http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6499662
ESPN article investigating memoribilia-laden dealerships and their "deals" to players and their families.... I'm beginning to think some of the local media/fans are just wanting to just "get it all out there now" and take their lumps in one fell swoop... so they can move on.
LOL I was just about to post
This should not be downvoted,
This should not be downvoted, the article linked is much more informative than Rittenberg's 4 paragraph job.
I miss King of Belch.
A crooked used car salesman?!
Kniffin, who said he is not an OSU fan, has had financial problems since 2006. He now owes more than $130,000 to the IRS, and his $570,000 Delaware County home is in foreclosure.
Kniffin, who said he is not an OSU fan
"Kniffin, who said he is not an OSU fan..."
Suuuuuuure
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If this is true
it warrants the death sentence.
Goodbye Ohio
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Hello Heisman
Hello Heisman
Abort, Retry, Fail?
I hate to count my chickens
I hate to count my chickens before they hatch, but if all these investigations - Tatgate, used cars, etc. - turn out to be true and bite OSU in the butt, I am really going to enjoy talking smack to all the OSU fans who have rubbed my nose in their success over the past few years.
I encounter a few avowed OSU fans on a daily basis, and they have been noticeably quit about OSU in the past couple months.
It's bad on it own but
At least six major athletic programs have faced NCAA sanctions since 1990 because their athletes had free use of cars or received suspect deals on purchases: Arizona State (2005), Illinois (1990 and 2005), Minnesota (2000), Louisville (1996), Michigan State (1996), and Southern California (2010).
Could be worse in conjunction w tattoos
I mean really though, it was only 50 car sales
Not like it was 150 or something. 50 is only half of a roster any more.
Does this sound right...
"Mauk estimated that 40 to 50 Buckeyes bought cars from his dealership in the past five or six years ."
How many of us and most kids in general had money to buy a car during college years?
I don't know...
Let's say
I don't know...
Let's say 45 kids bought cars over 6 years. That's only about 7 or 8 car purchases a year when a typical football roster is probably 100-110 players.
I wouldn't doubt that something shady is going on (why would they all go to those two dealerships?), but that car purchase rate doesn't seem to be astronomical.
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Plus the kids are on a full ride. That frees up a lot of the parents money if nothing else.
I assume OSU sends kids to certain dealerships in order to keep track of the transactions (or they're the ones who'll give them free cars, depending on what side you want to argue)
8 used car purchases a year
8 used car purchases a year seems like alot to me. Especially considering theres probably a descent amount of kids that go to school with a car. 45 kids out of what, maybe 200 kids in 6 years that didn't have a car seems like a ton.
Say it was just Pryor
or just one player who got a benefit. Would that mean OSU might have to forfeit all the games in which that player dressed for the game?
The standard used is played,
The standard used is played, not dressed. It's also vacating wins, not forfeitting them.
But using the Reggie Bush standard, yes.
Go Blue!
Further down....
"The cars
Further down....
"The cars involved sold for the average price of $11,600. Most vehicles were Chevrolets, Buicks or Dodges manufactured between 2000 and 2007. More than half had less than 50,000 miles when sold by Kniffin. Six cars had more than 100,000 miles."
They're not exactly buying Escalades and Navigators.
How do you know?
Im not trying to get on a high horse, but the article states "most" of the cars, and we obviously have to disregard the listed prices.
I live in Columbus, and I know for a fact that before Terrelle Pryor's freshman season, he hit another student athlete's car while driving in the athletes-only gym parking lot. I do not know whose car he was driving, but they covered it up mighty fast, and no one heard about it. I hope that incident finally sees the light of day. At the time, many ohio state players were disgusted by the incident.
They're not getting away this time. 40-50 cases is far too large a sample size. They messed up somewhere, and they'll find it, if they haven't already.
"Discretion is the better part of valor." - Falstaff
I absolutely must know if
I absolutely must know if your avatar is of a replica or authentic helmet that is available for purchase somewhere on the internet...
If it is, could you post the link where you found it?
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A Chrysler 300 is still
A Chrysler 300 is still pretty pimpin'. I'm betting "Dodge" is not "Dodge Neon."
Still, we all know how this plays out in the end. OSU "investigates," says, welp, nothing to see here, and the NCAA goes "okey dokey then, thanks for checking that out for us."
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You forgot the part where OSU
You forgot the part where OSU fans say, "Well, every school does this so it's no big deal."
Go Blue! Always!
Burn on my Dodge Neon. It's
Burn on my Dodge Neon. It's purple too... I'm about to slip into a serious shame spiral.
Doug Worthington's DUI, he was driving an Escalade
I would LOVE to know if it came from this dealership.
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Does anyone know what's going
Does anyone know what's going on with the "key player" being kicked off the football team???? It was tweeted late last night and the thread's gone! Any info?
The thread about it was
The thread about it was deleted, so I would advise not discussing it.
Doug Archie, associate
Doug Archie, associate athletic director and head of compliance at OSU.
"I have nothing to believe a violation has occurred," he said.
Well open your fucking eyes, The "Hear no evil, Speak No Evil, See no Evil" act is over with. It must have been nice being a compliance guy during the JT era and collecting a check for doing nothing.
Fuck it, Dude, let's go bowling.
Hush!
He was afraid JT would fire him - the truth came out in the press conference already
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More accurately
OSU does not believe that any violations ever exist - except those 300 odd some that they self report so they can then say see "we are honest."
- Dutch
Undisclosed State
"Kniffin, 42, who is now selling cars in an undisclosed state, vividly recalled details of the cars sold."
The state of complete and total humilation, now that it's out.....
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the part i like best:
The salesman who connects all the dots, Aaron Kniffen, says he's not an Ohio State fan..........
What's that i hear in Columbus? Crickets chirping?
"Discretion is the better part of valor." - Falstaff
Every time I see Ohio State athletes
I think of this
Go Buck(s) Eyes
GMAT score =800 = Defensive POTY
Back in the mid-80s, comp
Back in the mid-80s, comp tickets were only allowed to go to family members. I find it hard to believe the NCAA changed their disposition on such an easy target of abuse.
Kniffin was on the comp ticket list for the National Championship game? No other game throughout the entier year would be under greater scrutiny than the national championship game......and it should be the easiest game to monitor since there's no other game going on and the NCAA has all their resources available for just that ONE game.
Without knowing anything more than what was in that Dispatch article, this appears to be even more serious than free tattoos.
I love the smell of smoldering sweater vest in the morning.
Aside from the accounting
Aside from the accounting improprieties, who does this actually hurt? Gosh I'm so sick of hearing about NCAA compliance violations! Some of these college kids are bigger stars than their pro counterparts. Somebody wanted to give someone else a discount on a car they were selling because they like the team they played football for. I'm not defending OSU but Christ the NCAA boggles my mind. Here's to hoping the O'Bannon lawsuit really sticks it to the NCAA.
If it's only accounting
If it's only accounting improprieties by the dealership or salesman, than I agree with you...this is much ado about nothing. HOWEVER, to have SO MANY people from the same "organizaion/family" come to that particular salesmen (who just coincidentally has accounting improprieties swirling around his deals) is cause for concern.
Obviously he was a successful salesman because he bought a half-million dollar home*. That's no small feat in the business**. But 60 players/family members bought cars from this guy and came from as far away as Maryland? I don't care how good the dealership is at finding cars at great prices, to come from 2 states away is rare, to say the least.
* I don't know this guy's financial situation or whether he's married, or inherited the house, or whatever.
** I know this from years of being in the car business.
hmmmm...
"the NCAA boggles my mind"
Srsly? A player's mom drives from god damned Maryland to Columbus to buy a car ...apparently a real nice discount. Improper benefits, tats, cover ups etc. have certainly helped the vest in recruiting for the last decade. I'm not even referencing the whole Clarett thing; he sure looks vindicated for his statements thesedays.
I wouldn't be so irritable with NCAA compliance; maybe they should pay more attention to Columbus.
If the haters don't hate you then you're doing something wrong. - David Cone
Either the dealership or Gibson is lying
"One car, a 2-year-old Chrysler 300 with fewer than 20,000 miles, was titled to then-sophomore defensive player Thaddeus Gibson in 2009. Documents show the purchase price as $0. Gibson said he did not know why the title showed a zero for the purchase price and said he was still paying for the car."
Of course, given the nature of what's going on down in Columbus, my money is on both of them lying.
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The movie's already half
The movie's already half over. Sit tight, though.....you'll find out what's going on in a bit.
This Movie
man, M. Night Shyamalan is getting anxious, usually the twists come towards the end but we're only half way through and already we found out the kindly old man who never did anything wrong in his life is a sleazy cheater...
I can't wait to see what other twists there are, the anticipation is killing me!
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dead people.
Typical movie: Act 1: Cat
Typical movie:
Act 1: Cat climbs up tree
Act 2: Throw stuff at cat
Act 3: Cat comes down
Shyamalan movie:
Act 1: Cat climbs up tree
Act 2: Throw stuff at cat
Act 3: Cat comes down
Act 3.1: The cat was a dog
Act 4: Hollywood throws you the keys to The Last Airbender
Act 4.1: Fummblllllllle!
A two year old Chrysler 300
A two year old Chrysler 300 for $0? I don't see the problem. j/k
Is it really that hard to see that they were claiming a lower purchase price on the title to save money on taxes? This could be huge.
Yes I got him a gift. He had a kidney stone. You piss a rock through your pecker, you deserve more than just a pat on the fucking back.
hmmmmm...
This is well played analysis on your part; I had not considered the simple tax implications. It's always the most obvious of outcomes that one overlooks.
If the haters don't hate you then you're doing something wrong. - David Cone
The players could be in some
The players could be in some fairly serious trouble if they paid no sales taxes on the transaction. You would think that not paying sales tax would be noticed when registering the car but who knows maybe there's a whole 'nother list of improper benefits that will come out of this... speculation is so much fun.
the good thing here is that
the good thing here is that there are either crimes or infractions.
1) Either the dealership commited crimes in under pricing the final sale(s) of cars listed on the title [one would assume for tax reasons].
or
2) or the players committed infractions by using their status to get deals not available to the public. This wouldn't be a crime by the dealership but would be an NCAA infraction.
So basically what I'm seeing is that a proper investigation will pit the dealership against the players, which gives us the best chance for the dirt to fly. Thank you; I'm eagerly awaiting the results.
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buddhafrog sums it up well
That was a good post. Short and to the point. And ohhhh sooooo sweeeet!
hmmmmmm...
you seem to imply that a proper investigation will occur. After the past decade or so I have less confidence in one Doug Archie and his staff.
If the haters don't hate you then you're doing something wrong. - David Cone
OSU Compliance Staff
Looking the other way since 2001.
Fuck it, Dude, let's go bowling.
I've bought cars
And never given the dealer anything but the purchase price. Dayton Daily News article added that the players buying the cars weren't allowed to give the tickets. Why the he'll would another player not buying the car give them tix? Very shady.
Maybe my old age is clouding
Maybe my old age is clouding my memory, but I recall (back in the day in A2) that players would often get financing at local dealerships based on their future NFL (or NBA) potential. I believe they were all market value deals, so that would keep it relatively kosher. Hard to say at this point if that's what was going on at OSU (but that $0 vehicle doesn't look good for them).
We all get financing
Based upon potential to pay. Concern is the deals the players and dealers are getting.
LOL I was just about to post this:
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2011/05/07/osu-t...
2722 days since the school in ohio started cheating to beat Michigan.
Sweet deals in CBus! 0 down, 0$ a month on a late model Chrysler 300 on approved scholarship verification!