This list is completely arbitrary and not a genuine analysis of the relative merits of state fossils.
OSU proposal: vacate 2010, but no scholly losses or bowl bans
July 8th, 2011 at 2:04 PM | 
This is a joke.
This is a joke.
July 8th, 2011 at 1:31 PM |
My Translation - JT: Take care of this fine or I'll name . . .
My Translation - JT: Take care of this fine or I'll name . . .
names, dates and places.
GS: Yes sir, JT!
July 8th, 2011 at 12:49 PM |
I would laugh, but they have
I would laugh, but they have
I would laugh, but they have pretty good NCAA sanctions counsel now who saw this proposal and would have told them to their face if it was a really stupid idea. :(
July 8th, 2011 at 12:55 PM |
Counterpoint- "I hope he
Counterpoint- "I hope he
Counterpoint- "I hope he doesn't fire me!"/ Two game suspension and a fine equalling 7% of income.
Go Blue!
July 8th, 2011 at 1:51 PM |
That's less than the amount
That's less than the amount
That's less than the amount JT tithes to his church every year!
/biblical
In all seriousness: I've never been prouder to wear Michigan gear around Columbus. It sure is great to be a Michigan Wolverine.
Abort, Retry, Fail?
July 8th, 2011 at 1:28 PM |
the same counsel
the same counsel
The same counsel that thought the two game suspension plus fine for Tressel was sufficient punishment? I don't believe the NCAA has alleged any new offenses since then.
OSU has consistently followed a policy of minimum action. Maybe it's a good approach. We'll see. I expect it to work out if the NCAA doesn't charge any further violations and to backfire if they do.
Eating is murder.
July 8th, 2011 at 12:51 PM |
Ah. So now they sought his resignation? Really?
Ah. So now they sought his resignation? Really?
"The university also acknowledges that it sought the resignation of Tressel, who departed on May 30."
Yet earlier this year...
"In the immediate aftermath of Jim Tressel‘s stunningly jarring decision to step down as head coach at Ohio State, it was reported that The Vest was “encouraged” to resign for the good of the football program and the university.
In what’s described as his first sit-down interview since the resignation, OSU president E. Gordon Gee once again maintained that simply wasn’t the case, that the decision was Tressel’s and Tressel’s alone."
Liars...
July 8th, 2011 at 12:51 PM |
They embarrassed the NCAA
They embarrassed the NCAA
They embarrassed the NCAA with that Sugar Bowl and made them look like fools. Volunteering to vacate the 2010 season is simply an acknowledgement of that fact and is not going to be nearly enough of a punishment.
July 8th, 2011 at 12:52 PM |
OH THIS
OH THIS
THIS IS FUCKING RICH
Hide ya kids, hide ya wife.
July 8th, 2011 at 12:52 PM |
What if I did that to myself
What if I did that to myself
What if I did that to myself when I got in trouble - no punishment for the future, but only past punishment:
"Honey, I know you just caught me sexting my ex-gfs, so I'll punish myself. Instead of you denying me sex for the next year, I'll no longer take credit for any of the sex we've had for the last year."
That's the equivalent to how OSU punished themselves.
July 8th, 2011 at 12:54 PM |
Or another analogy:
When I
Or another analogy:
When I
Or another analogy:
When I robbed that bank last year it was wrong. I'm going to give all of the money back and keep a really close eye on my behavior for the next couple of years.
July 8th, 2011 at 12:57 PM |
Ah... my friend, you must
Ah... my friend, you must
Ah... my friend, you must still be unwed.
For us married men, both of those are inherently true. And forget about the sexting.
Hail.
July 8th, 2011 at 2:39 PM |
I'm wed and with child. I
I'm wed and with child. I
I'm wed and with child. I wrote that post from 2007.
July 8th, 2011 at 8:01 PM |
Haha, yes I suppose my word
Haha, yes I suppose my word
Haha, yes I suppose my word choice was awkward. I'm not with child, I have a child, who I did not give birth to, but merely contributed to the cause.
July 8th, 2011 at 12:53 PM |
Great, looks like we beat
Great, looks like we beat
Great, looks like we beat Ohio State last year, after all.
"I don't see how having someone piss on my face is going to help me sell Lou Ferrigno's house."
July 8th, 2011 at 2:31 PM |
Don't you mean 6?
Don't you mean 6?
Don't you mean 6?
This might be arrogant, and if it is, it is, but we're Michigan
July 8th, 2011 at 4:24 PM |
Wiping out the Arkansas game...
Wiping out the Arkansas game...
... means they still have never beaten an SEC team
Third generation Michigan alum
July 8th, 2011 at 12:53 PM |
This is fantastic I think.
This is fantastic I think.
This is fantastic I think. If they came close to what the NCAA was thinking, they'd probably get a break. I can't imagine the NCAA gives them any slack now. Hopefully it's buckeye nation that's being delusional and not us.
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-Hail-
July 8th, 2011 at 12:55 PM |
The other possibility
The other possibility
is that this actually is pretty close to what the NCAA was thinking.
There is no time, sir, at which ties do not matter.
July 8th, 2011 at 1:48 PM |
Agreed - This Is The Best Possible Response
Agreed - This Is The Best Possible Response
Whatever their mindset (maybe trying to preserve a good story for recruits, maybe denial, maybe something else) it seems that this won't end well for OSU. I wish they had been even sillier, and simply offered to vacate the Sugar Bowl win.
As far as some of the outrage in the comments, we don't get mad at fish for swimming, so why should we get mad at OSU for being OSU?
- "Of course I care about that stuff. To the point of irrationality. It will always be Michigan first, cancer second." Jim Mandich (RIP)
July 8th, 2011 at 1:52 PM |
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Abort, Retry, Fail?
July 9th, 2011 at 4:16 AM |
Thank you, sir. It just
Thank you, sir. It just
Thank you, sir. It just seemed very fitting.
-Hail-
July 9th, 2011 at 9:36 AM |
No problem MattisonMan
No problem MattisonMan
It does fit the tenor of the times.
Abort, Retry, Fail?
July 8th, 2011 at 12:54 PM |
Hahahahah this is sooo
Hahahahah this is sooo
Hahahahah this is sooo comical
July 8th, 2011 at 12:55 PM |
That may fly if........
That may fly if........
Tressell came clean from day one. But the dealership, tatgate, and the whole entire cover up will end up killing the OSU
"Look up, get up, and don't ever give up"
July 8th, 2011 at 12:55 PM |
Going dowwwwwwwwn in a blaze of glory
Going dowwwwwwwwn in a blaze of glory
July 8th, 2011 at 12:57 PM |
The only thing more atrocious
The only thing more atrocious
The only thing more atrocious is that there are commentors on Eleven Warriors (the level-headed OSU blog) who are complaining this is too much.
Not that I loved Rich Rod less, but that I loved Michigan more.
July 8th, 2011 at 12:57 PM |
Well they better get a bowl
Well they better get a bowl
Well they better get a bowl ban before this is all said and Dunn.
This might be arrogant, and if it is, it is, but we're Michigan
July 8th, 2011 at 12:58 PM |
I would say that this seems
I would say that this seems
I would say that this seems like a joke, that it seems like it makes Ohio look even worse, but that would just be my feelings, man. I need hard data to decide if this is bad for Ohio. Hold all comments until we have the hard numbers from which to base 'real' arguments.
July 8th, 2011 at 3:23 PM |
No numbers, only equations
No numbers, only equations
OSU self-imposed sanctions < USC sanctions
OSU violations >= USC violations
Therefore, OSU self-imposed sanctions < deserved OSU sanctions
Michigan's offensive style requires more players that have greater interactions with the Higgs field.
July 8th, 2011 at 5:27 PM |
Thank you, I now have a
Thank you, I now have a
Thank you, I now have a framework from which to build a valid opinion of what happened. I had an opinion before, but I could not trust it without logical scaffolding on which to hang it.
July 8th, 2011 at 12:58 PM |
Just clueless/arrogant or
Just clueless/arrogant or
Just clueless/arrogant or lawyer advice? Either way ridiculous.
"Quote it. Let them know" - KK
July 8th, 2011 at 12:59 PM |
Sorry, guys...
Sorry, guys...
That shit won't fly. 
July 8th, 2011 at 1:16 PM |
Actually I think with the
Actually I think with the
Actually I think with the NCAA not having the "updated" allegations, this would seem like a light, but fairly decent self imposed punishment. HOWEVA, if the NCAA finds the other allegations to be true, they will bring the hammer down. I'm assuming once it's all said and done that OSU will: Vacate 2010 season, 3-5 Scholly loss per year for 3 years, and 2 year bowl ban. Very similar to USC's sanctions.
HOKE SMASH.
July 8th, 2011 at 12:59 PM |
So OSU's strategy becomes
So OSU's strategy becomes
So OSU's strategy becomes clear: they recognize, correctly, that the NCAA will never reduce a school's self-imposed punishment. It always adds a little more on. So you may as well go ultra-light on the self-imposed stuff and hope that the tacked-on punishment isn't that bad. If you fall on your sword, you really gain nothing. This is not the most morally upright position to take, but it could work out for them.
July 8th, 2011 at 1:03 PM |
As the bylawblog said, the
As the bylawblog said, the
As the bylawblog said, the self imposing of penalties is pretty worthless. You're basically guessing at what the NCAA will hand down and trying to get "time served" between your response and the hearing date.
I'm sure OSU and counsel belive it's in the ball park, but you certainly don't want to go overboard on penalties. The NCAA doesn't usually let you take those back.
July 8th, 2011 at 1:09 PM |
but i think he also makes
but i think he also makes
but i think he also makes another point that's gone unnoticed. he said that the main reason for self-imposing penalties is to start the clock and then get time served when they're imposed. but osu didn't self-impose any penalties for which that is possible meaning that they won't be able to start serving bowl bans and/or scholly reductions until after the ncaa levels its penalty. that's stupid. if they get a 1 year bowl ban, osu should take it this year when they'll have either a crappy or young qb.
July 8th, 2011 at 1:25 PM |
That's what I meant by
That's what I meant by
That's what I meant by "time-served". I agree with what you're saying, but with the timing of the hearing, there will still be time for the NCAA to give OSU a post season ban this year.
If things were moved back a few months, then I would see a self imposed post season ban for this year making more sense.
July 8th, 2011 at 2:07 PM |
i hope that if they have a 1
i hope that if they have a 1
i hope that if they have a 1 year bowl ban it is for the next season, not the coming one. hurts more in recruiting.
July 8th, 2011 at 1:09 PM |
Probably true
Probably true
But there are two circumstances where it makes sense to self-impose realistic penalties.
The first (largely Michigan's case) is where the infractions are "major" but technical and with a pretty well established set of precedent. In those cases, you can self-impose a little less than what you'd get anyway, and you can hope the NCAA appreciates the good faith effort and doesn't feel the need to tack on the extra sliver it otherwise would have.
The second (which SCREAMS Ohio State here) is where there is probably a lot of other stuff that COULD be penalized that isn't in the Notice of Allegation that could be. For example, you get an LOI for tatgate, but it turns out there were a bunch of other unrelated Pryor-based offenses. You put the hammer to yourself on the issues raised, and pray to Sweet Six Pound Eight Ounce Baby Jesus that the NCAA closes the book before they take a close look behind the curtain.
July 8th, 2011 at 1:01 PM |
Where do they get off?
Where do they get off?
July 8th, 2011 at 1:02 PM |
I imagine the bottom of the
I imagine the bottom of the
I imagine the bottom of the letter to the NCAA reads, "PS - /wanking motion."
July 8th, 2011 at 1:04 PM |
Comical
Comical
If they get fewer years of probation than us for a decade of cheating then I give up all hope. The fact that their failure to bomb the ENTIRE compliance department alone warrants 5 years of probation, a 3 year post-season ban, and a loss of 40 scholarships for 4 years. Maybe a little harsh, I know, but FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU OSU and your BS antics.
Their punishment amounts to the loss of a coach that was going to retire in a couple of years and the loss of a player that never materialized into all-world - and 2 YEARS PROBATION! Who cares about a vacated season. What about the 9 seasons prior? FFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU! I now hope the NCAA napalms your athletc department back to the days of intramural cricket.
July 9th, 2011 at 7:24 AM |
You have no idea of the facts of the case
You have no idea of the facts of the case
You're just all emotional, Gary. The NCAA is going to give their penalties based on facts, not emotion. You will be disappointed.
July 8th, 2011 at 1:05 PM |
I can't believe the stuff I'm
I can't believe the stuff I'm
I can't believe the stuff I'm hearing in Ohio today. Common sentiment seems to be they should only vacate the bowl win, if anything at all. I can't believe this.
"That broke a lot of Irish hearts. Now isn't that too bad?" - Bo
July 8th, 2011 at 1:06 PM |
They should get an even
They should get an even
They should get an even harsher penalty now for being so damn arrogant as to think that's good enough.
July 8th, 2011 at 1:06 PM |
PDFs are now online, in case
PDFs are now online, in case
July 8th, 2011 at 1:07 PM |
They must be on some serious hallucinogen in Columbus
They must be on some serious hallucinogen in Columbus
They think since their athletic program is now a repeat offender for major violations that the NCAA is NOT going to punk them with scholarship losses and a bowl ban? C'mon. Gene "The Tool" Smith must be totally in the ozone after using a ton of airplane glue to try and patch together TSIO's public image while creating a fantasy-land picture of OSU's innocence for the NCAA. What an imbecile. Now, he's telling everyone how great TSIO's compliance department is while at the same time explaining all these new measures they're implementing that any 1/2 brained athletic department anywhere else would have already been doing. Duh. How does this guy keep his job?
"You owe it to every man, woman, and child in the State of Michigan to beat the Buckeyes and silence their fans! Now go out there and make it happen!"
- Bo Schembechler (Result: U-M 22 OSU 0)
July 8th, 2011 at 1:08 PM |
If USC and Tennessee are any
If USC and Tennessee are any
If USC and Tennessee are any indication, he won't.
Go Blue!
July 8th, 2011 at 1:09 PM |
Funny how half of Tressel's
Funny how half of Tressel's
Funny how half of Tressel's response to the allegatons focuses on his charity work and donations, as it that somehow made it all ok.
I hope to be like dang for large sections of the season.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
They are either very arrogant, or they know the NCAA isn't going to nuke them from orbit. The NCAA has to act. Their credibility... what little they have, is at stake.