Go Tigers! Miguel is on pace to do it... let's hang on the next 4 games. And please don't let Benoit pitch unless we have a 5 run cushion. Serious.
Mike Lantry, 1972
Our setup and closer are the reason that we can't have nice things. I think they are seriously trying to see how close they can get to giving away games without actually doing it.
i think the fact we can't turn a DP is always a factor into this race being as close as it is right now.
Our "Loogey" (HT Blessyouboys.com) reliever has been killing us for months now.
Not yet the season, but the game. After Smyly pitched a few shut-out innings of his own? While Chicago won? And did I hear correctly that Verlander, after 7 shut-out innings, left the dug-out after Benoit gave up the grand slam?
Maybe he just went into the locker room in search of nice things.
Or the fact that Leyland keeps pulling starting pitchers too early. It cost them last night and nearly again today. Leyland is trying to manage the last 2 series like he did in 2006 and 2009. Hopefully the 3rd time is a charm.
Well, it worked perfectly when he pulled Porcello after 4 innings the other day. It was his best decision of the year. You can't predict beforehand how the bullpen will respond. It's definitely something they need to address in the offseason.
I don't think anybody would have sent JV out for the 8th inning up 6-0, and JV having thrown 117 pitches.
I'll agree with that, but Leyland has been criticized quite a few times in the past for pulling JV too early.
I understand that JV is a special pitcher... but he is on pace to finish first in all of baseball in innings pitched, by a healthy margin, for the second season in a row. Not only that, Verlander has thrown 200+ innings for the 6th season in a row, and has averaged 224.88 innings in that span - more than any other pitcher in baseball. Not only that, but typically it seems like when Jim pulls him early, it's following a 120+ pitch start. You just can't do that every time he pitches or his arm will fall off.
In all fairness, that's partially because he has so many lights out innings. I'd bet that if you look at pitch count over the seasons he'd still be near the top, but i would not be nearly as lobsided.
I take that back. He seems to have the most games started (33, next highest is 32) and the most pitches per game (114, next highest is 109, 101-103 seems most common) among top pitchers. That puts him at almost 3800 pitches with most starting pitchers having 3100-3300 and the next highest having 3500, a full two 130-pitch games behind Verlander.
Come on, they were up 6-0 after seven innings. Do you really want to ride Verlander to the end in a game like that?
The luxury of a six-run lead is that your bullpen can suck and it usually won't matter.
...multiple issues. I'm not even gonna begin listing them, as we know they can NOT stand pat with the current roster in the off-season.
Any other division other than the AL Central, they would have been out of the race a while ago. Even if they survive their own deficiencies and road ineptitute over these last 4 games, it's not good to get our hopes up in the post-season.
They're still my team, though, so....GO TIGERS!
He's kind of stuck in between a rock and a hard place. Our pitchers have generally been good until they aren't and they don't recover, so if you wait until they aren't, you are guaranteeing the opponent scores. If you try to pull them early then you are rolling the dice (almost guaranteeing the opponent scores) with the bullpen.
That said, he pulled Smyly too early last night and I'd much rather have Verlander get to 130 and finish the 8th than trust Benoit and Valverde. Hell, leave Verlander in and then bring in someone else to see how they close in the 9th. We are going to need a new closer next year.
Battle it out for closer job. Or Benoit I don't care whoever is rolling best. Just allocate valverde's 9million to upgrading the non-dirks corner OF spot. Not sure castellanos/Garcia will be ready.
I think you have to pull Verlander there in case you need to bring him back to start on Wed in the season finale.
Vmart coming back will be huge. It's akin to a major free agent signing. He was at the top in MLB last year in batting average with runners in scoring position. That's huge to put him behind Fielder. People that thought the Tigers were going to be much better this year just because of Fielder were severely under estimating the value of Martinez and what a huge loss that was. I'll judge Leyland after next year. They are right where most people expected them to be, maybe 4 games shy in the win record.
It's highly unlikely that your judgement of Leyland next year will have anything to do with the Tigers.
You'll have to expand on that for me. The Tigers were no better with Fielder minus Martinez in my opinion. If they don't control the division easily with that lineup next year, then Leyland should go, in my opinion.
true hopefully vmart returns to form after his injury. I remember earlier there was talk of him coming back in september but its probably for the best they shut him down for the year and let him completely heal
Is Martinez definitely back for the playoffs?
Martinez won't be back till next year.
me some Tigers but with that defense and that bullpen, the playoffs could be over in a hurry for us.
I just wish he would have pulled Benoit earlier. He obviously was struggling today.
Is not much safer...
He is to relief pitching what libyan security guards are to our old embassy....
in 2 years, and has the fewest blown saves in the league the last 3 years. Valverde has not a very good year by his standards, and his stuff seems to be dimishing , but let's keep things in perspective before we trash the guy.
It was a scary win, but a win none the less. There is a real chance that the Tigers will be up 3 with 3 to go, which would be amazing. Chicago must be kicking itself for not getting farther ahead of Detroit before they played TB and LA.
We need a sweep of Texas to win the division - let's go!