i find this extremely interesting
OSU receives Notice of Allegations from NCAA
April 25th, 2011 at 12:41 PM | 
I really think they'll be
I really think they'll be
April 25th, 2011 at 12:55 PM |
It will be pretty surreal if it does happen
It will be pretty surreal if it does happen
OSU fans are generally a bunch of fickle second-guessers who assume that any season that doesn't end in a national champsionship is one in which the coach messed up. Within that context, though, Tressel has built up a ton of political capital. Only the reincarnation of Woody Hayes could be more popular.
Even though logic tells me it could well happen, my jaw will drop a little if I ever see OSU fire Tressel.
It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra
April 25th, 2011 at 12:59 PM |
They have some crazy ass
They have some crazy ass
They have some crazy ass fans, yes. I do agree it's both logical and seems unlikely; it's a weird situation.
The NCAA has the final say though, and while it doesn't exactly inspire confidence, at least it's not the big OSU donors/a president who makes jokes about being fired by an employee calling the shots anymore.
"We bring you to Michigan to take care of Michigan; your job is to protect that block M."
-Carol Hutchins
April 25th, 2011 at 2:17 PM |
So the NCAA has the power to
So the NCAA has the power to
So the NCAA has the power to can jt or force the school to do what is right.
Greetings from Bolivia.
"It's special how the real true people hang together. And if you don't support the program you're not a true Michigan guy. It's that simple." - Gary Moeller
April 25th, 2011 at 2:23 PM |
The NCAA can issue a
The NCAA can issue a
The NCAA can issue a "show-cause" penalty. This means that the school needs to a) fire Tressel or b) appear before the Committee on Infractions and show a cause to keep employing him. Basically they would need to make the case that he really isn't all that bad.
Nobody has ever gone through the appeal process, and even Tressel would probably have the dignity to resign before it got to that point. So yes, effectively the NCAA can end Tressel's (or any coach's) career.
Edited to add that this is the standard punishment for a 10.1 violation, the one the NCAA charged Tressel with today, and the one he admitted at the initial press conference.
"We bring you to Michigan to take care of Michigan; your job is to protect that block M."
-Carol Hutchins
April 25th, 2011 at 2:50 PM |
Thanks for the
Thanks for the
Thanks for the clarification. Basically if jt doesn't get fired there is no justice in this world.
Greetings from Bolivia.
"It's special how the real true people hang together. And if you don't support the program you're not a true Michigan guy. It's that simple." - Gary Moeller
April 25th, 2011 at 12:28 PM |
I hope he stays
I hope he stays
Because this is the progression:
1. revealed as a Liar
2. media, fans, opponents, and his players have lost respect for him (inevitable)
3. game losses come next
4. TSIO finds itself in the position of having surrendered its integrity for less than a NC-caliber team - that's long, long term devastation for the university.
They'll rally around each other as team... for a while. This type of thing cuts to the core - when you don't respect your leader, it's all over in team sports. When the losses come, this thing implodes.
But they're going to broom him.
April 25th, 2011 at 12:14 PM |
Explanation
Explanation
No justice in this world.
April 25th, 2011 at 11:31 AM |
FINALLY..
FINALLY..
Jim Tressel is a LIAR and CHEAT and always has been going back to his days at Youngstown State. His "ACT" of being ethical is ONE BIG FRAUD and SCAM..Hes found ways out of many NCAA jams by parsing words ala Bill Clinton. Its about time the NCAA did something about him .
OSUs anything to win culture is clear and evident to anyone with half a brain.. The OSU Pres and AD are big liars and cheats as well..I hope they all fall on their sword until they do OSU will be nothing more than Liars and cheaters in most peoples minds..
April 25th, 2011 at 12:19 PM |
and given that Brother Bill and Lil Jim come from opposite sides
and given that Brother Bill and Lil Jim come from opposite sides
of the political spectrum, that may be a more sweeping indictment of corruption in American life than the OP understood that he was making.
April 25th, 2011 at 11:33 AM |
Interesting (IMO) read from
Interesting (IMO) read from
Interesting (IMO) read from Deadspin (I know...), "Jim Tressel is the Perfect Coach"
http://deadspin.com/#!5795313/jim-tressel-is-the-perfect-coach
Hi. I'm Greg. Go Blue.
April 25th, 2011 at 7:10 PM |
I agree with you, in fact i have been quite impressed over the past few months with how much better their writing has become. The I know parenthetical was more due to how they handled our NCAA investigation at the start than a comment on the blog in general.
Hi. I'm Greg. Go Blue.
April 25th, 2011 at 11:59 AM |
I like how
I like how
They say that "only small time programs self report violations" yet OSU leads (or is close to the top) in self reporting violations.
I'm just going to assume it was a satiric article.
He only got the job because he's a Michigan Man not because he was the best. Is that what Michigan is all about? You do the best, you get the job. This MM meme is crap.
April 25th, 2011 at 11:51 AM |
I have to ask.... How in the
I have to ask.... How in the
I have to ask.... How in the HELL is the coach put on blast by the NCAA without a Failure to Monitor and/or Failure of Institutional Control? This makes no sense and further blemishes the ever growing black eye that is the NCAA.
I'm going to treat you all the same. Like dogs. - Bo
April 25th, 2011 at 11:59 AM |
Good bye Jimmy
Good bye Jimmy
Good bye Jimmy
April 25th, 2011 at 12:30 PM |
think that OSU may start
think that OSU may start
to see some decomits? I'm curious.
April 25th, 2011 at 4:18 PM |
Nah. Too much uncertainty for
Nah. Too much uncertainty for
Nah. Too much uncertainty for now and such a powerhouse program, sadly.
April 25th, 2011 at 12:37 PM |
If there is any coach at any
If there is any coach at any
If there is any coach at any program in the country that could survive a 10.1 Violation without termination, it is clearly Jim Tressel.
I put up a tough front, but deep down I just want to be held.
April 25th, 2011 at 1:04 PM |
Haven't I read/heard
Haven't I read/heard
Haven't I read/heard somewhere that roaches will be one of the few things to survive a disaster that might hit the planet? 'nough said!
April 25th, 2011 at 12:45 PM |
As much as I want the NCAA to go SMU on them,
As much as I want the NCAA to go SMU on them,
How much would it hurt THE game, if OSU's program is destroyed. Our recent decline has already taken a little glimmer off of the prominence of it. It is still the best rivalry in sports, but how much better would it be if games like 2006 could happen more often?
I don't know exactly what I want the NCAA to come down on them with. Thoughts?
April 25th, 2011 at 12:55 PM |
Cake or death?
Cake or death?
Cake or death?
not just "douchey" MGoBlog user, but now TRUSTED MGoBlog user
April 25th, 2011 at 2:33 PM |
If that was an Eddie Izzard reference
If that was an Eddie Izzard reference
Well played, sir.
"If life is the road, then Ohio is simply a place to stop for gas." -- Scott Burgess, Detroit News, 9/16/2010
April 25th, 2011 at 3:43 PM |
Well
Well
What else could it have been?
Nope, you said death...
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April 25th, 2011 at 12:47 PM |
There must have been a
There must have been a
There must have been a failure to monitor or lack of institutional control...It seems that if a coach can completely ignore the Compliance Department, then that's precisely a lack of control. The lack of charges against the overall program would leave the impression that Michigan's 20-minutes of strecthing were worse than the OSU ordeal. Crazy.
April 25th, 2011 at 4:22 PM |
i mean
i mean
I hate tsio as much as the next guy, but what do you expect their compliace department to do?
"Hey Jim, have you seen anything suspcious lately?"
"Golly, no I haven't. How was your easter?"
"Are you suuuuuure?"
"Yes. How was your easter?"
"Are you sure you're sure?"
"How much do you like having a job in the state of Ohio?"
*thinking either DERP or "it makes me want to kill myself"* "Have a good one Jim!"
April 25th, 2011 at 5:22 PM |
The coach is (of course) a
The coach is (of course) a
The coach is (of course) a major part of the program. He, without doubt, failed to foster an atmosphere of compliance. He monitored...but he was monitoring bad behavior. What should the Compliance Dept do? They could have sorted out a better response before the liar-liar press conference. That farce made it clear that Compliance had no role at OSU.
April 25th, 2011 at 12:47 PM |
did anyone else read the actual notice?
did anyone else read the actual notice?
Reading the things the NCAA is asking tsio to provide is very fun. recommend it. Also, it seems like they are going to make tsio spill their guts on all of the dealings with Sarniak and Cicero which should be interesting. I think they could be in some deep shit here
Phil Brabbs FTW
April 25th, 2011 at 1:06 PM |
So, I went in search of Schadenfreude...
So, I went in search of Schadenfreude...
And instead I found the Black Knight yelling "it's just a flesh wound:"
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2011/04/ohio-state-presented-with-notice-of-allegations#comments
April 25th, 2011 at 2:38 PM |
Bucknuts
Bucknuts
Meltdown threads are starting over at Bucknuts. They finally are realizing how serious this is.
"I didn't do it. Nobody saw me do it. You can't prove anything." B. Simpson
April 25th, 2011 at 1:19 PM |
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April 25th, 2011 at 4:03 PM |
I absolutely love that
I absolutely love that
I absolutely love that gif...so appropriate for the next 5-6 mos. I just wish there was some way that we could make the red leather blue, and the black trim maize. That would be sweet.
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April 26th, 2011 at 11:55 AM |
If there's one person who
If there's one person who
If there's one person who could do it, it would be Chunkums...
-Formerly known as Richrodiculous
"Not tricks, Michael, illusions. A trick is something a whore does for money...Or cocaine!"
April 25th, 2011 at 1:22 PM |
FWIW
FWIW
The rumor floating around down here (Columbus) is that someone within the Athletic Department not named Gordon Gee or Gene Smith knew about the allegations. This would go a long way towards the NCAA revising their notice of allegations to include lack of institutional control.
This rumor comes from the same group that told me about the "Tat 5" four days before it came out. Some of their details were off the first time around, so as the title suggests, take this FWIW.
ps- LOVE being down here while this is going on (maybe the only time I can enjoy being a UM fan down here in recent years)
From the middle of everyone's favorite state... GO BLUE!
April 25th, 2011 at 1:26 PM |
Seen on EDSBS:
Seen on EDSBS:
April 25th, 2011 at 1:33 PM |
tOSU: "Mr. Rodriguez, would
tOSU: "Mr. Rodriguez, would
tOSU: "Mr. Rodriguez, would care to intervew for our recently opened coaching position?"
RichRod: "Hmm.. Good program, beat UM every year"
tOUS: "Thats right"
RichRod: "So I can embarass UM of every year"
tOSU: "It is encouraged"
RichRod: "So what you are saying is that I can have my cake and eat it too?"
tOSU: "Yes"
RichRod: "Can I be merciless in my revenge?"
tOSU: "Depends how far you go, blood letting is not allowed, however whitewashes can be the norm"
RichRod: "Oh hell yah."
April 25th, 2011 at 3:20 PM |
right...
right...
And the Cowboys are bringing Matt Millen in for an interview...
April 25th, 2011 at 4:35 PM |
If OSU wants to hire a guy
If OSU wants to hire a guy
If OSU wants to hire a guy that lost 75% of his Big Ten games and displayed little to no understanding of the defensive side of the ball, I'm all for it.
April 25th, 2011 at 1:57 PM |
Robert Smith's comments
Robert Smith's comments
Robert Smith, former OSU running back and current ESPN analyst, was just on SportsCenter. He was extremely negative on the situation, effectively saying he cannot see any way JT can survive this. I have to believe he has many contacts within the AD's office and would have not said something so definitive on his own. These are the most negative comments I have heard from anyone closely associated with their program.
"I didn't do it. Nobody saw me do it. You can't prove anything." B. Simpson
April 25th, 2011 at 2:02 PM |
As far as I know
As far as I know
Robert Smith is not very close with OSU. He had fairly public dispute with them a number of years back about his perception that he was steered away from taking hard classes while he was on the football team...I'm not arguing that his prediction is wrong.
It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra
April 25th, 2011 at 2:13 PM |
Chris Spielman
Chris Spielman
... is on OTL right now and was just as tough or even tougher on Tressel. It is possible Gene Smith is coordinating some of this.
"I didn't do it. Nobody saw me do it. You can't prove anything." B. Simpson
April 25th, 2011 at 2:41 PM |
it's possible
it's possible
It very much seems, though, like Gene Smith is loyal to Tressel. Also, Spielman has shown himself to be a pretty independent voice for a long time. Robert Smith, as I said, seemingly left the reservation a long time ago.
It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra
April 25th, 2011 at 3:17 PM |
Smith loyal to Tressel?
Smith loyal to Tressel?
Smith threw Tressel under the bus himself last week. Besides, it's not a question of loyalty at this point. It's a question of what's best for the program. JT created this mess and it's Gene Smith's job to clean it up.
FWIW, I think it is highly likely that by the time this is all over, Gene Smith's head will roll too. Regardless of his lack of direct involvement, he will be blamed for the mess because it happened on his watch and for his poor handling of the situation, starting with that awful first press conference.
"I didn't do it. Nobody saw me do it. You can't prove anything." B. Simpson
April 25th, 2011 at 3:17 PM |
last week
last week
I think Gene Smith was trying to explain why their PR had been so bad. He definitely covered his own backside to some extent with what he said about Tressel. Generally, though, he seems to know that OSU's bread is buttered by Tressel's consistent winning...It's my impression, and nothing more, that OSU as an institution doesn't perceive its interests as being very much divergent from Tressel's. I only see them firing him when the NCAA pries him from their cold, dead hands.
It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra
April 25th, 2011 at 4:11 PM |
Herbie speaks
Herbie speaks
"I think it would be very difficult moving forward, I believe, with Jim Tressel."
Kirk Herbstreit on CFL today, so add him to the list of high profile former players who think Tressel is a dead man walking.
"I didn't do it. Nobody saw me do it. You can't prove anything." B. Simpson
April 25th, 2011 at 5:10 PM |
Herbie's been going after
Herbie's been going after
Tressel since the first year Tressel was here, so I don't know that he's really that relevant. Herbie decided a while ago that his career would be helped by playing the anti-OSU OSU alum. IIRC, back in 2003/2004, he said that he'd never advise a player to go to OSU because they'd have no chance of an NFL career as long as Tressel was there. Fun fact: a neighbor of his in Upper Arlington says that Herbie didn't leave because of fans. Herbie left because Mrs. Herbie found out about Herbie's girlfriend. He'd also been feuding with various levels of government over taxes.
April 25th, 2011 at 6:15 PM |
I forgot
I forgot
Every former OSU player who does not tow the company line is a fake buckeye (and, apparently in Herbie' s case, has his personal reputation trashed). Thanks for the reminder.
"I didn't do it. Nobody saw me do it. You can't prove anything." B. Simpson
April 25th, 2011 at 6:17 PM |
The IRS sued
The IRS sued
Herbstreit a few years ago, and I believe Upper Arlington and the state did too. He then leaves Ohio and moves to a state with no income tax. I agree that Tressel should go. I just don't think that Herbstreit is the victim he claims to be.
April 25th, 2011 at 3:49 PM |
Firing Tressel
Firing Tressel
You make a good point: unless the NCAA all but forces tOSU's hand with a show cause, I think Tressel survives.
"If life is the road, then Ohio is simply a place to stop for gas." -- Scott Burgess, Detroit News, 9/16/2010
April 26th, 2011 at 11:05 AM |
Tressel will resign.
Tressel will resign.
Tressel will resign. The only question is when. My prediction is sometime between now and July 5 (the date OSU's written response to the allegations is due).
In their written response, OSU and Tressel will be forced to admit that JT lied and knowingly violated bylaw 10.1. That will be devastating for JT and a major tipping point for the decision makers at OSU. Tressel will be convinced to leave on his own terms with some dignity (and plenty of money), purportedly "for the good of the program", rather than risk being forced out by the NCAA via a one year suspension (see Dez Bryant) or, even more humiliating, a "show cause" order. Fickel will be named HC because Urban Meyer will turn down the job (for now).
"I didn't do it. Nobody saw me do it. You can't prove anything." B. Simpson
April 26th, 2011 at 11:15 AM |
Why?
Why?
He's already admitted on national television that he violated 10.1. What difference does it make if it's in a letter or not?
"We bring you to Michigan to take care of Michigan; your job is to protect that block M."
-Carol Hutchins
I really think they'll be forced to. Only one coach in history has been found guilty of a 10.1 violation and not received a show-cause. That was Herron, who was out of coaching by the time the NCAA ruled. Unless Tress retires, he's gone, IMO.
"We bring you to Michigan to take care of Michigan; your job is to protect that block M."
-Carol Hutchins