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October 21st, 2013 at 4:21 PM

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Laser Wolf

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OSU's recruitment of Raekown McMillan: Is this allowed?

OSU is hosting five-star ILB Raekwon McMillan on an official visit this coming weekend for Penn State. Per this article from cleveland.com (link), the official OSU Instagram/Twitter feed reached out to Raekwon with the following digital flier.

(Sorry for the giant embed.)

Does this violate the statute that disallows program from providing "Intentional or significant game-day simulations and/or impermissible recruiting aids"? I seem to remember Georgia and Washington getting dinged in their recruitment of Isaiah Crowell and Desmond Trufant, respectively, for violating the game-day simulation clause. Does putting his name on the back of the jersey make it any different than some of our recruits wearing jerseys and gloves and such during visits?

October 21st, 2013 at 4:25 PM

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Laser Wolf

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To clarify: I'm not whining

To clarify: I'm not whining that they're cheaters and this is totally unfair. I'm honestly wondering if this might be something the NCAA might need to consider in its interpretation of the rules. I'm guessing Instagram didn't factor into the equation when they were writing the current set of guidelines.

October 21st, 2013 at 4:25 PM

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BiSB

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That's not from OSU

That's from McMillan's Twitter feed.

https://twitter.com/Kwon_daTRUTH/statuses/389854841436405762

I am being Twitters

October 21st, 2013 at 4:32 PM

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83tilinfinity

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Yes, but in the article it

Yes, but in the article it states:

The Buckeyes even reached out to the linebacker on Twitter, creating a digital flier that depicted McMillan walking in Ohio Stadium in an Ohio State uniform.

I don't know the answer to OP's question, but it did make me look up the rules surrounding social media contact between coaches/schools and players. Apparently, if the coach/school direct messages a recruit, and that recruit is following the coach/school, it's not a violation. So I am guessing what happened here is:

1) McMillian follows OSU Athletics

2) OSU Athletics DMs him this image

3) He reposts it, of course, because who wouldn't?

If that is what happened (just speculation on my part) it wouldn't be a violation of the social media contact rules.

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October 21st, 2013 at 4:32 PM

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Laser Wolf

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Per Eleven Warriors, it was

Per Eleven Warriors, it was designed by someone named Sammy Silverman, who apparently works as a graphic designer for the OSU athletic department.

October 21st, 2013 at 4:33 PM

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He says "Levels to this" ...

He says "Levels to this" ... he must be a really advanced user of Photoshop, I'm impressed.

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October 21st, 2013 at 4:26 PM

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FreddieMercuryHayes

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Like they care? They had

Like they care? They had Griffin and Gee make a personal video for Elliott, and then were like 'whoops, totally didn't mean to so that' and then nothing happened for breaking the rules.

October 21st, 2013 at 4:32 PM

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I don't think so

I doubt that they would commit recruiting violations on social media where everyone could see it while they're still on probation.

October 21st, 2013 at 4:35 PM

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acs236

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Ahahahahahahhahaahaa...

Buddy, you're all right!

October 21st, 2013 at 4:56 PM

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Is Buddy all right or alright?

You decide and let me know...

October 21st, 2013 at 4:35 PM

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I dont know if it's allowed

I dont know if it's allowed or not but you have to admit it's pretty damn cool. If I was a high school kid and got that sent to me I'd be fired up to at least take a visit.

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October 21st, 2013 at 4:36 PM

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No....Ohio would never violate NCAA rules.

No....Ohio would never violate NCAA rules.

October 21st, 2013 at 4:41 PM

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Is this considered a

Is this considered a committable offer?

And just researching this young man I found a picture of this:

Could somebody please explain to me what is eating his helmet?

You know you love it..

October 21st, 2013 at 4:44 PM

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Death Star

obvsly a large kid

October 21st, 2013 at 4:56 PM

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LSAClassOf2000

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For A Linebacker...

I believe he's something around 6'3" and 235 pounds, which I would think is a pretty decent size for a linebacker recruit that has not yet set foot on a campus of any sort. I could be misjudging the typical dimensions of linebackers though.

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October 21st, 2013 at 4:46 PM

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It looks like something to

It looks like something to absorb the energy created on contact. Pretty good idea.

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October 21st, 2013 at 4:49 PM

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Coldwater

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Protection

It's a extra helmet protection to prevent concussions. Worn during practices, not games.

October 21st, 2013 at 4:53 PM

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snarling wolverine

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Why not wear it during games,

Why not wear it during games, too?

October 21st, 2013 at 7:58 PM

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pkatz

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Doesn't look "cool"

Oregon would never be caught dead wearing that

October 21st, 2013 at 8:32 PM

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snarling wolverine

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Sadly, that's probably it -

Sadly, that's probably it - but it's a ridiculous reason.

October 21st, 2013 at 8:49 PM

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michclub19

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This was Maryland's next

This was Maryland's next top-secret UNIFORMZ!! Trying to really embrace the terrapin mascot. Or maybe Koopa Troopa

October 22nd, 2013 at 7:59 PM

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Jonesy

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Everyone should be wearing

Everyone should be wearing Steve Tasker style darth helmets, alas they look ridiculous and the helmet makers wont make what the teams wont buy.

October 21st, 2013 at 4:49 PM

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mh277907

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They did the same thing with

They did the same thing with Mike Gesicki. Pretty cool/original idea and the creator - Sammy Silverman - is a talented guy. Unfortunately (or fortunately), it wasn't able to sway Gesicki to OSU.

buckeyebobcat

October 21st, 2013 at 4:59 PM

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ken725

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What swayed him to PSU was

What swayed him to PSU was watching the TEs tear us apart.

Greetings from Bolivia.

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October 21st, 2013 at 4:58 PM

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Raekwon

That's a great name

October 21st, 2013 at 7:42 PM

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October 21st, 2013 at 5:02 PM

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Of course its not breaking

Of course its not breaking the rules. Haven't you heard that Ohio State is the NCAA's poster child for compliance?

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October 21st, 2013 at 5:05 PM

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It beat this...

It beat this...

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October 21st, 2013 at 5:10 PM

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MGOARMY

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Wasn't there a poster type

Wasn't there a poster type thing up when we were recruiting Green? Said something along the lines of "the future of Michigan football" if I recall. Not sure how this is much different. Not trying to be sarcastic or dickish. Just curious what the difference is.

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October 21st, 2013 at 5:13 PM

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ken725

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Was the Green poster made and

Was the Green poster made and sent by the athletic department?

I think that is the issue here.

Greetings from Bolivia.

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October 21st, 2013 at 5:15 PM

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Hard to see a picture as a game day simulation.

Hard to see a picture as a game day simulation. I'm sure the rule refers to things like having recruits run out of the tunnel with the team before a game.

Eating is murder.

October 21st, 2013 at 5:23 PM

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When Oregon recruited

When Oregon recruited Jonathan Stewart, they created an entire comic book for him.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0806/cfb.orego...

This is nothing new.

Hell, You should see what Mississippi State is doing!

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October 21st, 2013 at 6:01 PM

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Funny story

...yeah, my work (well, actually, my Admin. Assistant) made up an entire graphic novel (comic book) for me. Well, actually, it was for the other admins, but it was about me. Most of the pages and story lines involve me dying in various, gruesome, painful ways, but I know that it was done out of admiration.

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October 21st, 2013 at 7:59 PM

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pkatz

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Sounds great

post a copy - it's nice to share!

October 21st, 2013 at 11:14 PM

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ChiBlueBoy

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Would love to

The FCC won't let me publish it.

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October 21st, 2013 at 5:40 PM

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If OSU made that, then absolutely

coaches aren't even allowed to mention guys by name till they sign, so no way in hell is that allowed

October 21st, 2013 at 6:30 PM

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83tilinfinity

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They can send direct messages

They can send direct messages in certain instances. See above.

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October 21st, 2013 at 7:12 PM

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lol

lol

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October 21st, 2013 at 7:31 PM

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October 21st, 2013 at 8:26 PM

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Gordon Berenson

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am I wrong?

am I wrong?

October 22nd, 2013 at 12:52 PM

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1484

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No. When they go into the

No. When they go into the recruits' houses to talk to their families, they have to refer to them as that kid sitting over there.

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October 22nd, 2013 at 2:57 PM

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ChiBlueBoy

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Question

Is giving the kid the stink-eye required or optional? Throwing something at him?

"Mattison must break you. Jake Ryan is his tool."

October 21st, 2013 at 5:44 PM

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Game Day simulation?

I supposed they could say it's a spring practice day since I don't see any other teams in the picture.

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October 21st, 2013 at 6:03 PM

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Not sure if a recruiting violation

but Urban Meyer will eventually "Urban Meyer", and probably consume Columbus and Ohio's football program in the procss. He does everything full bore and balls out: recruiting, hiring, protecting, coaching, winning, lying and cheating. All of it is intentional, aggressive, brutal, and with no apologies.

This is the way the world works now. Applause for it now drowns out questions and dissent.

Anyone in love with the idea of playing by the rules and with integrity really needs to grow up and get a freaking clue.

October 21st, 2013 at 6:07 PM

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ChiBlueBoy

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That would be me

I believe in playing by the rules and with integrity. I have no desire to grow up or get a freaking, or other variety of, clue. I'd rather live in my world than yours.

"Mattison must break you. Jake Ryan is his tool."

October 21st, 2013 at 6:20 PM

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Reader71

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Without a hint of hyperbole,

Without a hint of hyperbole, I would rather pull a University of Chicago and shut in down rather than have a dirty program. If cheating is the way of the future, I'll just reminisce about the good old days.

"In war, resolution; in defeat, defiance; in victory, magnanimity."

October 21st, 2013 at 9:02 PM

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Danwillhor

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this

the day UM has to cheat to compete is the day I stop caring. Of the many reasons Bo turned down a ton more money to take the TA&M job was his admittance of knowing what would be expected down there. He knew he'd be asked to not only engage in but, at best, turn a blind eye to how that whole conference obtained players. He refused to give concessions to any recruit (he'd, along with Hayes, give half serious threats....see Leach....lol) but no buying or illegal "advantage". When you have to cheat, you've already lost. Sadly, with no subpoena power, inside buddy deals and neutering themselves you can get away blatant cheating these days. Shoot, their last coach was caught cheating on paper (SO RARE) with circumstantial evidence backing it up out the ass covering the entire program and they got a slap on the wrist when even Spielman was on ESPN reporting from campus looking like he was at a funeral, waiting for another, admitting OSU ALUMS AND INSIDERS KNEW THINGS WERE NOT ON THE UP FOR A WHILE (!), TROY SMITH ADMITTING HE FELL ON THE GRENADE FOR HALF HIS TEAM WHEN CAUGHT GETTING THE $500 HANDSHAKE, etc and what did they get? A slap on the wrist when even alums and insiders were expecting USCx5 level sanctions. This picture, even on probation will not even be addressed by the NCAA. Just never stretch or make kids run for being late to or missing class. Then you're screwed.

October 21st, 2013 at 10:10 PM

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Danwillhor

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Then so be it

When the largest alumni base no longer has a team, when the winningest (word? lol) program ever no longer has a team, when the largest stadium in the nation sits empty, when one of the largest cash cows in so many arenas goes away......things would begin to move because it would become political. As of now you can cheat to almost zero consequence. If we have to cheat to win, I would truly rather announce that we are no longer fielding a team. That would at least get people wondering why and MAYBE get the necessary changes made to maintain fair pay by all. I'd rather not even play than cheat to win. Add in probation for nothing and osu getting a hand slap for their coach finally getting caught after literal decades of cheating and I'd truly rather not play or change to NAIA (lol) or something. This all kind if ties in with the NCAA just being inept and uneven in their power/punishment.

October 22nd, 2013 at 12:12 PM

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Fine with me. National

Fine with me. National championships are, fundamentally not something you can control. It is possible to win all of your games and not even play for it. I will never believe that the NC should be a goal. When it happens, great, but our goals should be about winning the games we play and getting the B1G title. I think that is still possible even if Ohio cheats. It is certainly harder, as evidenced by their recent dominance/cheating.

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October 21st, 2013 at 10:08 PM

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B1GHouse

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Be careful about casting

Be careful about casting stones. Woodson, Marcus Ray, Thomas Gibson, David Terrelle, the Fab5, RichRod and extra practice...
If you think there are folks that are immune to operating on the fringe, you live with your head in the sand. Some try harder than others but everybody has skeletons in the closet.

And to the OP, how would this be a violation? How is that worse then the schools that send 94858595958584 letters a day to a recruit? Or having them on the sideline for a game?
Or letting them in the locker room to wear gear and take pics?

October 22nd, 2013 at 12:18 PM

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Reader71

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Well yeah. The Fab 5 were a

Well yeah.

The Fab 5 were a huge part of my youth and a major reason I love Michigan. But when I found out they were bought, I made them and everyone involved persone non grata. And the program was blown up. Good.

For the other stuff, I think there is a difference between one-offs and a systemic problem. If M has a slush fund ala SMU or were allowing a booster like Shapiro around the program and (at least tacitly) supporting him, I'd call that a lack of institutional control. If we have that here, I say shut it down.

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