To clarify: I'm not whining that they're cheaters and this is totally unfair. I'm honestly wondering if this might be something the NCAA might need to consider in its interpretation of the rules. I'm guessing Instagram didn't factor into the equation when they were writing the current set of guidelines.
OSU's recruitment of Raekown McMillan: Is this allowed?
That's from McMillan's Twitter feed.
Yes, but in the article it states:
The Buckeyes even reached out to the linebacker on Twitter, creating a digital flier that depicted McMillan walking in Ohio Stadium in an Ohio State uniform.
I don't know the answer to OP's question, but it did make me look up the rules surrounding social media contact between coaches/schools and players. Apparently, if the coach/school direct messages a recruit, and that recruit is following the coach/school, it's not a violation. So I am guessing what happened here is:
1) McMillian follows OSU Athletics
2) OSU Athletics DMs him this image
3) He reposts it, of course, because who wouldn't?
If that is what happened (just speculation on my part) it wouldn't be a violation of the social media contact rules.
Per Eleven Warriors, it was designed by someone named Sammy Silverman, who apparently works as a graphic designer for the OSU athletic department.
He says "Levels to this" ... he must be a really advanced user of Photoshop, I'm impressed.
Like they care? They had Griffin and Gee make a personal video for Elliott, and then were like 'whoops, totally didn't mean to so that' and then nothing happened for breaking the rules.
I doubt that they would commit recruiting violations on social media where everyone could see it while they're still on probation.
Buddy, you're all right!
You decide and let me know...
I dont know if it's allowed or not but you have to admit it's pretty damn cool. If I was a high school kid and got that sent to me I'd be fired up to at least take a visit.
No....Ohio would never violate NCAA rules.
Is this considered a committable offer?
And just researching this young man I found a picture of this:
Could somebody please explain to me what is eating his helmet?
obvsly a large kid
I believe he's something around 6'3" and 235 pounds, which I would think is a pretty decent size for a linebacker recruit that has not yet set foot on a campus of any sort. I could be misjudging the typical dimensions of linebackers though.
It looks like something to absorb the energy created on contact. Pretty good idea.
It's a extra helmet protection to prevent concussions. Worn during practices, not games.
Why not wear it during games, too?
Oregon would never be caught dead wearing that
Sadly, that's probably it - but it's a ridiculous reason.
This was Maryland's next top-secret UNIFORMZ!! Trying to really embrace the terrapin mascot. Or maybe Koopa Troopa
Everyone should be wearing Steve Tasker style darth helmets, alas they look ridiculous and the helmet makers wont make what the teams wont buy.
They did the same thing with Mike Gesicki. Pretty cool/original idea and the creator - Sammy Silverman - is a talented guy. Unfortunately (or fortunately), it wasn't able to sway Gesicki to OSU.
What swayed him to PSU was watching the TEs tear us apart.
That's a great name
Of course its not breaking the rules. Haven't you heard that Ohio State is the NCAA's poster child for compliance?
Wasn't there a poster type thing up when we were recruiting Green? Said something along the lines of "the future of Michigan football" if I recall. Not sure how this is much different. Not trying to be sarcastic or dickish. Just curious what the difference is.
Was the Green poster made and sent by the athletic department?
I think that is the issue here.
Hard to see a picture as a game day simulation. I'm sure the rule refers to things like having recruits run out of the tunnel with the team before a game.
When Oregon recruited Jonathan Stewart, they created an entire comic book for him.
This is nothing new.
Hell, You should see what Mississippi State is doing!
...yeah, my work (well, actually, my Admin. Assistant) made up an entire graphic novel (comic book) for me. Well, actually, it was for the other admins, but it was about me. Most of the pages and story lines involve me dying in various, gruesome, painful ways, but I know that it was done out of admiration.
coaches aren't even allowed to mention guys by name till they sign, so no way in hell is that allowed
They can send direct messages in certain instances. See above.
am I wrong?
No. When they go into the recruits' houses to talk to their families, they have to refer to them as that kid sitting over there.
Is giving the kid the stink-eye required or optional? Throwing something at him?
I supposed they could say it's a spring practice day since I don't see any other teams in the picture.
but Urban Meyer will eventually "Urban Meyer", and probably consume Columbus and Ohio's football program in the procss. He does everything full bore and balls out: recruiting, hiring, protecting, coaching, winning, lying and cheating. All of it is intentional, aggressive, brutal, and with no apologies.
This is the way the world works now. Applause for it now drowns out questions and dissent.
Anyone in love with the idea of playing by the rules and with integrity really needs to grow up and get a freaking clue.
I believe in playing by the rules and with integrity. I have no desire to grow up or get a freaking, or other variety of, clue. I'd rather live in my world than yours.
Without a hint of hyperbole, I would rather pull a University of Chicago and shut in down rather than have a dirty program. If cheating is the way of the future, I'll just reminisce about the good old days.
Fine with me. National championships are, fundamentally not something you can control. It is possible to win all of your games and not even play for it. I will never believe that the NC should be a goal. When it happens, great, but our goals should be about winning the games we play and getting the B1G title. I think that is still possible even if Ohio cheats. It is certainly harder, as evidenced by their recent dominance/cheating.
Be careful about casting stones. Woodson, Marcus Ray, Thomas Gibson, David Terrelle, the Fab5, RichRod and extra practice...
If you think there are folks that are immune to operating on the fringe, you live with your head in the sand. Some try harder than others but everybody has skeletons in the closet.
And to the OP, how would this be a violation? How is that worse then the schools that send 94858595958584 letters a day to a recruit? Or having them on the sideline for a game?
Or letting them in the locker room to wear gear and take pics?
The Fab 5 were a huge part of my youth and a major reason I love Michigan. But when I found out they were bought, I made them and everyone involved persone non grata. And the program was blown up. Good.
For the other stuff, I think there is a difference between one-offs and a systemic problem. If M has a slush fund ala SMU or were allowing a booster like Shapiro around the program and (at least tacitly) supporting him, I'd call that a lack of institutional control. If we have that here, I say shut it down.
An unprecedented triplicate!?
I thought Hoke dismissed Stonum not for being late to the probation meeting, but because Stonum drove to the probation meeting when his license was suspended for drunk driving, as a result of which Stonum pleaded guilty to a probation violation and had to do a week in jail?
It's still not the most serious of offenses, I agree--but it's much worse than simply being tardy.
provide a school jersey with the player's name on it to a recruit. When it comes down to it, what's the difference between that, and the school sending the recruit a photo shopped picture of him wearing a team uniform? The intended message is exactly the same. Seems like just another shady way to skirt the rules.
If the NCAA is the higher power consider me an atheist.
Welcome to the club!!
What exactly is the reasoning behind this being an illegal activity?
...if they sent young Raekwon a picture of him in a kitchen, wearing a chef's toque in honor of his namesake.
OSU fan here. I get that he's Urban Meyer so you guys would hate him even if he saved your puppy and paid your mortgage. But all these allegations in this thread of him being a cheater? Really? Point to one time where he's been found to be a cheater? He's a lot of things but a cheater? You guys are better than that. FYI rooting for both teams to win out the rest of the way"
Double posts are lame. Apologies.
I'm betting that OSU's compliance staff has researched the image, and it isn't illegal.
It certainly shouldn't be. I can't imagine anyone being swayed to commit to a school because he sees his name photoshopped onto a drawing of a jersey.
OSU and Meyer are too smart to break the recruiting rules, especially in view of Tresselgate. And frankly, they don't need to. As a top program, OSU attracts good recruits year in and year out.
We don't benefit by pointing fingers and making the assumption that Meyer is a dirty recruiter; there's certainly very little evidence to support that conclusion. OSU may be our biggest and most important rival, but let's give credit where it's due: OSU has a hell of a good program, and an elite coach. They don't need to cheat to attract fine players.
I hope we beat OSU this year, and every year. But if we don't, it certainly isn't going to be because some recruit got some cool artwork.
Our entire conference benefits when all of its historically top teams are strong, and not under NCAA sanctions. The national perception of the conference has taken a big hit since 2008, and I honestly think our record from 2008-2010, OSU's problems, and PSU's problems contributed to the B1G's image problem. And that costs the league recruits, better bowl games, and remember, better bowl games have better payouts, so a lesser image costs the league money.
I'd like to see all of the league's teams, including OSU (but most especially us), improve.
with all you just said BlueHills.
We have a few on this site who continue to post the same crap over and over how any school not named Michigan that has ever won anything has to be cheating/paying players/ and any other stupid shit they can think of.
I despise OSU more than any school there is (MSU is a very close 2nd) but i am a little more intelligent than to just assume that they win thru nefarious means.
They have a great program and now a truly great coach in Meyer and that alone is enough to get elite talent year after year.
We have not reached their level in many many years. But there is always hope.
I'm not normally one for deregulation. But all these byzantne rules about whether schools can put a recruit's name on a jersey, or on a poster, or whether it's okay if the school sends it directly to the recruit vs. posting it someplace, and so on and so forth really don't seem necessary or helpful.
It seems to me that the NCAA would be much more effective if they just had a few simple, common-sense rules and focused on enforcing those, rather than a 15-lb. binder full of esoteric regulations that require an entire "compliance staff" to manage, and which are routinely viiolated out of inadvertence even by honest and well-intentioned coaches and athletes.
EGD, what you just said makes entirely too much sense.
What a great first name. Wu-Tang Forever.
Only Built 4 Urban's Stink
Oh come on. That could be ANY black guy naked Raekwon McMillan.
cash rules everything around me. Listening to...Ice Cream Man.