OSU - So does this plus 375 secondary violations show lack of inst. control?
I mean there is the lying and the cover ups and the cars. Isn't there a point where the 375 secondary violations, though each alone innocuous, can be accumulated to look at the big picture with what appears to be a major violation? It seems to me it should.
Philosophical question: if you meant to do it, do you actually lack control?
I hate to be that guy, but we currently have 9 threads on the front page talking about this topic. It is an awesome topic, indeed, but do we really need another thread just to ask this question? I think about 10 people (including me) have posted this as a comment in a few of the other threads.
Not being a dick, just constructively suggesting that when starting a new topic, unless you are providing actual new info (summarizing media interviews, articles, etc.) you might want to consider whethet this can be posted in a comment to one of the existing topics.
B10 tourney hasn't started yet, Spring game is still on the distant horizon, its 3 days till hockey beats BGSU and as far as I know softball didn't extend their superb winning streak last night. Pretty sure 9 threads is fine.
Especially considering that Brian now has 2 stories on the front page about OSU. This is a big deal. What should we talk about, the scoreboards again?
Eh, that stuff doesn't really bother me. I believe OSU just reports a lot violations that other programs may just sweep under the rug if they aren't a big deal. I think the part in Tressel's contract about reporting all violations has kind of lead to that.
Look, all programs have minor violations. But 375 in under 10 years seems high. Maybe what you are saying would be correct in a vacuum, but we are not in a vacuum - these 375 violations need to be looked at in conjunction with the T. Smith improper benefits, M. Clarett improper benefits, M. Clarett alleged academic fraud, Youngstown State QB (forgot name) improper benefits and subsequent sanctions, T. Pryor alleged improper benefits, TAT 5 issues, Pittman's statement that the whole selling memorabelia thing has gone on for years and now JT's cover-up. At some point, the sheer volume of issues piles up so high that you need to take a microscope to the program and, in my opinion, to the individual going back to his prior job, to see what is really going on.
Michigan had great success in BBall with the Fab 5. But, we didn't play by the rules, giving us a massive unfair advantage over the schools that we beat. The NCAA took action, wiping out our wins and issuing stern penalties. Why should this be any different? If it comes to light that over the past 7-8 years, OSU (or, let's take the university out of is, and just say JT) has been bestowing improper benefits, covering up violations and generally not playing by the rules, hence allowing them to attract and keep eligible great talent that otherwise might not come or remain eligible, then they are not playing by the rules, and this, in part, explains their dominance since JT arrived.
I never looked to compare this to the Fab5, I was looking at Tenn B-ball (8 games followed by whatever the NCAA adds). IF the NCAA goes the way of the Fab5, I would love to walk out my door on that day and look towards Columbus and see THAT mushroom cloud.
Mmmm... radiation burns... Just like sunburn, except with more schedenfreude.
Here's a George W. Bush quote for ya Tress: "The smoking gun will take the form of a mushroom cloud."
report the inconsequential violations to give the misimpression you are clean and shiny, and that makes them less likely to come sniffing around and finding the major violations that you cover up.
If the ncaa doesn't drop the hammer on OSU this time I don't think it will ever happen. As much as I wanted Les Miles its probably a good thing we didn't get him with the rumors out there about him.
Tressel trying to keep Tat-gate quite, by itself, is lack of institutional control.
He said osu is the best college in the nation
I would be curious to see the history of Tressels emails. Willing to bet he's covered up other issues in the past.
There's plenty of institutional control there. The administration knows exactly what they're doing. "Commit all the secondary violations you need to get the players you want, but make sure to write them all down so we can play them off as very very minor and say we're trying to be as upfront as possible."
that OSU does not disclose the names of the violators so that repeat offenders can continue to play for the program in spite of 5 or six violations. And how many of those violations were downgraded to secondary by the program? We'll never know.
I was under the impression that most of the violations reported were things like "coach X text messaged a recruit the day after the dead period had started." I don't think it's the players that are committing the violations on most occasions.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:33 PM ^
Player X unintentionally accepted improper benefits from an unnamed source. Player X was suspended for 2 games and has since paid for the improper benefit.
Or... Player Y was determined to be academically ineligible for blank game but participated. Player Y will be suspended for the remainder of the season or until academically cleared.
Etc.
You are probably correct that the majority of the self-reports are coach related violations, but the student-athlete related violations are the ones that are the most controversial because according to FERPA (Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act), programs do not have to release the name of the student-athlete in question. This loophole allows repeat offenders to remain anonymous, therefore high-caliber players whom have numerous offenses can remain on a team in spite of the NCAA's stance on repeat offenders.
I think Tressel knowing via e-mails and not doing anything is more a show of LOIC than the secondary violations. While OSU's numbers sound bad, my guess is that they are not THAT much worse than other big-time programs; they just tend to report them while other ignore them.
If this exact same thing happened to Michigan and the president of the university stood in front of the press and uttered the words "Fire him??? I hope he doesn't fire me!", I would call for his resignation as an alum.
That little bit of comment completely destroyed any shred of honor or integrity and expose what OSU is - a football school first, academics second. But then again, when you didn't have much of that to begin with, it is not too hard to let it go.