January 10th, 2017 at 2:37 PM ^
I've known several people who have gone the WCC-for-2-years-transfer-to-UM thing (one went on to Yale law school!), so why isn't this possible for JUCOs?
January 10th, 2017 at 2:40 PM ^
January 10th, 2017 at 3:11 PM ^
No, it's because there is a scientifically-proven inverse relationship between academic excellence and female attractiveness....
January 10th, 2017 at 4:00 PM ^
Are you talking about the schools . . . or the females?
January 10th, 2017 at 10:10 PM ^
Is to click the link and read the article. Generally provided by the OP on most occasions.
January 10th, 2017 at 4:08 PM ^
There were plenty of attractive women at Michigan back in the 90s.
Of course, I ended up marrying a Florida State alum so maybe my experience is a bad example...
January 10th, 2017 at 2:43 PM ^
That run th football teams from which these kids come from are generally not terribly serious institutions. Furthermore, most of the fb players who go that route are ill equipped for even th advantageous program M has installed for football players.
January 10th, 2017 at 3:34 PM ^
Is removing the 'e' from "the" a new thing the kids do these days to save time?
January 10th, 2017 at 4:53 PM ^
January 10th, 2017 at 2:47 PM ^
It's hard to transfer enough Juco credits in unless you went to one in MI or CA. Admissions is very picky about transfers. We do take a fair number of Jucos in baseball. Football and basketball are different. Those players are almost always at Jucos because of poor academics. They are looking to become NCAA eligible, not taking classes that will transfer to Michigan (or any other similarly ranked university).
If someone went to a Juco with the purpose of transferring to Michigan, they would make sure to take the appropriate classes and it wouldn't be an issue.
January 10th, 2017 at 3:05 PM ^
public universities to accept Michigan's two year schools credits (ie WCC). If the juco is not in Michigan then it's unlikely that the credits would transfer.
I also believe that is a fairly recent change. I was at UM in early 90's and WCC wasn't much of an option because very few of the credits would transfer.
January 10th, 2017 at 3:08 PM ^
It changed shortly after that. When I was in high school I took a summer math course at WCC and Anthony Thomas was in my class, right after he moved up from Louisiana.
January 10th, 2017 at 3:18 PM ^
Some of the classes at WCC are offered as zero credit classes at Michigan, lower level math classes, for example. Unfortunately, those are also the types of classes non-qualifiers are likely to be taking. I took a semester at OCC back in the day and I checked beforehand that all of my credits would transfer. I imagine that's even easier to do now.
California has a very good Juco system and their credits are generally accepted here too. The other places where players go for Juco football, not so much. Too bad we don't have it here in Michigan
January 10th, 2017 at 3:40 PM ^
January 10th, 2017 at 3:56 PM ^
There actually isn't a JUCO football program in the state of Michigan any longer.
January 10th, 2017 at 3:06 PM ^
By design, WCC's credits transfer to UM more than any other two-year college out there. And last I heard, they didn't have a football team. So JUCOs are pretty much not a thing for the Michigan program.
January 11th, 2017 at 11:47 AM ^
I have heard from academic advisors that it is harder at U of M than other schools for classes to transfer (both for credit and as prerequisites). Your average transfer usually has to take a couple of classes over to achieve Junior standing. The athlete has to have Junior standing immediately.
January 10th, 2017 at 2:37 PM ^
would ever want.
January 10th, 2017 at 2:38 PM ^
Shaw disagrees (although your general point is taken).
January 10th, 2017 at 2:40 PM ^
January 10th, 2017 at 2:44 PM ^
I believe it means the team has the option to RS him, as in he didn't use one already. Juco transfers don't have to sit out a year.
January 10th, 2017 at 2:42 PM ^
So he went from an 18 year old 2015 5-star to a 20 year old 2017 4-star.
January 10th, 2017 at 2:45 PM ^
This guy in the #4 JUCO per the composite. The #1 JUCO is also only a 4*.
January 10th, 2017 at 3:28 PM ^
247s methodology with JuCo ranking are extremely weird.
January 10th, 2017 at 3:38 PM ^
1. I doubt 247Sports scout or focuses on JuCo scouting. There are no Rivals/Nike JuCo combines, and I don't think there are a lot of analysts/writers who cover that scene.
2. #1 kind of includes this point. It's possible these JuCo rankings have not been updated yet because they are not focused on it.
3. It's possible 247Sports ranks JuCos lower because they have fewer years of eligibility.
January 10th, 2017 at 3:45 PM ^
January 10th, 2017 at 2:43 PM ^
Don't really see the difference between transferring in like this or coming in like Brad Hawkins and Mitch McGary (prep school). I assume both had academic issues, so it's not like bad H.S. grades vanish when you go to a community college or prep school. Plus, UM accepts non-athlete transfers from community colleges all the time.
January 10th, 2017 at 2:47 PM ^
I think that's what the point about a WCC transfer having gone on to Yale Law was meant to demonstrate?
Michigan football has been extremely reluctant to use this route - perhaps more than any other team in FBS? Austin Panter was the only one in a quarter century now, I believe...
January 10th, 2017 at 3:21 PM ^
Russell Shaw (1996-97) was another.
January 10th, 2017 at 2:52 PM ^
I think prep school is more academically rigorous than JUCO. I could be wrong, though.
I also came across this 247 thread when I Googled the issue. Apparently JUCO counts against eligibility while prep school does not.
http://michigan.247sports.com/Board/59424/Contents/Junior-College-vs-Prep-School-21235726
January 10th, 2017 at 3:16 PM ^
I watched that Netflix show about the Eastern Miss JUCO that a bunch of high profile kids go to. If other JUCOs are that "academically rigorous" then I can see why Michigan doesn't honor many of those credits. Of course they're also super anal about really any courses transferring in, but I can see why they view JUCOs as somewhat dubious when it comes to athletes.
January 10th, 2017 at 3:27 PM ^
Washtenaw Community College is a JuCo - a post-secondary institution where you can get your associate's degree.
A prep school is just a high school. There are certain private boarding schools that really like taking in athletes for whatever reason, but at the end you just get a diploma from there like you would from Pioneer, Huron, wherever.
Going to a JuCo starts your 5-year window of eligibility for athletics, so a guy that's been at one for two years comes to his new school as a junior (or RS sophomore, if he didn't play both years). Going to a prep school preserves all your college eligibility. The downside is that you may have to pay tuition whereas a JuCo may give out a scholarship.
January 10th, 2017 at 2:53 PM ^
Hawkins is coming in as a freshman. He's not asking admissions for college credit for the classes he's taking in prep school It's always easier for athletes to get admitted as freshmen than as transfers, from Jucos or from other 4 year schools.
January 10th, 2017 at 3:12 PM ^
Prep school is an extra year (or however long) of high school. It isn't a substitute for your freshman/sophomore year of college, like a junior college is. It's a way of becoming more qualified to attend college as a freshman.
The problem with JUCO transfers, as I understand it, is that the rules require a player to be making progress toward his degree - you can't be taking all 100-level courses as a junior or senior. But because a lot of community-college credits aren't accepted at Michigan, it's hard for a JUCO to come here and be academically on course (and thus eligible).
January 10th, 2017 at 2:47 PM ^
That guy must really dislike playing school.
January 10th, 2017 at 2:49 PM ^
I doubt this guy even plays. If he does, it means that a bunch of their 5 star commits are busts
January 10th, 2017 at 3:39 PM ^
will be on the list. I could read that guy as a DB* in the first 5 seconds I saw his smug face. Now to be fair, he is 18 years old so he could grow out of it but I doubt that will happen in Columbus.
January 10th, 2017 at 3:39 PM ^
I imagine he was recruited to start immediately. He should be more physically developed and ready to play than any of the 5 Stars.
January 10th, 2017 at 3:46 PM ^
running at full steem. Good for him, he'll fit in well and won't have to play school.
Meyer will have an all-star team, but still can't coach a passing QB and that will be his downfall.
January 10th, 2017 at 5:27 PM ^
JT Barrett put up 2,800 yards and 34 passing TDs on 9 ypa with a 65% completion percentage as a freshman under Meyer and Tom Herman. Feel free to pretend Kevin Wilson can't coax similar stats out of JT this season.
Besides, I just watched two running QBs play for a national title 24 hours ago. If you think that style of football is going away, that's on you.
January 10th, 2017 at 7:10 PM ^
went 36/56 for 420yds, 3 TDs, 0 INTs. I wouldn't lump him in with Jalen Hurts as a "running QB". He's a passing QB who can run.
Hurts went 13/31 for 131, 1/0. That's a running QB who can't throw.
Against that same Clemson D, Barrett went 19/33 for 127yards (a robust 3.8 YPA), 0 TDs, 2 INTs. See above. And not far above.
January 10th, 2017 at 8:15 PM ^
DeShaun Watson also had 21 carries last night, which was double the 10 carries Jalen Hurts had. Watson is a running QB. How can anyone dispute this? He had 1,000 rush yards in 2015 and another 700 this year. He can certainly throw, and well, but to act like he doesn't run is insane. He runs a lot.
The JT v. Clemson line seems wholly irrelevant, seeing as how I referenced JT's abilities under a better OC with a better game plan in 2014. JT's dramatically regressed for two years outside of the Tom Herman coaching bubble. Its perfectly reasonable to be skeptical he can reach that peak again. However, I bet he will get close under Wilson. The ability is still there, but JT hasn't been schemed to succeed for two years.
January 10th, 2017 at 9:46 PM ^
The idea that the only thing seperating Barrett and Watson is a coaching change and the right scheme--which you seem to be implying here--is laughable. Watson can drop a ball into a bucket from 50 yards; Barrett can't hit the broad side of a fucking barn from 5 feet away. Sorry, but Wilson can't fix a basic lack of arm talent.
January 10th, 2017 at 10:13 PM ^
Then explain JT's numbers in 2014? JT may not be as good a college player as DeShaun Watson, and he's definiely not the pro prospect, but look at the numbers.
QB A (12 games): 65% completions, 2,834 yards, 9.0 ypa, 34 pass TDs, 10 interceptions, 938 rush yards, 11 rush TDs
QB B (15 games): 67% completions, 4,593 yards, 7.9 ypa, 41 pass TDs, 17 interceptions, 624 rush yards, 9 rush TDs
Pretty close, huh? In fact, give QB A 3 more games and he probably eclipses everything but passing yards. JT was better than you think. He hasn't been showcased well in two years.
January 11th, 2017 at 12:36 AM ^
January 11th, 2017 at 1:43 AM ^
You think JT Barrett averaged 9 ypa on bubble screens and 5 yard slants? What happened the following two years then when his ypa dropped to 6.7 both times? We just stopped calling bubble screens and quick slants? Man, didn't you watch OSU this year? All we did was run a bunch of swings, and screens and slants. It was horrible.
You do realize JT was only effective in an offense when his OC let him cut it loose to his WRs deep and not in one where he had to throw a bunch of flares and swings and screens, right? You know Jeff Huerman had 17 catches for 200 yards in 2014, right? Of course not.
Again, to compare JT to Watson, JT would have reached 3,500 in a 15 game season. Not as high as Watson's, sure, but in the ballpark and with less attempts and with more yards per attempt because his offense was better at running the ball than Clemson's.
I don't think JT has the pro-potential of Watson or the arm talent. But it's closer than you think, and JT's already proven he can match or surpass DeShaun's best seasons in the right environment. If anything your comment is just an ode to Meyer, who was able to turn two bums off the street with no arm talent into national championship QBs with Heisman pedigrees.
January 11th, 2017 at 11:19 AM ^
January 10th, 2017 at 3:55 PM ^
4 and 5 star DBs? They are old news now, I am sure that Urban will determine they need medicals. OSU is at like 90 something scholarships and still going strong.
I bet a lot of their guys either get "injured" or decide they want to transfer in the next 3 weeks!
January 10th, 2017 at 5:22 PM ^
No doubt. However, your objection to this behavior is interesting considering U-M's trying to sign more than 30 kids this season after signing 28 last season. Michigan will have some tough decisions to make in 2018 and beyond on who keeps getting their scholarships renewed.