape is THE worst crime ever. It was proven to have not happened several times over. Maybe if you checked into the accuser a tad more...it would make sense to you. Women lie about rape. An allegation is an allegation until proven otherwise. Everyone who jumped the gun on this should be ashamed of themselves. You're essentially hoping and convincing yourself of a heinous crime happening when it didnt.

Joined: 02/21/2012

MGoPoints: 19111

MaizeRage89

February 4th, 2016 at 7:14 PM ^

I was accused of it when I was 18 and a senior in high school. Was at a party and took a girl upstairs to obviously have sex however she said no half way through. We both put on our clothes and I've never seen her since. Back drop of the story, I was drunk and she was high. She left the party walked to a neighbors house and said she was rapped. Only reason why I wasn't arrested and hand cuffed after they cops picked her up was because my father was a cop. Once she came down from her high ( 3 hours later) she cried and said it was a mistake and nothing happened. I still think it's crazy how she could have ruined my life if she stayed true to her lie

Joined: 05/04/2009

MGoPoints: 1631

gwkrlghl

February 4th, 2016 at 8:58 PM ^

I had a buddy back in 10th grade who was falsely accused. Actually knew him and his girlfriend through youth group believe it or not. They had sex once and she was worried she was pregnant so she cried rape. They went to court and the whole ordeal carried on for like a year and he was dragged through the mud before she finally admitted that she lied (which everyone who knew him and who knew her knew was the case from the start)

She got off with no punishment as far as I know but he was denied admission from a few christian colleges he wanted to go to because he had 'accused of rape' hanging over his head when he applied. Ended up going to a junior college and lost track of him after that. So yeah, you can ruin someone's life in a hurry.

TL;DR - don't say someone raped you if they didn't

Joined: 04/13/2012

MGoPoints: 72

MichiganMan14

February 4th, 2016 at 6:57 PM ^

To all of the facts. I know it's been enjoying vogue to do the whole "FSU is bad and comprised of heathens" thing...but it's been inaccurate from inception. This girl lied. She was found to have agregious inconsistencies over and over again in multiple court procedings. She was found with multiple semen samples in her at the time. She was a self proclaimed cleat chaser. She continued to go to games after the alleged incident posting about "hot"football players. She originally described the man she was with on the night she alleged the crime as 5ft9 with dreads and about 180 lbs. Not close to 6ft5 230. Let's stop with this already because it's old tired and been run through the mud by ESPN, who has an ulterior motive to slander FSU. (Major threat to SEC supremacy and conversely. ..their pockets) The misinformation has been run with for way to long and of course the university ends up settling, because what choice do they have? The sad part of this deal is that it reinforces the incentive to run with a lie. The girl lied and is getting paid. It's a damn travesty. Shameful.

Joined: 02/21/2012

MGoPoints: 19111

ndekett

February 4th, 2016 at 7:08 PM ^

Whether or not she was a Jersey chaser or not or whether or not she thought a lot of guys are hot is immaterial to a person's right to consent to sexual activity. I can appreciate factual arguments over real testimony, but painting a woman as a slut does not relate in any way to to whether she was raped. You shouldn't discredit yourself with a tired slut-shaming bit.

Joined: 08/24/2012

MGoPoints: 1122

Valar Morghulis

February 4th, 2016 at 7:59 PM ^

While I can appreciate this being personal given your ties to FSU (I believe you were a corner or defensive back there), you do realize that the people reinforcing the incentive to run with this lie (by settling) is FSU, right? They have the ability and right to stand up for themselves and a former player even if it's a losing situation. They have the financial means to cover it.

FWIW, I agree with the main point you are trying to make about the injustice of it all. I just think settling is somewhat an admission of guilt, especially in this instance when the president starts the "we don't want to lose more money" cry.



Sent from MGoBlog HD for iPhone & iPad

Joined: 06/09/2014

MGoPoints: 400

ndekett

February 4th, 2016 at 7:01 PM ^

It's difficult to prove unequivocal guilt now, especially after the criminal negligence on the part of FSU, but there is virtually zero chance she's making any of this up. Blaming someone for a rape they didn't commit (a local demi-God no less) is a woefully self-torturing way to make money.

Joined: 08/24/2012

MGoPoints: 1122

MichiganMan14

February 4th, 2016 at 8:22 PM ^

Demi-God? The kid was a 4th string qb at the time. So .....no. If the girl was at all found to be credible...there would havebeen formal charges. There never was. You can blame whoever you want and run with whatever you'd like. There were no facts to support the claim and it was found to be bogus. FSU had to eventually pay the girl because that's how our society is setup. If Jimbo believed that the kid committed that crime...he would've been kicked off the team. Just like several star players before him were kicked off. It's really funny to see people rum their mouths with absolutely zero knowledge of the program or how things actually are. TMZ or ESPN writes an article and all the trolls looking for anti-FSU crumbs go crazy...like piranhas in blood tinged water. Come on...do better.

Joined: 02/21/2012

MGoPoints: 19111

FauxMo

February 4th, 2016 at 8:29 PM ^

It's clear you have a strong opinion, but you sound kind of silly right now. Winston was never some no-named-nobody, and you know it. The facts on how the Tallahassee police "investigated" the case are public record, and absurd. And the record of selectively ignoring transgressions involving FSU athletes on that campus has been well documented, in this case and others. No, FSU is not the Boogie Man; lots of schools do this. But to go all-in against a girl who at bare minimum believes she was sexually assaulted is shameful.

Joined: 06/17/2010

MGoPoints: 137521

FidelioHorelick

February 4th, 2016 at 8:48 PM ^

After your done roasting these fools for refusing to believe that it is 100% true she was raped, please make sure you lecture them too on that one Duke case were that one poor woman was so like obviously raped and how ignoring the truth just makes it worse! RAPE ACCUSATIONS ARE ALWAYS TRUE!!!!! 

 

Joined: 10/13/2015

MGoPoints: -99439

FauxMo

February 4th, 2016 at 9:03 PM ^

Ah, ok. So because false reporting happens, rape is a lie! Your logic is truly mind-bending. As a father of a daughter, I hope you take the time to learn about sexual assault prevalence on US college campuses. The stats are sad.

Joined: 06/17/2010

MGoPoints: 137521

FidelioHorelick

February 4th, 2016 at 9:14 PM ^

No, I did not. And it not "false reporting" it is false accusations.

I'm sure the stats are sad, just not in the way you think. No doubt have some handy cooking by a lowered standard to be classified. 

I'm not making light of rape. I am making light of keyboard crusaders like you that just want to feel soo bad for the person making the accusation. 

I know I shouldnt doubt the NYTimes, I mean ever since they nailed that whole Hitler thing they should be beyond contestation. 

Joined: 10/13/2015

MGoPoints: -99439

FauxMo

February 4th, 2016 at 9:55 PM ^

"I'm a pretty knowledgeable fella. Funny how say you'll say nothing just after you said something." Wow, that is awesome irony. It is like you are magically able to disprove something you just said with something you just said! Your intellect is indeed dizzying...

Joined: 06/17/2010

MGoPoints: 137521

MGOTokyo

February 4th, 2016 at 10:32 PM ^

I've hammered into their heads the risks of putting themselves in a dangerous position of being shit-faced drunk and in situations (such as men's rooms) where the risks are high. It's a bad crime but one can lower the risks. What are the stats regarding the involvement of alcohol or drugs?

Joined: 11/20/2014

MGoPoints: 1438

FauxMo

February 4th, 2016 at 10:57 PM ^

You are in the same place I am as a father of a daughter. It is NEVER the woman's "fault' if she gets assaulted. At the same time, a woman can do a great deal to diminish the odds of an assault. That is precisely what I am teaching my daughter; no, wearing a short skirt and flirting doesn't make her to blame, but at some point "blame" is irrelevant. What has actually happened and its consequences are all that matters. So be smart, avoid potential trouble situations, and all will be better off. I hope it works for her...

Joined: 06/17/2010

MGoPoints: 137521

Bando Calrissian

February 4th, 2016 at 8:31 PM ^

Circling the wagons pretty hard here, I see.

Paranoia, victim shaming, deflecting any criticism of FSU... If anything, you're reinforcing the criticisms on the university here. Apparently they incubate the kind of culture in which football players are invincible, and everyone else is either just trying to make a buck or shame the program.

Joined: 07/02/2008

MGoPoints: 68096

Jonesy

February 5th, 2016 at 2:39 AM ^

I hate FSU and dislike Jameis as much as most people and wanted her story to be true because it makes them evil but the more I've read about it the more obviously likely it has become that she is full of shit.

Joined: 03/14/2012

MGoPoints: 10532