The 13 page document indicates that the NCAA might actually consider OSU a repeat violator because it was still on probation stemming from previous violations within the football and men's basketball programs. Very bad news.
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/sports/stories/2011/04/25/0425-ohio...
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i'm indifferent.
Oh how I hate Ohio State, but right now I think the B1G needs ying AND yang.
"If the highest aim of a captain were to preserve his ship, he would keep it in port forever." - St. Thomas Aquinas
No, no , no.
The big ten needs clean programs. The conference will be fine. TOSU needs to be punished , this has gotten out of control.
All in for some manball.
I hear you
I hear what you're saying, and I agree a death penalty would be bad for Michigan in the long run, but I'd like to at least see them get officially acknowledged as cheaters and have them take a couple steps backs while Hoke builds his empire.
"A flute with no holes is not a flute. A donut with no hole is a danish"
This isn't even close to a death penalty case
Without the "lack of instutitional control charge," OSU is nowhere near that possibility.
It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra
Exactly, the only time a
Exactly, the only time a death penalty can be applied is repeated lack of institutional control.
Go Blue!
Happy happy in my neck of the woods
Question: Does anyone know/care about the expanding fireball currently engulfing OSU football in Bloomington/surrounding area?
Abort, Retry, Fail?
It's everywhere dude.
I've literally talked about this case with people from PA to CA and TX to IL.
In no way could you get those states to agree on the recent healthcare bill, favorite music, or best type of food. Everyone finds Tressel to be a scumbag.
Go Blue!
This is true. I'm in
This is true. I'm in Claifornia and people who give a rats ass about college football are giving me high fives because they know I'm a Michigan fan.
Greetings from Bolivia.
"It's special how the real true people hang together. And if you don't support the program you're not a true Michigan guy. It's that simple." - Gary Moeller
There's a select few programs that this applies...
Auburn and OSU are the current favorites.
FSU and Miami of the 80's to 90's would be more.
Everyone roots for cheaters to get caught, but I think OSU's is a bit deeper then just the cheating. I think everyone hates the fan-base too.
If a program is clean (or at least perceived to be clean) and winning, it doesn't have the same aura.
"It's what you learn after you know it all that counts." - John Wooden
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Abort, Retry, Fail?
Fantasy 101: Kingdoms are
Fantasy 101: Kingdoms are good. Empires are evil.
Unless Hoke's pointing is some new variant of the Force Choke, I think we're well on the way to the Kingdom of Hokemania.
Lived the Dream. 2008-2012
my personal preference is
my personal preference is kingdom hearts, with kingdom of gondor a close second
Abort, Retry, Fail?
I agree. No one wins. What
I agree. No one wins. What are they going to do, tell us we beat Ohio last fall? I don't want that victory. I saw the game.
This is a huge stain upon the B1G. Takes a bit out of our sails when we talk about the SEC and their unethical practices.
The good news is that it is them and not us.
We wouldn't get the win.
We wouldn't get the win. It's basically like that game didn't happen. And getting caught means punishment must be handed down. The greater good of cleaning up college football/NCAA getting their balls back means a win.
If you need drugs to be a good writer, you're not a good writer.
-Rod Serling
Ordinarily
Ordinarily I don't disagree. But that self-righteous SOB Tressel couldn't be a more deserving candidate for a beat down.
The best situation for us is for this drag out. We all remember the damage the long drawn out process of our basketball investigation did.
I'll not gloat on this one.
Meh - you know what, I'll not gloat on this one. For two seasons we were under the NCAA cloud because we skirted the regs, and we were found to have cheated - including having one of our coaches lie to the NCAA. Tressel stood behind us.
Sure what we did was like 60 in a 55, but when you get down to it, so was selling some gold pants and a ring that could have been interpreted to be the players own belongings.
I'd guess when he first found out, Tressel treated this like the outwardly minor thing it is. Yes he should have self reported to OSU compliance. We don't really know if he talked to the players or disciplined them. From what we have read, maybe he let the players know he knew by contacting their "mentors" without really saying he knew or officially reporting it. (Granted, the loaner car is more troubling.)
Anyway, my take: OSU now will have to bend over and take their medicine. Personally, they should vacate the games last season since Tress knew and did nothing about the violations before the season.
What the NCAA does to Tressel is more open for debate. He apparently lied to them, and his confidentiality statement is now shown to be BS since he forwarded the emails to "mentors". (If he was worried about confidentiality, then even talking with said mentors over the phone and not forward the case specifics would give the appearance that he was concerned about confidentiality at the time.) He may be hosed. We'll see I guess.
One thing we can all agree on: what a piece of work Terrelle has turned out to be. I so happy we got Denard instead.
Tressell stood behind us
Tressell stood behind us because the charges were bullshit. Plus, we fired the person found guilty of lying to the NCAA. On the other hand, Tressell hasn't been fired yet, lied to the NCAA numerous times, and paying players and using ineligible players to win football games doesn't happen at all schools. The two situations aren't anything alike
Eh, sort of agree, but ...
Personally, I view what Pryor et al did as minor BS as well. Though the amounts involved to border on not so minor.
The big difference being Tressel lied to the NCAA investigators, not a QC staffer (or was he an assistant coach), and Tressel knew about it pre-season, which if reported, most likely would have wound up with suspensions during last season. (Also, to be fair, we didn't ask the guy to find employment elsewhere until after the Notice of Allegations came out.)
My point though was more: we have been found guilty ourselves, and therefore should take the high road rather than casting stones. And though Jimbob Tressel appears to be in big trouble, I'll not gloat over it because he did stand behind us in our hour of shame.
more healthy--I'd say--
if we flush the sewage, distinguish ourselves from the SEC. Also (if you really care about health) that some other teams get a chance to vie for titles.
I also
consider this excellent news.
ALL ABOARD THE A-TRAIN!!!!!
" ~ Herm "
I consider this the BEST
I consider this the BEST non-directly-Michigan-related news.
Wait what?
"Ohio State,
Wait what?
"Ohio State, however, was not cited for "failure to monitor" or "failure of institutional control" violations, which would likely lead to the harshest of penalties. Such penalties are typically imposed when a university's compliance program is weak."
Looks like this has all the makings of the NCAA looking the sweatervest in the eye and telling him to fall on his sword.
This blows my mind. Of all
This blows my mind. Of all the violations that they could be found guilty of, these two would seem to be the most obvious. The NCAA shouldn't give OSU and Tressell the opportunity to "fall on his sword." Punish the violation indiscriminately.
You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is never get involved in a land war in Asia - but only slightly less well-known is this: Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line!
That's what this is
Tressel falls on the sword and is fired. Wins will be vacated, penalties assessed. But OSU's name is left relatively intact - Tressel's is ruined.
But I'm still confused about a few things: TSIO received a letter from the feds on 12/7 notifying them of the investigation? and that letter was what ultimately led to the 1/23 investigation that found the Cicero e-mails?
The information OSU received on 12/7
That led to OSU self-reporting the players' violations, which it did prior to the Sugar Bowl.
It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra
Lucky...
NCAA Compliance Officials are just lucky that Tressel hasn't fired them yet...
Florida Wolverines have dreadlocks...
That comment when it was
That comment when it was initially made completely blew my mind. I wonder if Tressel felt like a POS cause he knew of more skeletons in his closet, or just as smug as ever.
If you need drugs to be a good writer, you're not a good writer.
-Rod Serling
It's possible
Tressel inadvertently saved Ohio from those death penalty charges by NOT alerting his compliance office and his superiors. The question to me is would the compliance office have alerted the NCAA if properly notified? probably yes, but then again maybe not, possibly to avoid the repeat offender lable.
They may however get the repeat offender lable anyway.
Dispatch reported,
" The NCAA warned that it could treat Ohio State as a repeat offender stemming from the violations involving former quarterback Troy Smith, who took $500 from a booster and former men's basketball coach Jim O'Brien, who gave $6,000 to a recruit.
That finding is the most damning and potentially most damaging because repeat offenders face post-season bans, the entire coaching staff could be suspended and the school could lose scholarships, according to NCAA rules."
"Runnnn!!! get to da choppa"
No, it would have been better
No, it would have been better for him to have come clean, assuming that OSU would have self-reported the violations, which it almost certainly would have done. OSU self-reports more violations than any school in the country. There is no reason to believe that they would have swept this under the rug. As is so often the case, it's the coverup that has them in trouble right now. If you turn yourself in, the NCAA generally does not punish you that severely.
naive?
Cmon man, you think that was inadvertant? The man danced around talking to anyone so long as they weren't a person who could get in trouble if this came to light!
He's a Liar
""It was reported that Jim Tressel, head football coach, failed to deport himself in accordance with the honesty and integrity normally associated with the conduct and administration of intercollegiate athletics and violated ethical-conduct legislation," the 13-page NCAA document says."
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It's
It's so simple, but probably the perfect reaction to the entire situation.
It's...
“What the mind can conceive, the mind can achieve and those who stay will be champions.” - Bo
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Unfortunately Ohio's response
Unfortunately Ohio's response is going to be "Can't Touch This!"
I see a rather hard slap on the wrist with very little effect on the football program. NCAA wiffs on these investigations every time - and with no allegations of "institutional lack of control, etc" I don't see anything more than a couple schollies and more probation.
Class of '97: 4 Years -- 4 Four-loss seasons
Maybe I just have a case of
Maybe I just have a case of the Monday's*, but something tells me this is going to be the case.
*insert obligatory Office Space picture
*If you insist
I do believe you'd get your ass kicked saying something like that.
Edit: You said picture, not comment. Reading Comprehension Fail.
Your friendly neighborhood contrarian.
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Wow...
All of that "flair" is quite impressive...
Florida Wolverines have dreadlocks...
I hope
that is their response. The longer they take the "can't tough this" attitude, the worse it will be for them.
The best thing for them that they could do right now is to try to grovel. I'm hoping that they stand defiant!!
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Happy Schadenfreude to all!!!
Except this part makes me sad, be tougher NCAA!!!
"Ohio State, however, was not cited for "failure to monitor" or "failure of institutional control" violations, which would likely lead to the harshest of penalties. Such penalties are typically imposed when a university's compliance program is weak."
Gee
Every time I read anything related to this I hear Gee in the back of my mind saying "I just hope he doesn't dismiss me" In a whiny ferret voice. Man that guy is an embarrassment. If MSC ever said anything like that, I'd honestly be embarrassed.
"A flute with no holes is not a flute. A donut with no hole is a danish"
And you will never hear that
And you will never hear that from MSC. Michigan is first and foremost an elite educational institution, not the other way around, which seems to be the way Ohio sees things.
I'm pretty sure Bo could have
I'm pretty sure Bo could have deposed the President, jailed the Regents, declared maritial law and had the full support of the campus population. He never would have because he was much too classy, but he could have. As an example during his tenure as the AD the revenue stream was kind of shakey but no one really spoke out against him because who at Michigan would ever speak out against Bo?
Gee is tool though.
Oh no, anything but marital
Oh no, anything but marital law!
"The trouble with quotes on the internet, is that it is often difficult to discern whether or not they are genuine" --Abraham Lincoln
Because TSIO would never
Because TSIO would never bring Martial Law into things but rather Marital Law is used. Gee and Tressel Marriage is a sweet sweet thing! *Vomits*
So does this mean the NCAA
So does this mean the NCAA will be making their ruling soon?
If you read the article, it
If you read the article, it said OSU will meet in Aug to refute the charges. And if you extrapolate based on our hearing, that means the decision should come out sometime during the season.
I'd consider this very good news!