names, dates and places.
GS: Yes sir, JT!
names, dates and places.
GS: Yes sir, JT!
I would laugh, but they have pretty good NCAA sanctions counsel now who saw this proposal and would have told them to their face if it was a really stupid idea. :(
Counterpoint- "I hope he doesn't fire me!"/ Two game suspension and a fine equalling 7% of income.
That's less than the amount JT tithes to his church every year!
In all seriousness: I've never been prouder to wear Michigan gear around Columbus. It sure is great to be a Michigan Wolverine.
The same counsel that thought the two game suspension plus fine for Tressel was sufficient punishment? I don't believe the NCAA has alleged any new offenses since then.
OSU has consistently followed a policy of minimum action. Maybe it's a good approach. We'll see. I expect it to work out if the NCAA doesn't charge any further violations and to backfire if they do.
"The university also acknowledges that it sought the resignation of Tressel, who departed on May 30."
Yet earlier this year...
"In the immediate aftermath of Jim Tressel‘s stunningly jarring decision to step down as head coach at Ohio State, it was reported that The Vest was “encouraged” to resign for the good of the football program and the university.
In what’s described as his first sit-down interview since the resignation, OSU president E. Gordon Gee once again maintained that simply wasn’t the case, that the decision was Tressel’s and Tressel’s alone."
They embarrassed the NCAA with that Sugar Bowl and made them look like fools. Volunteering to vacate the 2010 season is simply an acknowledgement of that fact and is not going to be nearly enough of a punishment.
THIS IS FUCKING RICH
What if I did that to myself when I got in trouble - no punishment for the future, but only past punishment:
"Honey, I know you just caught me sexting my ex-gfs, so I'll punish myself. Instead of you denying me sex for the next year, I'll no longer take credit for any of the sex we've had for the last year."
That's the equivalent to how OSU punished themselves.
Or another analogy:
When I robbed that bank last year it was wrong. I'm going to give all of the money back and keep a really close eye on my behavior for the next couple of years.
Ah... my friend, you must still be unwed.
For us married men, both of those are inherently true. And forget about the sexting.
I'm wed and with child. I wrote that post from 2007.
Haha, yes I suppose my word choice was awkward. I'm not with child, I have a child, who I did not give birth to, but merely contributed to the cause.
Great, looks like we beat Ohio State last year, after all.
Don't you mean 6?
... means they still have never beaten an SEC team
This is fantastic I think. If they came close to what the NCAA was thinking, they'd probably get a break. I can't imagine the NCAA gives them any slack now. Hopefully it's buckeye nation that's being delusional and not us.
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is that this actually is pretty close to what the NCAA was thinking.
Whatever their mindset (maybe trying to preserve a good story for recruits, maybe denial, maybe something else) it seems that this won't end well for OSU. I wish they had been even sillier, and simply offered to vacate the Sugar Bowl win.
As far as some of the outrage in the comments, we don't get mad at fish for swimming, so why should we get mad at OSU for being OSU?
Hahahahah this is sooo comical
Tressell came clean from day one. But the dealership, tatgate, and the whole entire cover up will end up killing the OSU
The only thing more atrocious is that there are commentors on Eleven Warriors (the level-headed OSU blog) who are complaining this is too much.
Well they better get a bowl ban before this is all said and Dunn.
I would say that this seems like a joke, that it seems like it makes Ohio look even worse, but that would just be my feelings, man. I need hard data to decide if this is bad for Ohio. Hold all comments until we have the hard numbers from which to base 'real' arguments.
OSU self-imposed sanctions < USC sanctions
OSU violations >= USC violations
Therefore, OSU self-imposed sanctions < deserved OSU sanctions
Thank you, I now have a framework from which to build a valid opinion of what happened. I had an opinion before, but I could not trust it without logical scaffolding on which to hang it.
Just clueless/arrogant or lawyer advice? Either way ridiculous.
That shit won't fly.
Actually I think with the NCAA not having the "updated" allegations, this would seem like a light, but fairly decent self imposed punishment. HOWEVA, if the NCAA finds the other allegations to be true, they will bring the hammer down. I'm assuming once it's all said and done that OSU will: Vacate 2010 season, 3-5 Scholly loss per year for 3 years, and 2 year bowl ban. Very similar to USC's sanctions.
So OSU's strategy becomes clear: they recognize, correctly, that the NCAA will never reduce a school's self-imposed punishment. It always adds a little more on. So you may as well go ultra-light on the self-imposed stuff and hope that the tacked-on punishment isn't that bad. If you fall on your sword, you really gain nothing. This is not the most morally upright position to take, but it could work out for them.
As the bylawblog said, the self imposing of penalties is pretty worthless. You're basically guessing at what the NCAA will hand down and trying to get "time served" between your response and the hearing date.
I'm sure OSU and counsel belive it's in the ball park, but you certainly don't want to go overboard on penalties. The NCAA doesn't usually let you take those back.
but i think he also makes another point that's gone unnoticed. he said that the main reason for self-imposing penalties is to start the clock and then get time served when they're imposed. but osu didn't self-impose any penalties for which that is possible meaning that they won't be able to start serving bowl bans and/or scholly reductions until after the ncaa levels its penalty. that's stupid. if they get a 1 year bowl ban, osu should take it this year when they'll have either a crappy or young qb.
That's what I meant by "time-served". I agree with what you're saying, but with the timing of the hearing, there will still be time for the NCAA to give OSU a post season ban this year.
If things were moved back a few months, then I would see a self imposed post season ban for this year making more sense.
i hope that if they have a 1 year bowl ban it is for the next season, not the coming one. hurts more in recruiting.
But there are two circumstances where it makes sense to self-impose realistic penalties.
The first (largely Michigan's case) is where the infractions are "major" but technical and with a pretty well established set of precedent. In those cases, you can self-impose a little less than what you'd get anyway, and you can hope the NCAA appreciates the good faith effort and doesn't feel the need to tack on the extra sliver it otherwise would have.
The second (which SCREAMS Ohio State here) is where there is probably a lot of other stuff that COULD be penalized that isn't in the Notice of Allegation that could be. For example, you get an LOI for tatgate, but it turns out there were a bunch of other unrelated Pryor-based offenses. You put the hammer to yourself on the issues raised, and pray to Sweet Six Pound Eight Ounce Baby Jesus that the NCAA closes the book before they take a close look behind the curtain.
Just in case that doesn't work:
I imagine the bottom of the letter to the NCAA reads, "PS - /wanking motion."
If they get fewer years of probation than us for a decade of cheating then I give up all hope. The fact that their failure to bomb the ENTIRE compliance department alone warrants 5 years of probation, a 3 year post-season ban, and a loss of 40 scholarships for 4 years. Maybe a little harsh, I know, but FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU OSU and your BS antics.
Their punishment amounts to the loss of a coach that was going to retire in a couple of years and the loss of a player that never materialized into all-world - and 2 YEARS PROBATION! Who cares about a vacated season. What about the 9 seasons prior? FFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU! I now hope the NCAA napalms your athletc department back to the days of intramural cricket.
You're just all emotional, Gary. The NCAA is going to give their penalties based on facts, not emotion. You will be disappointed.
I can't believe the stuff I'm hearing in Ohio today. Common sentiment seems to be they should only vacate the bowl win, if anything at all. I can't believe this.
They should get an even harsher penalty now for being so damn arrogant as to think that's good enough.
PDFs are now online, in case you're stuck in a boring meeting
They think since their athletic program is now a repeat offender for major violations that the NCAA is NOT going to punk them with scholarship losses and a bowl ban? C'mon. Gene "The Tool" Smith must be totally in the ozone after using a ton of airplane glue to try and patch together TSIO's public image while creating a fantasy-land picture of OSU's innocence for the NCAA. What an imbecile. Now, he's telling everyone how great TSIO's compliance department is while at the same time explaining all these new measures they're implementing that any 1/2 brained athletic department anywhere else would have already been doing. Duh. How does this guy keep his job?
If USC and Tennessee are any indication, he won't.
Funny how half of Tressel's response to the allegatons focuses on his charity work and donations, as it that somehow made it all ok.
I mean, if OSU thinks this is sufficient, it suggests to me that the NCAA's punishment might not be as severe as people are thinking it will be.
How sure are we that OSU will get a bowl ban & scholarship reduction?
Or am I just being affected by tsio's delusion?