will take you to the local radio feed. They were in agony yesterday and I am certain today will be filled with fans and analysts continuing to say that OSU has been wronged.
OSU's Posey's Mom Blames NCAA for Players' Money Plights
Here's a link to this morning's Cleveland Plain Dealer's sport section. You'll notice that the OSU story is 12th behind such important sports stories as Tiger Wood's being dropped by Proctor & Gamble and Akron U's men's basketball team.
In other words.....EXACTLY as I predicted they would react several times earlier this year. Ohio media, if presented with the same opportunity that the Freep had will make every effort to bury the story, not call attention to it.
They have this wacky idea down here that alienating their readers is somehow bad for business. What rubes!
In Ohio, OSU is the ONLY program that anyone gives a d*mn about. Kelly wasn't at UC long enough for that program to gain any traction. Even alumns of other Ohio schools generally cheer for OSU first and their alma mater second.
Meanwhile in Michigan, there are two BCS schools (yes, MSU counts...stop snickering) and both have a large following. The Freep isn't really cutting their own throat with their Jihad against UM, they are merely aligning themselves with MSU fans. If any major newspaper in Ohio did that to OSU, they would probably go out of business in short order from cancelled subscriptions.
Columbus is very inexpensive to live in so I really dont understand that at all. But I do agree that expecting the student athletes to live in destitution since they have no time to take on jobs and the like is a bit cruel. Some token amount so they can go out with friends on occasion would not be the end of the world considering the millions the universities make off of these kids.
That being said...LOL...TUOOS....TP.....jackass....
plenty of money for rent/food that they have some left over for extras such as going out.
I worked full-time through college to pay for everything I wanted to do....I'm just saying they dont have the option to do that. I imagine its hard to save to travel for Spring break and travel over the Summer on what these kids get. I agree they probably and should get enough to pay for a college appt, books, food and cheep beer at happy hour at a bar with vomit under the tables--but I didnt have any desire to do that and maybe they dont either. Im just saying they dont have a real option unless mom and dad or a booster can pave the way.
Im not saying they dont have a sweet deal...I would have loved to have not had to pay my tuition and work all the time. But, I also did not have the athletic ability to help my school rake in millions every weekend. Im not bitter about it...its just the way things worked out. Faulting them for wanting more doesnt make sense....does anyone not want to be 'paid' more than they are?
get into a pay for play argument but they don't need to save money by working. They don't pay for tuition, books, or meals. They could easily use those thousands of dollars to pay for a vacation or trip if they wanted. No need to sell stuff that they knew was not allowed. I'm getting really sick and tired of the "I didn't know" defense...
That's b.s. about them not having money because they can't get jobs in the summer. All Division 1 scholarship athletes get a stipend from the university, housing and books paid for and they have more than enough time in the summer to get a job. They lift 2-2.5 hours about 4 days a week during the summer and take classes. They have plenty of time to have a part-time job in the summer if they are that desperate for money.
They have an absolute free ride to college and continue to live in destitute situation, regardless of the fact they are paid their room and board in cash if they so choose amd can then find off campus housing for less than they are paid, pocketing the rest.
It amazes me that people still think the players are these poor slobs with nothing but lint In their pockets.
What part of getting all that for free and playing ball at Michigan doesn't sound perfect?
have this response down, but man, I want to fill in. When I went to U of M, football players complained to me how little money they got, and when I heard how much it was I was shocked. These guys have all the money they need. Rent, food, clothes. They get cash baby. They were also hooked up with nice paying construction jobs over the summer when I went there. I remember being dumbfounded when hearing them complain and thinking, as i walked to classes i was paying for: wow, I wish I had that much money. Oh, and, it's refreshing to hear an OSU mom complain they don't have money for tats. That's nice.
Players on the team told me that a lot of them are on food stamps.
I don't feel bad for someone who has a full ride to a major university (or any university for that matter)... Poor kids don't have enough money to pay for new tattoos... Seriously?
I know a number of guys from college who got on food stamps. Anyone can do it if your income level is low enough and it's basically $200 a month for food. Good way to save money, basically.
Everyone has this negative perception of food stamps. Frankly, just about every kid who is in college probably qualifies. Assuming their parents aren't loaded. If you're going into debt by taking out loans it makes sense. It's just the stigma attached to it that makes people think it's the worst thing in the world. I just graduated and wish I knew it was an option. Basically, big deal, I have tons of debt now yet found a way to make it through college. They get a free ride and I'm supposed to feel sorry for them? Not happening.
It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of players are on food stamps. The government makes it easy to get on food stamps. My guess is most students could get on food stamps if they tried and probably a lot of non-student MGoBlog readers.
That being said ... they don't NEED to get on food stamps because their FOOD (not their extras like PS3 or tattoos) is already paid for.
In fairness to Ms. Posey, her statement is that Columbus is more expensive than Athens (Ohio U), where her other son is a student athlete, adding that the younger son is lower profile on a lower profile program, so he can live right down the street from the stadium without the "chaos" DeVier would be subject to.
Now as to the comparative pricing of tattoos in Athens...
I'm sure Ohio U. would happily accept Devier's transfer request. He could have gone there, and then he wouldn't have this "problem." What a DB!! Nobody forced him to go for the glitz of stardom to play at a high profile program like Ohio State.
enough said. She sounds like a perfect buck role model. Sad
In addition to room and board, football players at BCS schools receive a pell grant ($2000 or more) each semester, opportunity fund money, and "shoe and clothing money." After books, tuition, and other university expenses, players have 6 or 7 thousand dollars per nine month school year to work with. Their athletic departments gives them all of the basic clothing they need (T-shirts, sweatsuits, jackets, etc.). After their expenses are paid, these players have about $200 per week to play with.
The cost of living in Columbus is not terribly high. The cost of living large or living it up is high. I guarantee this kid blew his money in a club and on the latest fashions and fed his mother a line of BS that she repeated to the Dispatch.
It will take time and distance. When their local fame wanes, they will have to look at the world in another way.
This semester at michigan, not including room, board, books and tuition costs, I was budgeted about $200 of my OWN money, and I never once wasn't able to go out and do whatever the rest of my hall was doing, and I never even thought I was poor. They have at least ten times that and complain they are destitute?
is part of the "MgoBoard FAQ" permanently stickied to the MgoBoard here. I get the feeling that some newer Mgobloggers are more or less likely never to have actually seen it, so it may be worth posting here in its entirety:
What's the offtopic policy?
In the offseason, offtopic posts are tolerated. During football season they are discouraged and may be subject to removal depending on how alert the moderators are. What counts as on- and off- topic?
* Anything Michigan sports related
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We will let pro sports topics slide even during football season but "everything else" posts are likely to get the axe.
As you can see, stories about OSU football don't come anywhere near being off-topic.
As the OP, I missed the OT rules...went ahead and reread the entire FAQ section...and changed the title.
Thank you for the heads up.
Who really gives a shit if it says OT or not next to the post? Did it have any impact on anyone actually clicking into it or reading it??I don't understand why someone always feels the need to be that guy and call out the poster that they did something horribly wrong??
the members of the board, because it's a FAQ. Meaning people ask a lot of questions about it..?
I imagine that is why Brian stickied the FAQ in the first place.
I hesitated to say anything; I appreciate the lack of hard feeling.
I had roommates who worked two jobs to pay their way through school which left them little time to do anything but work and study. I know the university is making money off these guys but unlike an NFL owner, the money actually ends up benefitting many, whether that be through research, scholarship opportunities for others, or upgrading facilities for the rest of the university to enjoy. IMHE, when you accept a scholarship from a university as a student athlete, not only are you getting an education (which some of these athletes don't care about), but you're contributing to the greater good for everyone and being the ultimate team player.
Well stated. I like the angle that the $$ the university brings in isn't just to fill the coffers. It funds other athletes in non-revenue sports to be able to enjoy a quality education.
I agree with her that the athletes deserve a slice of the pie. However, Posey did sign an agreement stating that he would play by the rules. As long as the rules are in place, any athlete is contracturally (and ethically) bound to obey them, and his mother's coments come off as little more than any criminal's mother saying "it isn't my boy's fault."
Maybe the real problem here is that OSU, with their "hostesses," "tutors," Escalades, and golden handshakes, has provided an atmosphere of gross non-compliance, and the players don't remember which rule they are breaking after awhile.
You make good points though I think the issue is pretty grey and will remain so for a long time.
I have no problem with anyone complaining about the NCAA. Its shortcomings are numerous and obvious.
While Posey's mom's anger may seem misdirected, why does it necessarily have to be some sense of entitlement, as others are calling it here? I think it's likely she understands the inherent value her son brings to a booming industry and recognizes the very meager return he gets for his contribution relative to almost any other industry in a free market economy. She may not articulate it that way, but it's pretty obvious for most people to see. Your position that the top .01% are the only ones to which that argument applies even acknowledges it, so I think you may even agree at least a few of these kids are getting screwed.
I'd wager to guess that for the work you were performing at $7/hr. while at UM you were getting a market wage. You probably would have liked a few more bucks, but your wage was likely commensurate with your daily contribution to your employer's operations. If not, then you could have looked for employment elsewhere and gotten the wage you deserved. Further, at a $7/hr job, you were probably replaceable--i.e., it was likely an entry level position, and hundreds if not thousands of other students probably could have performed the same function without much difference in performance. These are things that can't be said for the 85 guys on the football team. Their scholarships are indeed payment, but that money certainly does not represent a market wage. They are vastly underpaid relative the value to bring to the university and conference, and not just the guys like Posey and Pryor. The other 84 or 85 guys may or may not ever be good enough to play at a professional level, either in the NFL, Arena league or CFL. But to me, that's not the point. They're not trying out like an intern at some law firm (who, by the way, at top firms get a fat check) or at some investment bank like Goldman Sachs, to use your analogy. Those companies rely on their established producers to make the billions. The interns are doing very little in the way of contributing to the bottom line. I would guess in most cases, they're a short-term drain on profitability, even though they’re a wise long-term investment because they represent the firm's producers of the future. All 85 guys on scholarship are the producers for a team like OSU or Michigan or Texas. Even if they don’t start, they’re the guys on the practice field making it possible for the Terelle Pryor types to improve their game. And even while their contributions may vary from #1 to #85, even guy #85 is highly skilled and his talents are rare in the general population. He’s effectively not replaceable. This should make his worth extremely high and thus his income as well, but because NCAA doesn’t operate under same the rules of a free market economy in the U.S., he gets an artificial wage. That wage may seem fair to the rest of us who had to pay for college and would have loved free room and board, but that’s easy for us to say because the great majority are not rare athletes with highly marketable and desirable and irreplaceable skills.
Now what to do about it? I have no answers. Probably no way to have players share equitably, but that doesn't make the status quo fair in my opinion.
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I agree with most everything you've said, except for the fact that even #85 is replaceable. I think that many of the students-athletes that do not play regularly (or don't make the travel squad) are replaceable, especially at a place like Michigan. Sure they may be the players that the first and second teamers practice against, but I think there is a reasonable market of these practice-squad type players. Many of these guys are either former walk-ons or guys that predominately received MAC-type offers. As such, that means that while not everyone can do what they do, there is a large enough population of individuals, that you could replace them.
The analogy that comes to mind for me is that I think they are as replaceable as I was as a grad student at Michigan who received a living stipend and tuition. I had developed fairly specialized skills (which is what got me accepted into Rackham and the lab I worked for). However, had I not gone to Michigan for grad school (a terrible thought), the lab would have found someone else that could have done a job similar to myself. In the same manner had some of the lower-end scholarship players selected to go play for a MAC team (say because they wanted more playing time), Michigan can just as easily replace them.
In the same vein, I consciously selected to go to grad school at Michigan, and accept a stipend that was far less than what I could have commanded in the general work force, because of the value it had for me future. I think the same exact thing holds true for the practice-squad type players. Sure they might have a dream of busting it out big and getting drafted. However, I think most of those types of players are smart enough (or I hope they are at Michigan) to realize that is a long shot and that while here they should be preparing themselves for the future. They get a free academic education (which far more resources available to them than the average student with regards to tutoring, etc.) AND they have the opportunity for an excellent education in leadership with great mentors (and if you don't like RR, which is not the point here, they've got great guys like Jon Falk).
So while there are some players that are not replaceable, it is my opinion that there are many others who are replaceable. Please don't interpret this as a knock on those players. I feel that they are great guys and true Michigan Men, often because knowing the odds against them for the NFL, they selected to come to Michigan because they knew what kinds of Man it would form them into.
probably not much difference between top walk on and #85 scholarship guy. Obviously a few of the top walk ons are better from time to time. I just meant it in the sense the kids good enough to play at a Div I program, especially one like Michigan but even a MAC team, are pretty rare in the context of the general population of 18-22 year olds. There's not a large pool of equitable talent out there, and the wider the net, the less talented that pool becomes (effectively not replaceable, as I said above). There are just so many guys who run 4.6 fortys, have ball skills, are 235 lbs and extremely agile and quick, etc. Even with you, there probably wasn't a huge pool of grad students out there to replace you as a percentage of general population of candidates. But in your case, you and others like you had options. If not this course of study, then that one. If not school, then the private sector. These kids don't have options. They're either as good as or better than the other couple thousand D1 scholarship recruits each year or they're not. It's an absolute number.
Like you, I would hope the guys that don't see the field much in their time at a school are focused on the degree.
they should live in the dorms if its so hard for them to pay their bills. Its not complicated
Given the rings and other stuff to their mothers, and then let their mothers sell it so they could avoid any problems.......Claim they did not know their parents or moms were going to sell the stuff, so no responsibility on their part according to NCAA. A sad day when an SEC school has smarter football players than OSU!
I was listening to Mark May spew about how if this happened in the SEC that all the players would be suspended immidiately. I was thinking, are you serious??? As you said, they could have just given the goods to their parents to sell and got off free.
Gee you wonder where Posey gets his skewed sense of ethics. I do not think it is cut and dry as the student athletes are getting a free education, but universities do make a heck of a lot of money off of the football programs.
I know this is a little off topic, but I saw something on ESPN that caught my interest this morning on ESPN. Mel Kiper was talking about Pryor. He basically said that Pryor is not going to be a QB in the NFL. He will likely be a Tight End. I just thought it was interesting that in my recollection of the Pryor recruitment, he went to
in regards to Pryor picking OSU. Is why would anyone pick them when they have asperations of being an NFL QB? Who was the last one to come out of there that was any good in the league?
to get those tats? Apparently it is the NCAA's fault that all those players need tattoos.
Often these mothers of athletes are clueless. I remember about a decade ago when Darius Miles was a big high school hoops star in Illinois. Some reporter, of course, interviewed his mother, where she adamantly stated that she was so certain her son Darius was ready for the NBA. As if she knew what that meant.
If Posey's mother knew anything at all, about anything, she would have rallied for her son to go to school at Michigan. She's just disappointed that she can't at that NCAA money.
I worked 3 jobs while attending a Jesuit school (USF... Go Dons) in the mid-90's. Back then, tutition was $14.5K / year. I lived in my dad's condo after he retired; I didn't pay rent, but I did pay all of the utilities. Of course, there was gas money. And car insurance. Oh, and I had to eat, too. Of course, all of this was in the Bay Area, which is just a tad bit more expensive to live in than Barfumbus. In addition to the jobs, I played club lacrosse, which required me to buy my own equipment. Anyone wanna guess as to how much lacrosse gear costs? Also, I was drumming in a band that gigged regularly.
Somehow, my sorry ass made it work. I graduated on time with a 3.75 GPA.
I have ZERO sympathy for these cry babies.
San Fran? You were saving a thousand dollars a month living in daddy's condo. I get your point, but it sounds like you didn't really have it that rough.
I agree with Posey's mom, NCAA needs to be reformed. What these players need is a union. The football players slice of the pie, compared to what they contribute is minuscule. The players didn't break any laws, they broke a preposterously hypocritical NCAA rule.
NCAA motto; do as I say not as I do
Does Denard get a bigger piece of the pie than some secondary player? And if you're playing for pay, does that mean if you have to recruit another kicker because the old guy couldn't do his job, he gets fired? I mean, you can't have business ethics on one side, then Academic ethics on the other. Does a football player earn a higher wage than a soccer player? I mean, how much money foes the soccer guy bring? Then they must make more money than the women's gymnastic team members. Oh, wait....is that Title IV I hear calling? Now you have the Federal Government on your ass. And I guess the tiny percentage that actually make it to the pros should probably pay some apprenticeship fee back to the University. Or they could have chosen a sport where there's a minor league. I'm sure most will find the pay and lifestyle of a minor league ballplayer looks pretty awful compared to a college scholarship.
Until you have answers for all this, screaming UNION just seems ignorant. Paying people sounds a lot easier in a complaint than reality.
Never said it would be easy. I am ignorant on the intricacies of paying college athletes, I have to defer to your expertise, but have an inclination that people who don't contribute nearly as much as the athletes, are reaping disproportionate monetary benefit.
The athletes are portrayed as greedy and self serving (seems like the American way to me), but the rule makers hoarding the money are what? I am not sure? But philanthropists they ain't.
The average cost to attend college, including tuition, books, room and board, was around the $30k mark for all public/private colleges in 2009-2010. This includes some cheaper schools, so figure a school like Michigan or osu (out of state) is in the $40k range. Total that over 4 years and you're basically giving these kids $160k+ over 4 years to play at your school. They can even get it in cash, so they do pocket a fair portion of the money. I had friends on full athletic scholarships at UM and no way were they hurting for money.
Maybe they should change the terms - we'll pay you $25k cash salary per year and you figure out tuition, room, board, etc on your own.
Players' plight? Only five years ago, my OSU pals explained that this news story could be any college student anywhere. Whahappen?!
According to a Columbus Division of Police report, the burglary occurred sometime between Nov. 22 at 6 p.m. and Nov. 23 at 8 p.m.
Hawk, Mangold, and a third roommate, Jonathan Thomas, told police that their apartment in the 100 block of West Norwich Avenue was broken into and about $3,000 in cash, $1,425 in movies, two laptop computers, a $500 Gucci watch, two Microsoft X-Box games valued at a total of $500, a Sony Playstation game valued at $250 were taken.
Let's not go overboard. There are plenty of football players who come from upper class families. The Hawk's and the Mangold's are not poor. If you were well off, and your kids got full rides (plus stipends), your kids would have a bunch of stuff too.
like $3000 cash laying around.
I wish I could have gone to school for free. I will be repaying my loans until the day I die.
Might want to check your repayment plan. You can probably consolidate the loans or find some way to get part of them forgiven with regular payments or community service.
Somehow, I was able to pay entirely for my own college without stealing, cheating, etc, etc. I feel like they could figure it out.
If you have money for food, housing, and tuition, you don't NEED anything else in college. You do if you're an impatient douche that can't stand not being a big baller with dope threads and a sick ride, but give me a break. Millions upon millions of students get through college without having a ton of nice things.
I don't know how I feel about some sort of revenue sharing scheme for college athletes, but the argument that these players aren't having their basic needs provided for while in school is just ridiculous.
One of the problems with the scholarship that players do get is that there is a gap between actual cost of attendance (once you factor all the costs in) and what the players actually get. I think it works out to like 1 or 2k a year or something (don't remember the exact number here) There are actually a substantial number of student athletes who actually take out loans to cover this gap. Someone actually sued the NCAA (I think on antitrust grounds) for not allowing schools to provide the full cost of attendance of they wanted to do so. They actually had a pretty legit case, which is why the NCAA ended up settling.
In that case I have no problem with them taking it up with the NCAA. Even in that situation I have a problem with a player breaking the NCAA rules and attempting to justify it by saying that they're not getting enough so they had to. I, and most people who have gone on to college, would kill to have only 1-2k a year in loans. If the NCAA decides they should get more than that, by all means give it to them, we all know they're earning it, but don't give me crap about how you HAD to so you could survive in college. That's not a legitimate reason, IME.
Pryor and co are definitely in the wrong, in that it was clear that they were breaking the rules and they did it anyways. With that said, college atheletes to get kind of a raw deal when it comes to things like this.
So I went back and looked into it, and the difference between the standard scholarship package and the official cost of attendance comes out to an average $2500 a year. To me it's a situation where alot of these players recruited by these schools don't have that kind of cash just laying around when at the same time the schools that are making an incredible amount of money off of them. We should at least not be asking them to go into debt when they come to a place like Michigan. The way it works currently, the NCAA prohibits individual schools from being able to provide this aid. There are probably some Title IX issues, but to bring it up to cost of attendance for the 85 football players and 13 men's basketball on scholarship, costs an additional $245,000 a year. Seems like a cost the schools should be able to pay if they want.
I hate is that apparently under NCAA rules you have no property rights.
I was under the impression that TP owned his B10 championship ring, his awards, and his gold pants. Apparently the NCAA says that is not the case.
While i love the "come-up-n's" as much as anyone, especially when the subject has proven himself to be a giant douchebag over the last 3 years, the NCAA is a fraud and a joke. I really hope Tom Brady never got an extra chicken wing from Mr. Spots, or a larger slice of pizza from backroom.
The problem is that there would be a HUGE loophole in how schools could "pay" players. Just give them a ton of stuff for free that they can sell.
"You're the top recruit in the country? Well, we have custom diamond rings for the offensive MVP each year. You're free to pawn it as soon as you get it if you want."
That's why it's completely within their rights to sell all their stuff once they're out of college. It's not a property issue, it's a way to close that potential loophole.
then the problem would be that they give them anything at all.
this is absurd, if you GIVE them something, it is THEIRS.
if you don't want it to be THEIRS, do not GIVE them anything.
Then we're back to not giving them their own playing equipment, etc. Unless someone wants to sit down and make a list of things they can or can't sell.
-You May Sell: Championship rings, trophies, assorted memorabilia.
-You May Not Sell: Your game worn jerseys, shoes, gloves.
The NCAA had to choose one of three options. A) Let schools give kids whatever they want and let them sell it however they want. This amounts to allowing the school to pay the players as much as they want. B) Come up with some completely convoluted and incredibly specific list of things the players can and can't sell. They're clearly not opposed to convoluted and specific in a lot of cases, but they didn't choose that option here. C) Allow schools to give players stuff like rings and trophies and just don't allow them to sell it until they're no longer an amateur athlete.
You sir are clearly a man of vision and insight. I like the way you're thinking!
You're the top recruit in the country? Well, we have custom diamond rings for the offensive MVP each year. You're free to pawn it as soon as you get it if you want."
. Those players own those gifts and should be able to sell them. And to solve the potential problem of colleges offering gifts as a type of incentive, bribe, whathaveyou, the NCAA should manage and restrict the amount/quality of gifts given to players (they may already do this, I'm not sure).
They still have property rights. It is up to them to not sell them so they can remain amatures and continue playing in college. Once they decide they are done playing in college, then they are free to sell the things they were given (check out MVictors for a list of the many ebay items former Michigan players put up for sale).
Their right to sell is limited while they play, but that is part of a contract they sign that allows them to possibly get that free stuff in the first place.
It's not that unusual to have "property rights" restricted in some ways. Lots of people buy houses in neighborhoods where the home-owners association requires all sorts of things that many of us find ridiculous. So those of us who don't like those rules choose not to buy a house there. Those who do are supposed to live by the rules, even if they seem stupid.
so typical. It's too easy.
But thousands of students throughout the country live on nothing during college and make it work. A tattoo is hardly a necessity...
Sounds like a Mom defending her son's poor decision(s) and nothing more.
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As a teacher, this does not surprise me a bit. Plenty of parents will never EVER let their kids accept responsibility for mistakes because their perfect little cherubs couldn't possibly have screwed up. Nothing special to analyze here except a popular social phenomenon; move along people.
The rent is TOO DAMN HIGH.
Been +1ed enough, meaning many of you have no idea what he's talking about. Here's a PSA:
Indeed, the rent is TOO DAMN HIGH!
What a joke. The Soviet Union took on the largest burden of resisting and defeating the German army. I doubt you think highly of Soviet ethics in the 30's and 40's. Britain fought the war based on a strategy of maximizing continued control of their vassal states, while defeating the Germans and Japanese. Hardly exemplary ethics. In any event WWII and Tatgate have very little in common.
I don't think you'd have much problem with the Russian people. Sense of entitlement is NOT what you've had in Soviet (or really any other) Russia. And they only did the heavy leg work in Germany while letting us do far more of the work in the Pacific. (And only after Hitler double crossed them). So it may not have been a great analogy, but yeah, I'd take the English sense of entitlement with a willingness and understanding of sacrifice than today's "gimme" mentality.
As the great Lord Farquaad said (paraphrased), "many of you will die, but that is a risk I am willing to take".
We all have to live with rules and policies we may think are silly or wrong. I'm sure we all have examples. We either choose to follow the rules and polices or we don't. There are consequences if we don't and we get caught.
Blaming others or companies or institutions may let us rationalize it but it is not a successful life strategy. Take personal responsibility, learn, move on, and they will all be better off in the long run. Blaming others is my number one societal pet peeve and it isn't limited to college football players and their Moms.
Her talking about that was just hilarious to me. I went to Ohio state, athletes are walking around everywhere, not once did I see one get stopped let alone some sort of mob. The players wear helmets Mrs. Posey. I would bet money that 7/10 students wouldn't recognize Posey on the street.
.....I blame the booster who bought Pryor his Vette
The problem with this whole situation is the sense of entitlement endemic in American culture. If you think you're a gift to football and your university then maybe you start selling your swag. If you're grateful for the opportunity to play and get a free education while you're at it then this isn't even something you'd consider.
And who the heck sells their "sportsman" award. this = entitlement.
I'm sure it wasn't TP who sold the award, probably only his scholarship chauffeur who swiped it from the glove compartment.
I've lived in Columbus most of my life. The radio hasn't been as incredible as it has been in the last 36 hours here since I can remember I started listening to the FAN!!
The barber shop patrons this morning insisted the penalties will be reduced. My feelings have gone from elation over Big Ten MVP #16 and TP insisting he would dominate in the spread, to uber joy knowing that whether by draft or sanction, the cocky kid from PA that spurned us will not win a championship at OSU (didn't value the B10 championships or wins over Michigan) and clearly could have struck a Heisman pose and cashed a fat first-round signing bonus while at the same time sparing us the misery of Threet/Sheridan and my man Lil Tate Tate
Keep Rich Rod
.......Posey's momma plays the 'victim' card? What a surprise!
I was a victim of my lead foot and an officer with the nerve to use a radar gun. Guess I should appeal since I didn't know the rules.
It's only fair. Posey threw his mom under the bus first.
She probably thinks that rape is the victim's fault and not the rapist's.