OT: Advice for young couples (actually, mostly for guy fans)

Submitted by StephenRKass on

This is way, way OT, and certainly irrelevant to many of you. I feel compelled to give some gentle advice that may be helpful to one or two of the readers here. The reason is the struggle I see in my own daughter's marriage, significantly caused by sports.

I myself have been a Michigan fan for many years, attending games when I can, making it out to several Rose Bowls, and watching Michigan football and basketball games whenever I can catch them. Oh, and obsessively reading mgoblog. So my daughter knows casual fandom.

My daughter was ok with this, and has even been to games with me. However, she didn't really know what she was getting into when she got married to a diehard sports fan. My son-in-law's life revolves around sports. He loves watching games all day Saturday and all day Sunday, along with whatever games are on TV Thursday, Sunday, and Monday night. And basketball games the others nights. He knows tons of stats for the NFL and NBA, and watches all things Green Bay, and goes to Bucks and Brewers games regularly. He watches the WWL, and follows several blogs. And his addiction to sports is breaking up their marriage.

I actually don't blame him:  I think my own daughter was clueless about what it meant to be married to an obsessive sports fan. I can't predict whether or not their marriage will last. Because following sports is so much part of his life, I don't think it is fair to ask him to change. But I also don't know that she is prepared to live life with someone whose every waking moment revolves around sports and cars.

My advice? Just make sure, if you are heavily addicted to sports, that your potential mate really understands how far your addiction goes. And that your mate either shares your addiction, or is fine with doing most things separately. Because if your partner expects to be doing different things with you on the weekends, and you expect your weekend to go mostly to following sports, there is going to be a problem.

Rabbit21

December 18th, 2015 at 11:39 AM ^

Ah, now it's starting to make a little more sense, if she's off on tours and he is used to running things at home by himself without her around then the rules get shifted and it's harder to switch into couple's mode.  Any sort of job you're in when you're gone for a long time (and I experienced this both while I was in the Air Force and in my consulting career) means that your partner has to run the ship at home and things develop an equilibrium in which you become a disruption.  What makes it even worse is that you're not used to communicating on a true day to day basis the same way you do when both people are around a lot.  So instead of developing a back and forth there's a silent expectation from the homebound partner that the partner who is gone will adapt to the rules of the house with no changes to routine and there's a silent expectation on the deployed partner that they will be accomodated when they get back.

There's a reason the rates of divorce in the military are sky-high and to my mind that's one of them, it requires a lot of effort and communication to deal with these issues.  

If he's in the mode where he gets to do what he wants when he wants when she's gone it is hard to downshift out of that, even with good intentions.  From her part, there should be an understanding that her presence is a disruption in a settled life pattern and expecting wholescale disruption is likely unrealistic.  

Again, I feel for your daughter and have been there, being married in the military is really hard.

westwardwolverine

December 18th, 2015 at 2:36 PM ^

Yeah its your son-in-law's fault and HisDudeness nailed it. 

Sports are really just reality TV for men (lots of exceptions, blah blah blah, feminism, some girls like Star Wars, there's that one lady whose a kicker, etc.). Have you ever heard some of the ladies who are obsessed with Real Housewives or the Kardashians? It sounds idiotic to me, but then I realized listening to guys talk about stats and commit watch and being upset because a bunch of people we don't know lost at something that affects us in no way whatsoever is equally stupid when you're looking at it from the outside. 

Sports are just fantasy. Marriage is real life. He needs to figure it out. 

TIMMMAAY

December 18th, 2015 at 4:18 PM ^

Sitting on the couch and watching games all weekend as your wife runs around and does the day to day cleaning, cooking, etc is flat out wrong.

I think you're right in a certain context. What if the wife doesn't work, and the husband works 80 hour weeks? Is it still "flat out wrong" for him to lay around on Saturday watching football? Because I do that every single Saturday during the college football season, and I don't feel like an asshole for doing it at all. Sometimes I'll catch a little grief for it, and sometimes I think she isn't wrong for doing that. However, I work a pretty intense amount of hours most of the time, and that is my decompression time. 

Am I wrong? 

TIMMMAAY

December 18th, 2015 at 6:44 PM ^

Not two jobs. One job, long hours worked mostly at home. I'm involved, just not on football saturdays after 12:00 noon, or whatever time the Michigan game starts. 

edit: we're literally talking about 12 Saturday's a year. And even then it's not the entire day. 

Jonesy

December 18th, 2015 at 7:36 PM ^

So hypothetical husband works 80 hour work weeks then watches tv all day on the weekends...when is he spending time with the wife? Why is he married? What exactly does she get out of this 'relationship?'  That marrige isnt going to work unless he just wants a housekeeper and a hole and she just wants someone to pay for her to be at home all week and doesnt really care about him beyond that.

Blau

December 18th, 2015 at 10:08 AM ^

You have to put in work throughout the OT season and during the week of games.

I love spending time with my girlfriend anyways but just not during games because after 2 years, I know she isn't big into sports. So why make her watch or enjoy something she won't enjoy?

We both have our outlets that don't involve us spending every moment together. Mine just happen to take place on Saturdays in the fall anywhere from 10am-8pm.

GoWings2008

December 18th, 2015 at 10:09 AM ^

I am also a big sports fan, but I also like doing sports and not just watching them.  I'd LOVE to be able to watch football all day Saturday and all day Sunday, but I realized a few years ago that if I want to be a responsible husband, father and home owner, I can't spend all weekend doing those things.  

My advice: Pick the one day that you can't live without, be it college football or NFL football and go with that and then realize that you have a life to tend to.  Relationships are like car engines, they run when you maintain them properly.  He can't put all his efforts into one part of that engine and ignore the others.  People have lots of relationships, some with sports, some with other people (spouses, parents, siblings, etc).  You can't spend your whole life maintaining only select relationships.  

Even die hard sports fans need to grow up.  Mow your grass, trim the hedges, rake the leaves...spend time with your wife.  

/end rant

ijohnb

December 18th, 2015 at 12:28 PM ^

kids on Saturday. For a couple who are both interested in Michigan football, that is the single biggest key. My son is up, showered, fed, exercised both mind and body by the time the M game comes on Saturday. Both my wife and I live and breath M football, but neither of us enjoy it if our kids are not fully "tended to" first. Interestingly, the toughest times she and I have are in the off-season because it is one of the primary motors that makes us run.

LSA Aught One

December 18th, 2015 at 10:09 AM ^

My first marriage ended because I spent more time at work than with her.  I felt that it was a better venture to make a ton of money and that she would eventually be happy spending it.  She did not agree.  I imagine she would have been happy for me to be home, stuck to the TV, watching sports.  At least I would have been home.  In the end, I learned a valuable lesson and with my current wife, I balance the time.  It also helps that she's very nice.

SugarShane

December 18th, 2015 at 10:11 AM ^

All addictions can be cured. Marriage is about compromise. If he's not willing to cut back on his addiction and limit it to certain days or certain sports, he needs to seek professional help



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JeepinBen

December 18th, 2015 at 10:11 AM ^

One of the most important things my wife and I did was live together for about 16 months before we got married. It wasn't a surprise when sports were on the TV most evenings. She's as big a Michigan fan as I am, so those games are a given. She's from metro detroit though, so the Blackhawks and Bulls games are a little tougher for her to stomach.

Seriously, live together before you get married. All those quirks/habits/etc will come to the forefront and you can figure out if you two work together before taking the plunge. You'll have to discuss money, daily routines, etc.

LJ

December 18th, 2015 at 10:55 AM ^

Totally cosign this.  I'm always a little amazed when people get married and are shocked to learn their partner's bad habits.  Even if you don't move in, spend enough time in the same space but doing your own thing that you know this person inside and out before you commit to the real deal.

JeepinBen

December 18th, 2015 at 11:12 AM ^

We were long distance before we moved in, so we had weekends/long weekends/week long stays at each other's places. Almost like a "living together test drive".

Moving in together was a much bigger adjustment than getting married. The big difference between our lives now (6 months post wedding) and 6 months pre-wedding is that I have more free time since I'm not wedding planning/doing wedding leg work (I print address labels like a BOSS).

snowcrash

December 18th, 2015 at 2:27 PM ^

Moving in was the big upheaval, and getting married was just formalizing it. The biggest change after getting married was figuring out how to file a joint tax return instead of an individual one.

Sione For Prez

December 18th, 2015 at 1:19 PM ^

This really is great advice. I never lived with my wife before we were married. Dated nearly 8 years beforehand so I thought I knew everything there was to know about her. With that said, nothing can prepare you to live with a significant other. Luckily we both are fairly laid back so the adjustment came much easier than some others I've heard about.

WindyCityBlue

December 18th, 2015 at 10:11 AM ^

I made it very clear well before I married my wife

That one of my passions was sports, mainly football and all things Michigan (I'm a Michigan a football season ticket holder), and that weekends in the fall/early winter were very busy for me. At that time, my strategy was to get her as into it as I am. It was an expensive strategy. And she kinda got it. She's a refugee immigrant and knows about die hard futbol fandom.

However, despite being very clear about my falls/early winters, she wasn't having it. I had to compromise - I gave up my Sunday's. I now rarely watch NFL. I even quit my fantasy football league. All this if she gave me all day on Saturdays to do as I choose with regards to college football watching.

It's working...so far. I'll report back when she changes her mind.



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Go Blue Rosie

December 18th, 2015 at 10:11 AM ^

In our house I'm actually the more obsessed sports fan.   My husband is a big Michigan fan but we're not nearly on the same level.  Fortunately, he understands and is supportive of my need to check mgoblog constantly and have maize and blue everywhere (no, I am not WD's sister).  I'm lucky that he gets it but I can't imagine what it would be like to be married to someone who didn't or wasn't a serious fan, too.   

SRK, I'm really sorry to hear about your daughter's marriage.  That's got to be incredibly hard on you and MSRK.  My sister's marriage is in trouble and I know how much it pains my parents to see it and be unable to help.   I hope all ends well for your daughter.  

 

The Mad Hatter

December 18th, 2015 at 10:11 AM ^

But if my wife really wants me to turn off a game, she has her ways.

If the husband continues to ignore his mostly naked wife who is also dressed as a cheerleader, then she should probably kill him (I'm Catholic, so that's pretty much the only option).

killerseafood3

December 18th, 2015 at 10:14 AM ^

Blah blah blah. He wasn't doing this before they got married? Your daughter expected things to drastically change after marriage? Ridiculous.
Way too many people rush into marriage now a days. I love sports, I love Michigan, but neither will cause me to short change my wife or her happiness. Tell the guy to get his head out of his ass or your daughter to find someone worthwhile.



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Jonesy

December 18th, 2015 at 7:43 PM ^

Definitely find someone else.  There are plenty of people out there and it'll be a lot easier to find a complementary one than to try and fix the broken one you're currently stuck with.  In my experience once a relationship is broken it will never be good again, just move on and keep looking.

bluebyyou

December 18th, 2015 at 10:15 AM ^

I have always been a sports junkie, but there comes a time in life that if you want to be a good partner/husband/dad, you have to balance your outside interests with your obligations to your family which, in my case, was further stretched by a very active and time consuming legal career.

What I did was to channel my love of sports into doing things with my kids that were sports related like going to their games when they were little  and being a coach, and as they got older, revising my schedule to the extent possible so I could attend high school games.  They both attended Michigan and that event, although living out of state, rekindled my love of Michigan football. My wife and I attended almost all Michigan home games for many years and continue to do so.  DVR's present an opportunity to time shift that allows you to still see much of the games that you can't see live.

Relationships are about sharing and if one is totally consumed by something that your significant other is not, good luck. I wouldn't bet on the relationship surviving.

Lampuki

December 18th, 2015 at 10:16 AM ^

...My wife and I are both U of M grads and love sports so that has worked well. However, I have trouble toning down my deep hatred for MSU and their fans and my wife says that I need to because our kids may end up with that as a school option (for academic or even sports reasons). 

I don't want my wife or my kids to resent me becuase of my deep hatred for MSU and their douche bag fan base

Also her cousin works for the MSU football team and I have had to avoid family gatherings for the past few years for fear of what I might do the next time he opens his pie hole.

What do you say, Dr. Laura?  Do I have aproblem?  Should I seek professional help?  Have a lobotomy?  Is Jim Harbaugh my medicine?

Erik_in_Dayton

December 18th, 2015 at 10:17 AM ^

...you've got to put your friends and family above sports if you value those relationships.  Sports are a fun escape, but the people you love are the most important parts of your life by a large margin.  You aren't going to be on your deathbed wishing you'd seen the Youngstown State game in real time instead of on the DVR.

Blue and Joe

December 18th, 2015 at 11:37 AM ^

You are absolutely correct, and it's pretty sickening to see so many people on here making excuses for this guy.

If he wanted to be married to sports he shouldn't have married OP's daughter. The fact that she feels neglected is 100% on him. Expecting your husband to be a husband is not "clueless" thinking. You can have your hobbies and interests, but if the marriage isn't priority #1 you are doing it wrong.

pdgoblue25

December 18th, 2015 at 10:18 AM ^

It's the only way it works.

I'm newly married and I'm having this problem with golf.  The wife doesn't understand how big a part of my life golf really is.  It's the only thing I was good at when I was a kid, it's a release for me.

Being the first one at the course on Saturday morning with dew on the ground, the sun coming up through the trees, a light fog, it's like seeing a therapist for me.

My favorite time of the year to play is late fall, I have no problem playing when it's 40 degrees outside because I get the course to myself.

She's initially fighting against it, I've explained to her if she tries to take golf away from me it's going to result in me slowly resenting her more and more for it.

There needs to be a compromise, I can't spend every free minute I have golfing, and she can't expect me to stop playing.

I'm really sorry about your daughter

 

Btown Wolverine

December 18th, 2015 at 10:19 AM ^

That advice works for a lot of things in relationships, I think. Both sides have to decide if they can live with their partner's eccentricities, you can't assume that they will change. So, you have to be upfront with your partner on what's important to you so they can make an informed decision.

I feel like I lucked out. My girlfriend loves to cuddle up and watch football, pro or college. She's an IU fan, but because she likes when I get excited about my team, she cheers for Michigan too (as long as they're not playing IU). 

Zoltanrules

December 18th, 2015 at 10:29 AM ^

Being addicted to something is obvioulsy selfish in a relationship but when you have kids it's really sad. I see many relationships like your daughters and you just want to smack these parents - life goes by so quickly and your kids need your attention. They listen and pay attention to everything (even though teens don't act like it) and it has a profound impact on the adult they become.

What's even worse are the moms and dads who can't get off their freaking iPhone ignoring their kids.

Best wishes to your daughter. I hope your son in law listens to your advice and grows up.

 

 

StephenRKass

December 18th, 2015 at 10:42 AM ^

They don't have kids, thankfully. To be honest, things like this help me check my own addiction. And remind me to spend more time with my own children still at home.

Honestly, things could be much worse. It helps that they don't have kids. It helps that they see there is a problem. It helps that they are willing to get counselling. (at least theoretically).

I actually feel bad for my son-in-law. He came from so much dysfunction, sports was an escape for him to cope with life. Sports really isn't the issue. The issue is whether he can find a counselor he trusts to really dive into his own issues, and things that no kid should ever have to deal with. While my daughter was ready to throw in the towel, we actually encouraged her to be patient, not to ignore the problem, but to get help in addressing it.