So the NCAA has the power to can jt or force the school to do what is right.
fair point that
So the NCAA has the power to can jt or force the school to do what is right.
The NCAA can issue a "show-cause" penalty. This means that the school needs to a) fire Tressel or b) appear before the Committee on Infractions and show a cause to keep employing him. Basically they would need to make the case that he really isn't all that bad.
Nobody has ever gone through the appeal process, and even Tressel would probably have the dignity to resign before it got to that point. So yes, effectively the NCAA can end Tressel's (or any coach's) career.
Edited to add that this is the standard punishment for a 10.1 violation, the one the NCAA charged Tressel with today, and the one he admitted at the initial press conference.
Thanks for the clarification. Basically if jt doesn't get fired there is no justice in this world.
Because this is the progression:
1. revealed as a Liar
2. media, fans, opponents, and his players have lost respect for him (inevitable)
3. game losses come next
4. TSIO finds itself in the position of having surrendered its integrity for less than a NC-caliber team - that's long, long term devastation for the university.
They'll rally around each other as team... for a while. This type of thing cuts to the core - when you don't respect your leader, it's all over in team sports. When the losses come, this thing implodes.
But they're going to broom him.
No justice in this world.
Jim Tressel is a LIAR and CHEAT and always has been going back to his days at Youngstown State. His "ACT" of being ethical is ONE BIG FRAUD and SCAM..Hes found ways out of many NCAA jams by parsing words ala Bill Clinton. Its about time the NCAA did something about him .
OSUs anything to win culture is clear and evident to anyone with half a brain.. The OSU Pres and AD are big liars and cheats as well..I hope they all fall on their sword until they do OSU will be nothing more than Liars and cheaters in most peoples minds..
of the political spectrum, that may be a more sweeping indictment of corruption in American life than the OP understood that he was making.
Interesting (IMO) read from Deadspin (I know...), "Jim Tressel is the Perfect Coach"
I agree with you, in fact i have been quite impressed over the past few months with how much better their writing has become. The I know parenthetical was more due to how they handled our NCAA investigation at the start than a comment on the blog in general.
I have to ask.... How in the HELL is the coach put on blast by the NCAA without a Failure to Monitor and/or Failure of Institutional Control? This makes no sense and further blemishes the ever growing black eye that is the NCAA.
Good bye Jimmy
to see some decomits? I'm curious.
Nah. Too much uncertainty for now and such a powerhouse program, sadly.
If there is any coach at any program in the country that could survive a 10.1 Violation without termination, it is clearly Jim Tressel.
Haven't I read/heard somewhere that roaches will be one of the few things to survive a disaster that might hit the planet? 'nough said!
How much would it hurt THE game, if OSU's program is destroyed. Our recent decline has already taken a little glimmer off of the prominence of it. It is still the best rivalry in sports, but how much better would it be if games like 2006 could happen more often?
I don't know exactly what I want the NCAA to come down on them with. Thoughts?
Cake or death?
Well played, sir.
What else could it have been?
Nope, you said death...
I hate tsio as much as the next guy, but what do you expect their compliace department to do?
"Hey Jim, have you seen anything suspcious lately?"
"Golly, no I haven't. How was your easter?"
"Are you suuuuuure?"
"Yes. How was your easter?"
"Are you sure you're sure?"
"How much do you like having a job in the state of Ohio?"
*thinking either DERP or "it makes me want to kill myself"* "Have a good one Jim!"
Reading the things the NCAA is asking tsio to provide is very fun. recommend it. Also, it seems like they are going to make tsio spill their guts on all of the dealings with Sarniak and Cicero which should be interesting. I think they could be in some deep shit here
And instead I found the Black Knight yelling "it's just a flesh wound:"
Meltdown threads are starting over at Bucknuts. They finally are realizing how serious this is.
I absolutely love that gif...so appropriate for the next 5-6 mos. I just wish there was some way that we could make the red leather blue, and the black trim maize. That would be sweet.
If there's one person who could do it, it would be Chunkums...
The rumor floating around down here (Columbus) is that someone within the Athletic Department not named Gordon Gee or Gene Smith knew about the allegations. This would go a long way towards the NCAA revising their notice of allegations to include lack of institutional control.
This rumor comes from the same group that told me about the "Tat 5" four days before it came out. Some of their details were off the first time around, so as the title suggests, take this FWIW.
ps- LOVE being down here while this is going on (maybe the only time I can enjoy being a UM fan down here in recent years)
tOSU: "Mr. Rodriguez, would care to intervew for our recently opened coaching position?"
RichRod: "Hmm.. Good program, beat UM every year"
tOUS: "Thats right"
RichRod: "So I can embarass UM of every year"
tOSU: "It is encouraged"
RichRod: "So what you are saying is that I can have my cake and eat it too?"
RichRod: "Can I be merciless in my revenge?"
tOSU: "Depends how far you go, blood letting is not allowed, however whitewashes can be the norm"
RichRod: "Oh hell yah."
If OSU wants to hire a guy that lost 75% of his Big Ten games and displayed little to no understanding of the defensive side of the ball, I'm all for it.
Robert Smith, former OSU running back and current ESPN analyst, was just on SportsCenter. He was extremely negative on the situation, effectively saying he cannot see any way JT can survive this. I have to believe he has many contacts within the AD's office and would have not said something so definitive on his own. These are the most negative comments I have heard from anyone closely associated with their program.
Robert Smith is not very close with OSU. He had fairly public dispute with them a number of years back about his perception that he was steered away from taking hard classes while he was on the football team...I'm not arguing that his prediction is wrong.
... is on OTL right now and was just as tough or even tougher on Tressel. It is possible Gene Smith is coordinating some of this.
It very much seems, though, like Gene Smith is loyal to Tressel. Also, Spielman has shown himself to be a pretty independent voice for a long time. Robert Smith, as I said, seemingly left the reservation a long time ago.
Smith threw Tressel under the bus himself last week. Besides, it's not a question of loyalty at this point. It's a question of what's best for the program. JT created this mess and it's Gene Smith's job to clean it up.
FWIW, I think it is highly likely that by the time this is all over, Gene Smith's head will roll too. Regardless of his lack of direct involvement, he will be blamed for the mess because it happened on his watch and for his poor handling of the situation, starting with that awful first press conference.
I think Gene Smith was trying to explain why their PR had been so bad. He definitely covered his own backside to some extent with what he said about Tressel. Generally, though, he seems to know that OSU's bread is buttered by Tressel's consistent winning...It's my impression, and nothing more, that OSU as an institution doesn't perceive its interests as being very much divergent from Tressel's. I only see them firing him when the NCAA pries him from their cold, dead hands.
"I think it would be very difficult moving forward, I believe, with Jim Tressel."
Kirk Herbstreit on CFL today, so add him to the list of high profile former players who think Tressel is a dead man walking.
Tressel since the first year Tressel was here, so I don't know that he's really that relevant. Herbie decided a while ago that his career would be helped by playing the anti-OSU OSU alum. IIRC, back in 2003/2004, he said that he'd never advise a player to go to OSU because they'd have no chance of an NFL career as long as Tressel was there. Fun fact: a neighbor of his in Upper Arlington says that Herbie didn't leave because of fans. Herbie left because Mrs. Herbie found out about Herbie's girlfriend. He'd also been feuding with various levels of government over taxes.
Every former OSU player who does not tow the company line is a fake buckeye (and, apparently in Herbie' s case, has his personal reputation trashed). Thanks for the reminder.
Herbstreit a few years ago, and I believe Upper Arlington and the state did too. He then leaves Ohio and moves to a state with no income tax. I agree that Tressel should go. I just don't think that Herbstreit is the victim he claims to be.
You make a good point: unless the NCAA all but forces tOSU's hand with a show cause, I think Tressel survives.
Tressel will resign. The only question is when. My prediction is sometime between now and July 5 (the date OSU's written response to the allegations is due).
In their written response, OSU and Tressel will be forced to admit that JT lied and knowingly violated bylaw 10.1. That will be devastating for JT and a major tipping point for the decision makers at OSU. Tressel will be convinced to leave on his own terms with some dignity (and plenty of money), purportedly "for the good of the program", rather than risk being forced out by the NCAA via a one year suspension (see Dez Bryant) or, even more humiliating, a "show cause" order. Fickel will be named HC because Urban Meyer will turn down the job (for now).
He's already admitted on national television that he violated 10.1. What difference does it make if it's in a letter or not?
He barely has been able to get the words "I'm sorry" out of his mouth and it took him multiple attempts just to do that.
I will be on pins and needles until I hear what food the OSU AD gets delivered to the Infractions Committee.
it would be different if jim tweasel wasn't a cheater with a long history but what has he won without cheating? which year did he actually have a good team that wasn't either caught for paying players or more accurately overlooked for that knowledge. if he survives and quite honestly I hope he does, it will be more than interesting to see him coach with no choice but to either run a clean program or run the program and his career into the ground. he no longer has the benefit of the doubt and has been branded a liar so any little hiccup even in the slightest from here out is going to be huge. anything they get at this point is substantially less than they deserve.
Let's be clear: while this conduct is against the rules, it's not cheating in the same way that, say, Spartan Bob stopped the clock against us to give MSU one last chance. Terrelle Pryor's free tattoos probably didn't give OSU any competitive advantages. Tressel is a good coach. Frankly, I hope he's fired because I think it will be hard for OSU to find an equally good replacement.
the issue isn't Pryor's tattoo's. It's that Tressell knew he might have an ineligible player and didn't report it to anyone....and that did give OSU a competitive advantage.
And isn't the coach supposed to be the responsible adult who follows the rules? It's one thing for a knuckle-headed 19 year-old to get caught up in free tattoos. It's another for a coach from a very prominent program to go to great lengths to hide it. That says a lot more about his character than any "classiness" he may exude.