It seems that OSU will play in the championship game should they win. MSU could go to Rose Bowl. We are off to Gator.
OSU #2, MSU #9
Auburn is only 25 points behind OSU in the USA Today poll
So apparently it's okay to "back" into a BCS game now per Kork Coupons
So does the Auburn win & Wisconsin loss almost guarantee MSU a Rose Bowl bid regardless of outcome next week???
We did it in 2004.
Stop sounding like a sore loser.
WTF are you talking about?!?!
I'd rather have a Spartan Big Ten Title than an Ohio State National Title (appearance).
What would be especially funny, would be if ohio barely beats sparty, sparty gets denied a BCS bid because they're sparty and Auburn jumps ohio.
This scenario is the one I will root for, yes please.
I am rooting for this.
Yup. Kills me that I have to root for MSU next week.
But root for them you must.
Of course I want them to resume their eternal place in line behind Michigan in the future, but I think they have a legit top ten team this year. I don't have too much of a problem with them going to the Rose Bowl, because I think they'll represent the B1G at least as well as any other school would (at least from a football standpoint, although their general goonishness seems to be down this year as well).
Given the choice between OSU prolonging their winning streak, winning the Big Ten title and appearing in the national championship game, or MSU taking the Big Ten and going to the Rose Bowl, I think the choice it obvious. I hope MSU's defense crushes the Buckeyes.
MSU earned the respect this year ... they upped their defensive game and they came up with a reasonable offense despite all the question marks to start the season. And they did all this with a minimum of chest-thumping trash talk. They just went out and did it.
Auburn will jump them next week if they win. The problem is if OSU gets into the title game and FSU's qb gets suspended. I won't be able to take that.
The winner of Missouri and Auburn will just have played a 11-1 team, just like OSU. So the computer numbers should not change that much. I think it will all come down to how OSU beats MSU. If they dominate the #1 defense in the country, they go. If they sqeak by then it will be very close.
if Auburn wins easily, they would have beaten the #5 team in all the polls a week after upsetting the #1 team. Where as Ohio would have beaten the #9 or #10 depending on the poll. I don't think the BCS will be kind to OSU. I'm conflicted about not wanting them in the National Championship game and making it in and getting spanked. I know if the end up @ #1 after the Bowl it would surely help out the B1G, but I don't think I could cheer for them.
rankings. MSU was 14th. That is before Auburn beats #1 computer average Bama and Mizzou beats #23 computer average TAMU. Michigan St beat a Minnesota team that I believe was not in the top 25 of the avg computer rankings last week.
I would like to see OSU play for the MNC and win.
I'm tired of all the complaining about the B1G.
I get the rooting for the B1G thing, but my head will explode if OSU goes from getting a slap on the wrist for all the cheating they did under Tressel, moonwalk into signing Urban, and win a NC in year two.
All while we've had two clusterfuckery searches and can't seem to ever get all three phases working at the same time.
Excuse me while I go listen to Dashboard Confessional, dye my hair black, paint my nails black, and cut myself just so I can remind myself that I can still feel. Life has to get better, right?
And the players don't have to play school either.
They are an SEC-ethics team in the Big Ten. The last thing I want to see is them rewarded for that.
That would do nothing but harm Michigan.
Unless it's a B1G team like minnesota who never wins anything, I typically root against sparty and ohio in the bowl games. They would never want Michigan to win, so why should I want them to do well?
Fuck everyone else in the B1G. It's all about Michigan.
Catch my drift.
My wife, a Sparty, will root for UM in a bowl game. I, on the other hand, a grad of MSU but a lifelong UM fan, will never root for for Sparty. It's all about UM. Go Blue.
What about all those State fans who cheered for Michigan in the Final Four last year?
/sarcasm (I hope this isn't needed.)
OSU winning the national title only hurts Michigan. It certainly would make recruiting in Ohio more difficult. The only Big Ten teams I'd ever want to see win a national title, besides us, would be in the future West Division - teams we won't go head-to-head with much.
I suspect losing to them 9 out the last 10 years has done that already.
Hell no. That would only hurt Michigan. I will never root for Ohio to win anything. Fuck Ohio!
The B1G won't get respect unless it beats an SEC team. Same goes with the ACC.
The SEC is still the best conference, and I think a one-loss Auburn should get the nod over the Buckeyes, who are the beneficiaries of a weak conference.
Worst OSU fans are the dumbest, most arrogant, PARANOID, individuals in the B1G. Worst MSU fans are just drunks that forget what sport is being played by halftime. If OSU doesn't get into the MNC game or gets jail sexed by FSU, it will be like Christmas to see their whiney fans crying disrespect, calling for the firing of coaches, leaving the B1G conference, etc.
They'll lose to state.
Scary thing is, if MSU wins, and Florida State and Auburn lose, you're looking at potentially MSU in the NC game. I cannot imagine the daily life with a MSU title game appearance.
With that being said, Go Bucks.
Bama, Ok St. and Baylor would all be ahead of MSU. Maybe even Stanford.
Missouri gets no respect. They are 11-1. Their only loss was in the 2nd OT against South Carolina on a field goal that hit the upright and missed.
They have some big wins (last night against Johnny Manziel). If they beat Auburn next week there is zero chance MSU jumps them.
Their offense and defense are both excellent.
They also did not have Franklin for that game.
ahead of MSU.
Bama is in the clubhouse at 11-1. Perhaps the voters would do something to avoid an all SEC title game, so there's a small chance there.
FSU would have to lose to Duke.
Okie St would have to lose to OU or be jumped by MSU (jumping unlikely)
Baylor would have to lose to Texas or be jumped by MSU (jumping would be likely)
I can't see the voters ranking a two-loss team ahead of a one-loss team in the NC conversation, so I think MSU would jump both Stanford and S. Carolina. Further, S. Carolina is not going to be ahead of Bama, so they really aren't a concern for MSU.
Even with a loss, I don't think FSU would drop below MSU. I'm not sure, but I don't think that would happen. That would leave us with a Mizzou vs. FSU BCS game.
They are good at stopping the run and their secondary is more than good enough for Braxton Miller's passes.
I think OSU will manage a 24-14 type game. OSU's offense is really good and will manage to score some points
A bad defense means MSU can possess the ball thus keeping OSU's offense off the field.
It's really going to affect our recruiting. Is there any way Auburn can pass Ohio? Maybe a definitive win by Auburn and a OT win by Ohio in the Big Ten championship game?
going to the championship game would ruin my life.......think of the children.
Besides Sparty will beat them
I don't think I could take OSU in the NCG against an FSU team without their stud QB. Seems like crap always goes their way.
has to be one of the worst B10 season's in my memory (in terms of how well it has played out for our archrivals). Ridiculous. Anyone who "roots" for OSU in either this game or National Championship can cut up their UM gear. That is not something I will ever, ever do.
I would MUCH rather the B10 title be Wiscy-Nebraska with just a shot at the Rose Bowl for the winner then this noise. OSU vs MSU and the winner may go to National Championship? LOL this is horrible. And you just know that the game next weekend is going to feature all kinds of promos / praise for these two shmuck coaches and how awesome they are.
I guess I want MSU to win... then I want them both destroyed in the bowl. And Stanford - MSU in the ROSE BOWL? Wow. What a boring game. Don't get me wrong - the defense will be great. But there is no way that tops 35-36 points total.
If Auburn destroys Missouri they should leap Ohio State. This is going to be extremely political next week, and the media SEC bandwagon will be out in full force.
Maybe a couple of years ago this might happen, everyone outside the south has SEC fatigue and are sick of them Add in the fact that is has becoming very obvious that the SEC is down this year.
Unfortunately they are already pushing for an sec team.
And they have a new ESPN/SEC network to sell.
And if Missouri destroys Auburn they might leap OSU.
Florida St. and Ohio lose and we have to watch the SEC winner play Alabama. The thought already sickens me.
I also can't believe the lack of respect for Missouri in all this. Their only loss was in overtime, to South Carolina, with a true freshman at QB - Franklin didn't dress due to injury. Outside of the loss and last night's 7-point win, they pounded everyone. Don't be surprised to see Missouri win next week.
Auburn needed a miracle two weeks ago to beat a deflated Georgia team.
I'd be more than happy to see that. At least over the thought of a title game with OSU in it.
The idea of them getting to the title game scares me, and them winning it....out nightmare would officially be complete.
Never in my life time did I think I'd ever hear of the possiblity that Duke FOOTBALL might beat Florida State.
What is the world coming to?
The nightmare scenario is upon us. Need the meteor-destroys-the-stadium thing to happen. I can't bring myself to root for either team. Both fanbases are insufferable. We're trapped in the seventh circle of football hell with no way out...
I agree, there's no upside to the Big Ten Championship game.
- MSU wins -> 1st Rose Bowl in 25ish years
- OSU wins -> MNC game appearance and MSU still could make a BCS game
Maybe there's some 0.01% chance that OSU wins like 6-3 and Auburn crushes Mizzou so bad that Auburn jumps OSU, OSU goes to the Rose Bowl, and MSU is left out but that seems unlikely (though the SEC media hypetrain will be gunning for this outcome)
Never underestimate the power of the SEC hypetrain. OSU getting jumped by the SEC champion is not such an unlikely scenario. Auburn winning convincingly and OSU winning meh definately leaves the door open for OSU falling back to 3rd in the polls and having Spartan fans going full billboard over being shut out of the BCS again.
The ultimate doomsday scenario would be if Michigan State upsets Ohio State in the B1G title game and Duke upsets Florida State in the ACC title game. I would be down to throw all of the one-loss coaches into the octagon and have them fight to the death for a spot in the NCG.
And Staee would get some serious love in that case.
No they wouldn't. Bama and Ok St. would be easily ahead of them.
Capacity Spartan Stadium: 75,005
Attendance for the final game for one of the great MSU Teams: 71,418.
Gotta love those fans.
...are we really in a position to knock anyone else's fans?
Anyone that sold out needs to keep the pie hole shut. Especially selling tickets to O$U. I understand travel issues, mainly with students, with the holiday. Next year I travel since The Game is on the road. Compromise..
Really scary thought here, is it possible that: Baylor loses to Texas, Oklahoma state loses to OU, Mizzou loses to Auburn by a shit ton, FSU gets blown out by Duke, and MSU blows out OSU, could MSU conceivably jump to #2 behind Auburn?
Duke blowing out FSU?? Stick to at the very least plausible scenairos. FSU is going to crush Duke. OK St. gets Ok at home.
They wouldn't jump Alabama.
Among 60 voters, the #2 vote for Ohio State was fairly uniform - 47 out of the 60 voters placed them second in the poll. The remaining votes were 3rd (9 votes), 4th (2 votes), 5th (1 vote) and a vote from one Drew Sharp, who placed Ohio State 8th on his ballot.
MSU had a fairly split opinion across ballots - 7 votes for 6th, 6 votes for 7th, 7 votes for 8th, 13 votes for 9th and 15 votes for 10th. Below that, a hodgepodge of votes going as low as 16th.
I think that most people, including recruits, already see OSU as an elite or near-elite program. A trip to the NCG will only confirm what most already believe. It's not good for us, but I don't think it changes much in terms of recruiting against OSU.
However, State beating OSU and winning the conference helps them a ton. Despite what they have done over the last few years, they don't get the national respect. Beating OSU and winning the Ten will move them from the middle of the pack and into the next tier. It will be talked about all over due to the BCS chaos. They will go to Rose Bowl as champs, as opposed to chumps if OSU beats them.
Separately, why does anybody think that FSU/NCAA is going to suspend Winston? I know that the clouds are gathering, but he is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a trial that isn't going to happen soon. In contrast, the NCAA had Cam Newton and Pryor and Co. nailed, but let them play. I just don't see anyway that he misses the NCG.
Why would any Michigan fan root for osu to win a big ten title or national title?
It is FSU's written policy to suspend any player charged with a felony. There will be pressure on the Tallahassee PD to wait until after the NCG to charge Winston if charges are forthcoming at all.
I am not sure how Florida courts function. I don't know where this case is in process. But if a Grand Jury or District Attorney is preparing to move forward with this case, FSU will have to cope with the loss f their star QB.
Well...the only plus side I see is that it looks probably that the streak of SEC titles ends this year, likely with Florida State emerging the victor (unless Duke pulls off the upset of the year)
What makes you think Ohio State's defense will do anything? Is it Shazier's elite ability to fill gaps 5 yards downfield from the L.O.S.?
OSU's defense is excellent against the run. OSU's defense struggles at times against spread teams and teams with mobile QBs who can effectively air it out. This is a bad match-up for MSU.
Iowa and Wisconsin had no problem with Ohio State's defense. And neither of those teams are as productive through the air as MSU has been of late.
I foresee a lot of hits. Do remember that OSU only scored 17 at MSU last year. MSU has become adept at defending the spread under Mork.
At the end of the day, as much as we hate them, they deserve it..they have been undefeated 24 games and they still going strong..
The games they won last year mean absolutely nothing.
That is completely true, but they are undefeated this year. That should mean something regardless of how they got there. Other teams may have compelling cases, but OSU has handled all of their business so far. With a showcase game against an excellent MSU defense in the B1G title game an OSU win should probably put them in the BCS championship.
They had an easy schedule. Other than Wisconsin, did they even beat a ranked team?
Plenty of teams have easy schedules and don't go undefeated. OSU can't control the fact that their marquee out of conference game was against a Cal team that just underwent a coaching transition and is not very good. Likewise they can't control the fact that the B1G has been pretty putrid for a few years. All they can control is how they play on Saturdays and they won all of those games. Are they the 2nd best team in America? Probably not. They are, however, one of the three teams in FBS left undefeated. If Michigan were undefeated and possibly looking at getting left out we'd be livid.
Buffalo, SDSU, and Florida AM who are all terrible. They controlled that for sure.
FAMU was only on the schedule because Vandy backed out at the last minute.
I rarely post here or even use my account, but had to respond to this one. First of all, of course they control their OOC schedule. They scheduled a historically mediocre Cal program and 3 cupcakes. That's fine, I suppose, so long as you dominate your schedule (e.g. Florida State). Notice that no one is arguing that FSU shouldn't be in the MNC despite playing in the ACC.
Ohio State has played a horrendous schedule; their toughest opponent was 9-3 #21 Wisconsin at home and the second toughest was probably Iowa at home. Despite this awful schedule, they've found themselves locked in several dog fights this year. A botched snap from losing to 1-7 Northwestern, a game vs 3-5 Michigan that they virtually tied in regulation but won on a 50/50 two point conversion.
When only two teams are given a chance to play for a MNC, you need to be able to look beyond who has the most "W"s on their schedule. This is why Northern Illinois, Fresno State and teams from weaker conferences don't get NC bids when they're undefeated. If Ohio State dominated their weak schedule, I'd say your comment that "all they can control is how they play on Saturdays" has some validity, but they've actually looked pretty bad more than a few times.
Do you honestly think there aren't 10 or so other teams who would go undefeated with their schedule? Heck, even MSU went undefeated with a similar schedule except for the fact that they played a mediocre ND team on the road, which gives you a sense of how easy it is for any above average team to go undefeated in this conference right now.
Also, nothing they did 5, 10, 25 years ago does either. No offense intended, but they have played the worst 24 game schedule in B10 history. When TCU or Boise played similar schedules in the past ( or N Ill, who won @iowa this year) nobody thought they were deserving. It is only reputation that has OSU there now. This Championship game is really a blessing for whoever wins.
It gives added impetus for Michigan to get better quickly.Nothing like competition to make a team raise it's play.
The ball is in UM's court.
If undefeated B1G Champion Ohio State is skipped over for a 1-loss SEC team, I will never give a shit about any "Championship" outside of the B1G. As much as I hate Ohio (Go Green!), this would be a fucking joke.
That aside, go State. And if that fails, go Seminoles.
If auburn wins the sec championship, they would have beat Alabama, South Carolina, A&M, Arkansas, and Georgia. That's damn impressive.
Ohio only beat MSU (very solid) and whom else? Cal? Penn St?
Beating Arkansas is impressive? They were 0-8 in thle SEC and lost to Rutgers. Yes, that Rutgers.
I suggest you look at Missouri's record if they beat Auburn. Their only loss was in the 2nd OT to 10-2 South Carolina.
I don't care. They played 12 games and won them all. Auburn lost a game by 14. I cannot believe that the stupid fucking BCS is making me defend Ohio. They are undefeated in a major conference, and there is only one other major conference team that is undefeated. That as easy a decision as the BCS has ever had.
Stanford kills Sparty and FSU destroys Ohio. Feel free to smile.
I get that you hate us, etc. But you do realize that if a one loss SEC team jumps an undefeated Ohio St team (assuming we beat Sparty) then that is bad news for the ENTIRE B1G not just tOSU right? It sets a precedent (so far no undefeated AQ team has ever been jumped by one loss team under BCS) that even undefeated B1G teams will be jumped by SEC teams who have lost a game.
Sure we have playoffs next year but the same thinking will apply (could a one loss b1g team ever finish in the top 4 where there are multiple one loss SEC teams?).
Unless you've given up all hopes of ever reaching a national title game I'd be careful not to s*** where I eat.
By the way, heck of a game yesterday. Love to see the rivalry in full swing as it should be. Hope it's always like this.
2 years ago I got into it with the weekend crew on 97.1. They had no idea of the level of conference pride those sec teams exhibit... they pull for each other in their out of conference games. As a conference I hope that both Ohio and State do great in their Bowl games... and that osu gets a shot at the BCS championship.
Exactly. I'm a Michigan fan, but I will pull for any big ten team out-of-conference.
You may be a swell guy, but any civility from your fan base is totally self serving (stick together B1G so Ohio doesn't get by passed in the polls) and because you have owned the last decade in a crappy conference. During the Cooper era, with roles reversed, the Ohio fanbase was highly insane with hatred for UM and I loved it. And the rivalry is NOT in full swing until UM WINS some games and ruins your precious season. Your fanbase is so paraniod, spoiled and delusional, I wish nothing but nothing but bad things for all Ohio sports teams and throw in the Indians, Cadavaliers, Blue Jackets, Browns and Bengals. Go Auburn!!
Do not care. After this year it doesn't matter anyways. 4 team playoff. Fuck Ohio State. I hope Northern Illinois jumps them.
If tOSU to MNC is inevitable then I'd like to see this...
tOSU gets stomped by FSU in Notre Dame-esqe fashion and/or Sparty goes to Rose and becomes prison boyfriend for Stanford. I don't know who is next for Rose if B10 champion goes to MNC game and I am not going to look it up since it does not have any bearing on the team I root for. I am assuming that it's the B10 runner-up.
Personally I would like to see a rematch of MSU vs Bama. haha
So you're also a sparty and a bucknut?
A conference game or two has little impact on National Championship goals. Illinois destroyed UM twice in 1989 during the regular season before we beat them in the semis with Sean Higgins put back at the buzzer. Conference tournaments are just money makers with little meaning. Football is basically ruin your conference opponents season with a win - every man for himself.
I will root for Nebraska no matter who they play.
Sparty is drunk uncle but Ohio is Kim Jung il and Hitler combined. Screw them and that co-ed groping Meyer. I'd also be fine to see the classless Hall and Co. humiliated with their crappy defense and jail sexed by another FLorida team in a MNC game... Sparty's loss to ND is inexplicable but the rest of their body of work and eye test would indicate that they would be the best B1G representative on and off the field... Conference respect will only come when the B1G beats good SEC teams. The Iowa (Missouri), Wisky (S. Carolina/Auburn), Minnesota/Minnesota (Georgia) matchups are very bad and likely blow out losses to SEC teams. I'm sure that Pelini will represent the B1G well too (can't even type that without laughing)... Anyone with eyes can see the SEC, while down a bit this year, is still head and shoulders above the B1G.
Who was that guy who argued so strongly for his #3 ranked team to jump the #2 ranked team in 2006? I think his argument was that the SEC was a stronger conference than the Big Ten. Oh yeah, that was Urban Meyer! A precedent has been set. I guess we will have to live with it.
Michigan wasn't undefeated in 2006. Different situation.
While both teams have had a strong run of late, MSU is much more likely to regress next year with much of the defense turning over and Narduzzi a hot head coaching commodity. Even if they get a one year bump in recruiting (and this year the only remaing battle is Malik McDowell), it won't last once they post a few 5 loss seasons. They are probably destined for the Rose this year regardless of the outcome against OSU, so no harm in them wining the B1G along the way.
OSU replaces 4/5 of their o-line next year, and the depth at o-line is not at usual OSU levels. Their season next year will be a good comparison to ours this year regarding developing the line. That said, they will remain dangerous on the field and in recruiting, so keeping them from the title game is more important for our continued climb.
...But only see Spartans at the drive through, I will have a much better holiday season if MSU wins.